Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[flyingorca]

R-37 ko be paleeth kar diya

Lol i got really lazy so just gonna post a youtube link for reference.
Initially Indians thought they shot down Paf jet in Akhnoor but we all know its SU30 MKI. I Chose to post this video because it has longer ending compared to other.
Notice the premature missile launch towards the middle of the video. 0:22~ and the missile stays air borne for good 25 seconds until it impacts the ground behind the trees.
Both R73 and R77 motor burns for less then 10 seconds. The only air to air missile from Russia that has a burn time of over 20 seconds is R37 which India may have acquired in small batch in secrecy.
Rafale crash in Bathinda did samething but the video cuts off after few seconds so that premature missile launch could be a Meteor which explains why the tail fin was found away from the aircraft wreckage.

So do yall think its a R37?

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[ThrustVector998]

Lol i got really lazy so just gonna post a youtube link for reference.
Initially Indians thought they shot down Paf jet in Akhnoor but we all know its SU30 MKI. I Chose to post this video because it has longer ending compared to other.
Notice the premature missile launch towards the middle of the video. 0:22~ and the missile stays air borne for good 25 seconds until it impacts the ground behind the trees.
Both R73 and R77 motor burns for less then 10 seconds. The only air to air missile from Russia that has a burn time of over 20 seconds is R37 which India may have acquired in small batch in secrecy.
Rafale crash in Bathinda did samething but the video cuts off after few seconds so that premature missile launch could be a Meteor which explains why the tail fin was found away from the aircraft wreckage.

So do yall think its a R37?

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I think this was Bhatinda Rafale and it was Mica missile that fired prematurely due to impact fire

 

[flyingorca]

I think this was Bhatinda Rafale and it was Mica missile that fired prematurely due to impact fire

Rafale crash disintegrated in multiple parts before impact. Sort of like fireworks
Su30 fell pretty much in one piece.

 

[kimjongun]

Rafale crash disintegrated in multiple parts before impact. Sort of like fireworks
Su30 fell pretty much in one piece.

POINT.the rafale fell like a meteor shower

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Yes, during climb after take off...

exactly, like what they thought they would be doing to our F-16s!

this ambition was highlighted by their command in 2020 when S400 deal was announced..

those words are very significant, although, same will happen or not in the future is a different matter (bec. they have now latest EW equipment, courtesy of zios!)

 

[maxpane]

did iaf has r 37 in may?

 

[Princeps]

Lol i got really lazy so just gonna post a youtube link for reference.
Initially Indians thought they shot down Paf jet in Akhnoor but we all know its SU30 MKI. I Chose to post this video because it has longer ending compared to other.
Notice the premature missile launch towards the middle of the video. 0:22~ and the missile stays air borne for good 25 seconds until it impacts the ground behind the trees.
Both R73 and R77 motor burns for less then 10 seconds. The only air to air missile from Russia that has a burn time of over 20 seconds is R37 which India may have acquired in small batch in secrecy.
Rafale crash in Bathinda did samething but the video cuts off after few seconds so that premature missile launch could be a Meteor which explains why the tail fin was found away from the aircraft wreckage.

So do yall think its a R37?

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Maybe Astra missile?

 

[flyingorca]

Maybe Astra missile?

Astra mk2 is not even operational

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Astra mk2 is not even operational

There are more rafale in kashmir, so it can be meteor?

 

[Princeps]

Astra mk2 is not even operational

Mk1 is, and integrated with Su-30s

 

[kimjongun]

Mk1 is, and integrated with Su-30s

Only some of them not the whole fleet..

 

[flyingorca]

There are more rafale in kashmir, so it can be meteor?

Su30 does not carry Meteor

 

[flyingorca]

Mk1 is, and integrated with Su-30s

Mk1 is single stage motor with around same burn time as R77 and not 25 seconds.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Su30 does not carry Meteor

Ohh so su30 is confirmed? I thought from the video we dont know the aircraft. So the video is somewhere near akhnoor?

 

[Vkdindian1]

There has been this theory of Pakistan winning the skirmish in May 25 and entire “world recognising this win” theory is being sold.

It is also being claimed that Pakistan has made massive diplomatic gains due to this “so called win”.

This has been raised on some other threads too hence, I would put my points here to debunk these theories and also that Pakistan has made any game changing diplomatic gains after May 25 that can be attributed to the skirmish.

The claim that Trump is wooing Pakistan since it sees a strong nation is exaggerated. Improved diplomatic activity or selective engagement with Pakistan reflects regional stabilisation imperatives especially due to Iran and Gaza peace plans. US sees Munir’s utility in handling both these flash points. Pakistan’s geographic relevance, not battlefield dominance is the reason for this. Rest be assured that, the day this utility ceases, Munir would be sent packing home.

States engage with weak and strong actors alike when interests demand it. Diplomacy is transactional, not a scoreboard of wins and losses.

If diplomatic outreach were proof of victory, then every sanctioned or diplomatically courted state would be a “winner”, which is plainly absurd.

Any Indo-Pak war is unwinnable in absolute terms. Pakistan faces severe economic fragility, energy constraints, and dependence on external financing. India faces massive population exposure, economic disruption, and global market consequences.

This is precisely why neither side crosses certain thresholds. It is evidence that both understand the cost of miscalculation and decided to stand down on 10th May.

Narratives of “total victory” are domestic morale tools. They have been propagated by the same establishment that is trying to market JF-17 to half the third world Air Forces to create a narrative for domestic consumption. A narrative that JF-17 was so great that the whole world is dying to induct it. This is being sold as a proof. Both supporting each other. Nothing but bordering on a lie.

I do acknowledge that Pakistan punched way above its weight class for its performance on 07th May. There are many facts that show severe shortcomings on later dates and by no way a sign of a victory that is being claimed.

A genuine assessment must acknowledge that neither India nor Pakistan has won, and both would lose catastrophically if escalation ever crossed the point of control.