Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

They have a PL-15 or two somewhat intact so they can infer motor burn time and so on from it.
It would take sheer genius but not impossible to be able to power up the electronics as well if not burnt out but they will see components used, try to guess what makes it tick etc and then others will try to look at it.
They can sure. They can share with Americans or Russians too.

But the real data is not what electronics or motor burn time is....but rather the actual kinematics of the missile while flying......PAF would know that better than anyone, assuming they fired PL15s at different altitudes and ranges.....so the entire fly time would totally dependent on altitude.

Motor can burn X seconds....that is easy to know....but how do you figure exactly which altitude and launch speed is giving the best range?

And this is all from the missile they do manage to analyze......the way and speed at which China works, you can already be assured 100% that an improved PL15 is already out there.....so what now? You are flying blind again without actual intelligence? How much buffer is necessary between IAF and PAF? 200km? 250 km? But then you are outranging yourself because you have nothing to hit Air to Air that range yourself and you are receding further back into the safety of your airspace.

I think AA battles are all but done in IAF vs PAF scenario.
 
and what if the seeker is updated again?

And doesn't AESA seeker change frequencies enough that getting accurate fix on incoming threat will always be like one step behind?
That isnt happening but there are multiple iterations of seeker scanning, flight profiles etc. that are still unknown to IAF just as AIM-120C is still "unknown" to them.
In the recent AFM interview the current COAS did say it best to Alan warnes - there was no interaction(which isnt "true) with Qatari or other friendly air forces on Rafale because they dont employ it the way India does. The same way spending time with Israelis on AMRAAM wont help India that much because PAF still has a different way of employing them.
 
@Oscar a S-400 missile was shot down by an HQ-9 how exactly would that engagement have occurred?
 
@Oscar a S-400 missile was shot down by an HQ-9 how exactly would that engagement have occurred?
It is a projectile at the end, HQ-9 painted the projectile in the air and characterized it as a ballistic missile and fired toward it.
It is possible that it was engaged assuming it was a ballistic missile and not a SAM.
 
The best way to put this into an analogy - here is my AI generated one:

Company A thought it had cracked the code. They’d landed a star, the industry’s Rafale. You know the type. Decorated résumé, top-tier references, invited to panels just to talk about “deal velocity.” Everyone is going "He is the best, we are the best, the best will be bestier"

Day One arrives. The rep signs in, gets a laptop, a link to “Sales Enablement Materials,” and a cautious smile from HR. Inside the folder? A four-slide deck with a sentence that says “Drive strategic growth through relationships.” No data. No map. No explanation of who owns what territory.

By week two, the Rafale’s flying blind. CRM access still pending. Pipeline reports lag by two months. Marketing’s gone dark. Every conversation begins with, “Who handles that?” It’s the corporate version of a combat sortie without radar or satellite intel. You can’t win skirmishes when you don’t even know where the front line is.

Management, of course, stares from a distance. “He’s a senior resource,” someone says, “He’ll improvise.” It’s always astonishing how people who’ve never flown assume the cockpit runs on motivation.

Meanwhile, across town, Company B quietly inducts a younger rep — the J-10. Modest background, decent track record, not an awards magnet. What Company B lacks in headline talent, it makes up for in systems. Structured onboarding. Cross-department syncs. Battle-tested playbooks. A CRM so clean you could eat off it. They even run mock calls to simulate objections.

The J-10 learns fast, knows who to call, and how the whole organism breathes. Within three months, the rep’s closing confidently, looping in marketing, operations, and leadership without begging for clarity.

By midyear, the J-10’s delivering air superiority, and the Rafale’s still grounded waiting for an “updated customer segmentation file.”

And here’s the tragic comedy: Company A will hold another review meeting to ask why the expensive hire didn’t perform. They’ll analyze “mindset” and “fit” while ignoring the obvious — you can’t deploy precision hardware on a chaotic network.

Systems matter. Infrastructure wins. A thousand pilot stories end the same way — brave soul, bad comms, wrong map.

You want performance? Build the control tower before you bring in the fighters.


seems story of every 'sethiya' company in Pak!

no body is resp., person capable of lying the most, will get best bonus and appraisal!

lets go!
 
@Oscar a S-400 missile was shot down by an HQ-9 how exactly would that engagement have occurred?
I am also interested in knowing more about this engagement.....than PL15 vs toasted Rafales..

@Oscar please enlighten us here.

The 48N6DM missile that HQ9 took down is a giant missile itself, so easily trackable....but how did that engagement happen?
 
It is a projectile at the end, HQ-9 painted the projectile in the air and characterized it as a ballistic missile and fired toward it.
It is possible that it was engaged assuming it was a ballistic missile and not a SAM.
But you mentioned earlier that it was done to protect a PAF aircraft.........means it must have been characterized as an surface to Air launch along with flight profile as SAMs would be expected to increase in altitude over time....
 
t it was done to protect a PAF aircraft.........means it must have been characterized as an surface to Air launch along with flight profile as SAMs would be expected to increase in altitude over time....
I am making an assumption that it was known it is a SAM Launch at something due to location of trajectory.
 
I am also interested in knowing more about this engagement.....than PL15 vs toasted Rafales..

@Oscar please enlighten us here.

The 48N6DM missile that HQ9 took down is a giant missile itself, so easily trackable....but how did that engagement happen?

Look more into SAM on SAM interceptions in general. US standard missiles for example serve a primary AD role but but can be used very effectively in Anti ship role, in this case for defending side missile will be treated as any other high ballistic trajectory weapon and engaged as such
 
It is a projectile at the end, HQ-9 painted the projectile in the air and characterized it as a ballistic missile and fired toward it.
It is possible that it was engaged assuming it was a ballistic missile and not a SAM.

How much does a 40N6E missile differ from a TBM especially in the terminal phase?
 
How much does a 40N6E missile differ from a TBM especially in the terminal phase?
One is usually maneuvering and expending energy while the other is gaining energy.
 
Hello sir,
I have read that s400 has a variant of missile that is for ssm role. so hq9 catching some is good that means our aa systems catch wide variety of missiles. Even sam missiles.
 

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