Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[flyingorca]

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[flyingorca]

Hey bro you posted a video of a villager speaking about a plane crash in India which will make it the fifth crash . Could you please post that video or point me to that.

Thanks

As we all know here that 4 visually confirmed IAF aircraft wreckages were identified as Rafale Su30 Mirage2000 and Mig29, but what aircraft was also shot down by PAF in Gurdaspur?
In the video below, you can see punjabi villagers clearly describing aircraft shot down and multiple villagers giving their testimony of the event that took place. A PL15 tail fin was also found in nearby field.
One guy has clearly stated that he saw the police cover up the wreckage. The question is, which wreckage could it be? 2nd Rafale? Pakistan officially claims 3 Rafales?
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I added actual locations of two cities Bathinda and Gurdaspur on the map. Initially ISPR got wrong. Notice the close proximity of Gurdaspur from one of Rafale wreckage site.
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[lightning f57]

I have talked to someone extremely high ranking in the PAF ( it’s believe me I have connections thing) and he was very clear that we should be thankful we have arrogant and delusional enemy like Indians . They have the brains and best technology but their Bollywood bravado is their worst enemy .

They put up 75 planes including their entire Rafael fleet (100 percent of their fleet) to scare us into not fighting back and just absorb the attack . In their worst nightmare they had not thought of us striking back and that too at their weakest points ( turning back after attacking and coming in for the landing) with longer than anticipated missile ranges …. Rest is all etched in stone now and no matter what Indians cry they cannot change the facts

And whilst we have celebrated that air victory we can't expect them to underestimate Pak again.

Pak needs J35s, it needs a qualitive edge to even the numbers. They will be back as their politicians especially under modi are tripping on arrogance, self ritousness and the desire to be the regional haegemon.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Please do apply the same “weight class” spectacles on India’s performance and situation this entire past year.

Munir has played Trump very well and entered his good books. But it has nothing to do with May 25 events. That has been the highlight while making this assessment of Pakistan gaining on the back of “so called victory”.

These claims are also made on the premise of one side more eager than the other for a ceasefire. Thats also appears to be the wrong basis and I have given my thoughts for the same in previous posts.

 

[Oscar]

Munir has played Trump very well and entered his good books. But it has nothing to do with May 25 events. That has been the highlight while making this assessment of Pakistan gaining on the back of “so called victory”.

These claims are also made on the premise of one side more eager than the other for a ceasefire. Thats also appears to be the wrong basis and I have given my thoughts for the same in previous posts.

It still does not provide any evidence nor backing that India punched equal to its purported weight.

Because regardless of debatable airfield strikes and damage - one side with both numerical and technological superiority which is in a BETTER capability class at least on paper performed rather poorly regardless of spin doctoring on “adopting” tactics after 7th May while the other side even with varied effects across the board but with overall inferior systems and numbers forced a situation where the ladder needed to be climbed by the Indian side.

There is no “stalemate” here on victory but rather a clear picture of a david vs goliath situation where the match was technically stopped or interrupted by whomsoever.

Heck, even if you consider that Pakistan managed to get powers to intervene and stop a conflict - from a pure objectives perspective it achieved its goals in throwing India off balance and then halting the match before things got out of hand.

 

[Vkdindian1]

It still does not provide any evidence nor backing that India punched equal to its purported weight.

No, it doesn’t. India did make some initial mistakes unworthy of its supposed weight class. Even later on, the Indian attack was well below what it could unleash. India not unleashing full power of its weight class later on is sign of weakness or strength, could remain a point of disagreement. The main reason for this is that a skirmish is more of an escalation managed scenario and not weight managed scenario. To me India was careful to keep it precise and accurate but not too heavy due to escalation management. That can’t be termed a weakness.

numerical and technological superiority which is in a BETTER capability class at least on paper performed rather poorly regardless of spin doctoring on “adopting” tactics after 7th May while the other side even with varied effects across the board but with overall inferior systems and numbers forced a situation where the ladder needed to be climbed by the Indian side.

Numerical and technical advantage on paper does not automatically translate into decisive outcomes in constrained environments. And the reason for this is stated above.

There is no “stalemate” here on victory but rather a clear picture of a david vs goliath situation where the match was technically stopped or interrupted by whomsoever.

I have agreed to david vs Goliath situation in earlier discussions too. But stopping of match with upper hand to Pakistan is a false and overrated notion being peddled by many. Infact, at that very moment it was India that was striking in a manner that can’t be called advantage Pakistan by any stretch of imagination. Halting of the match was more due to both side’s eagerness to not let it escalate would be more apt description of the situation.

Heck, even if you consider that Pakistan managed to get powers to intervene and stop a conflict - from a pure objectives perspective it achieved its goals in throwing India off balance and then halting the match before things got out of hand.

The claim that India was “forced to climb the escalation ladder” presumes that escalation itself was an imposed necessity rather than a controlled choice. An alternative reading is that retaining the ability to intensify while choosing when and how to do so remained asymmetrical. The absence of uncontrolled escalation cuts both ways. It does not inherently validate one side’s objectives over the other’s.

In any case, my main contention wasn’t even the conflict part but the narrative building part post May 25. A narrative in which JF-17 is being purported to be the shining star that has gained sudden glory. All this is being done on symbolic proxy in narrative space. JF-17 remains a competitive platform due to its price along with its availability to nations that can’t get other platforms but the entire effort seems to be focused on highlighting and linking it to May 25.

Or the fact that Pakistan has become a most sought after country for its performance in that conflict. And many nations are vying to get into an alliance with Pakistan.


US and Saudi are mentioned as two main examples. The reason quoted is Trump loves the powerful and Saudi sees a worthy ally in Pakistan. The event does not meet the threshold required to reshape regional power alignments. US engagement with Pakistan is rooted in Iran/Gaza angle while Saudi-Pak alliance goes a long way back with both having deep rooted security relations.

 

[TopGun786]

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Close up of the su-30 shot down over Jammu.

Credits to @shazilgotnolifeee and @nubaidfr from Instagram for uncovering this video.

No.... This is a Pakistani F-16 with two engines shot by tejas during Operation "ujdda sindoor" اجڑا سندور
Btw just presenting Indians logic.

 

[TF8]

There has been this theory of Pakistan winning the skirmish in May 25 and entire “world recognising this win” theory is being sold.

It is also being claimed that Pakistan has made massive diplomatic gains due to this “so called win”.

This has been raised on some other threads too hence, I would put my points here to debunk these theories and also that Pakistan has made any game changing diplomatic gains after May 25 that can be attributed to the skirmish.

The claim that Trump is wooing Pakistan since it sees a strong nation is exaggerated. Improved diplomatic activity or selective engagement with Pakistan reflects regional stabilisation imperatives especially due to Iran and Gaza peace plans. US sees Munir’s utility in handling both these flash points. Pakistan’s geographic relevance, not battlefield dominance is the reason for this. Rest be assured that, the day this utility ceases, Munir would be sent packing home.

States engage with weak and strong actors alike when interests demand it. Diplomacy is transactional, not a scoreboard of wins and losses.

If diplomatic outreach were proof of victory, then every sanctioned or diplomatically courted state would be a “winner”, which is plainly absurd.

Any Indo-Pak war is unwinnable in absolute terms. Pakistan faces severe economic fragility, energy constraints, and dependence on external financing. India faces massive population exposure, economic disruption, and global market consequences.

This is precisely why neither side crosses certain thresholds. It is evidence that both understand the cost of miscalculation and decided to stand down on 10th May.

Narratives of “total victory” are domestic morale tools. They have been propagated by the same establishment that is trying to market JF-17 to half the third world Air Forces to create a narrative for domestic consumption. A narrative that JF-17 was so great that the whole world is dying to induct it. This is being sold as a proof. Both supporting each other. Nothing but bordering on a lie.

I do acknowledge that Pakistan punched way above its weight class for its performance on 07th May. There are many facts that show severe shortcomings on later dates and by no way a sign of a victory that is being claimed.

A genuine assessment must acknowledge that neither India nor Pakistan has won, and both would lose catastrophically if escalation ever crossed the point of control.

From “India had the upper hand” to “neither India nor Pakistan won” You climbed down pretty quick my guy.

 

[falcon34]

No, it doesn’t. India did make some initial mistakes unworthy of its supposed weight class. Even later on, the Indian attack was well below what it could unleash. India not unleashing full power of its weight class later on is sign of weakness or strength, could remain a point of disagreement. The main reason for this is that a skirmish is more of an escalation managed scenario and not weight managed scenario. To me India was careful to keep it precise and accurate but not too heavy due to escalation management. That can’t be termed a weakness.



Numerical and technical advantage on paper does not automatically translate into decisive outcomes in constrained environments. And the reason for this is stated above.



I have agreed to david vs Goliath situation in earlier discussions too. But stopping of match with upper hand to Pakistan is a false and overrated notion being peddled by many. Infact, at that very moment it was India that was striking in a manner that can’t be called advantage Pakistan by any stretch of imagination. Halting of the match was more due to both side’s eagerness to not let it escalate would be more apt description of the situation.



The claim that India was “forced to climb the escalation ladder” presumes that escalation itself was an imposed necessity rather than a controlled choice. An alternative reading is that retaining the ability to intensify while choosing when and how to do so remained asymmetrical. The absence of uncontrolled escalation cuts both ways. It does not inherently validate one side’s objectives over the other’s.

In any case, my main contention wasn’t even the conflict part but the narrative building part post May 25. A narrative in which JF-17 is being purported to be the shining star that has gained sudden glory. All this is being done on symbolic proxy in narrative space. JF-17 remains a competitive platform due to its price along with its availability to nations that can’t get other platforms but the entire effort seems to be focused on highlighting and linking it to May 25.

Or the fact that Pakistan has become a most sought after country for its performance in that conflict. And many nations are vying to get into an alliance with Pakistan.


US and Saudi are mentioned as two main examples. The reason quoted is Trump loves the powerful and Saudi sees a worthy ally in Pakistan. The event does not meet the threshold required to reshape regional power alignments. US engagement with Pakistan is rooted in Iran/Gaza angle while Saudi-Pak alliance goes a long way back with both having deep rooted security relations.

Ro bhi jitna ro Sakta ha ro, it will not change the reality.

 

[flyingorca]

No.... This is a Pakistani F-16 with two engines shot by tejas during Operation "ujdda sindoor" اجڑا سندور
Btw just presenting Indians logic.

If we were in May 2025, Indians would have believed this. They would have gone a step ahead and added that the PAF has refused to accept the pilot.

 

[flyingorca]

No, it doesn’t. India did make some initial mistakes unworthy of its supposed weight class. Even later on, the Indian attack was well below what it could unleash. India not unleashing full power of its weight class later on is sign of weakness or strength, could remain a point of disagreement. The main reason for this is that a skirmish is more of an escalation managed scenario and not weight managed scenario. To me India was careful to keep it precise and accurate but not too heavy due to escalation management. That can’t be termed a weakness.



Numerical and technical advantage on paper does not automatically translate into decisive outcomes in constrained environments. And the reason for this is stated above.



I have agreed to david vs Goliath situation in earlier discussions too. But stopping of match with upper hand to Pakistan is a false and overrated notion being peddled by many. Infact, at that very moment it was India that was striking in a manner that can’t be called advantage Pakistan by any stretch of imagination. Halting of the match was more due to both side’s eagerness to not let it escalate would be more apt description of the situation.



The claim that India was “forced to climb the escalation ladder” presumes that escalation itself was an imposed necessity rather than a controlled choice. An alternative reading is that retaining the ability to intensify while choosing when and how to do so remained asymmetrical. The absence of uncontrolled escalation cuts both ways. It does not inherently validate one side’s objectives over the other’s.

In any case, my main contention wasn’t even the conflict part but the narrative building part post May 25. A narrative in which JF-17 is being purported to be the shining star that has gained sudden glory. All this is being done on symbolic proxy in narrative space. JF-17 remains a competitive platform due to its price along with its availability to nations that can’t get other platforms but the entire effort seems to be focused on highlighting and linking it to May 25.

Or the fact that Pakistan has become a most sought after country for its performance in that conflict. And many nations are vying to get into an alliance with Pakistan.


US and Saudi are mentioned as two main examples. The reason quoted is Trump loves the powerful and Saudi sees a worthy ally in Pakistan. The event does not meet the threshold required to reshape regional power alignments. US engagement with Pakistan is rooted in Iran/Gaza angle while Saudi-Pak alliance goes a long way back with both having deep rooted security relations.

Ignore me all you want but if JF17 did not perform well, no Air Force would be slightly interested in JF17. Dont think thag these interested parties gathered their intelligence from Pakistani and Chinese "propaganda" youtube, X IG accounts. Data that will never be revealed to public is shared with high officials which is used for decision making.
Maybe PAF does have high resolution satellite images of S400 raid conducted by JF17, and Ultra HD audio of IAF pilots communication that is being shared in secure top officials watsapp groups

 

[Baibers_1260]

Munir has played Trump very well and entered his good books. But it has nothing to do with May 25 events. That has been the highlight while making this assessment of Pakistan gaining on the back of “so called victory”.

These claims are also made on the premise of one side more eager than the other for a ceasefire. Thats also appears to be the wrong basis and I have given my thoughts for the same in previous posts.

The US and India recently signed a new 10-year Defence Framework Agreement in October 2025, significantly boosting defense cooperation, including enhanced intelligence sharing, military coordination, and technology collaboration, building on foundational agreements like BECA (Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geospatial Intelligence), aiming for greater interoperability.
This was a an enhancement of the BECA (2020) which granted India access to U.S. geospatial, satellite, and other sensitive intelligence for precise targeting,
In May 2025 India's successful targeting of Pakistani airbases using precise intelligence from geo-spatial satellites, showed the close interoperability advantages of the US-India BECA.

With intelligence sharing the USA would be well briefed by India regarding the exact details of the conflict and Pakistan's defeat . In fact basic details of the May 2025 conflict was referred to in the U.S.-China Economic & Security Review Commission report released to Congress in November 2025 which claims Pakistan had an edge in the conflict.
Question:s

• With such close interoperability with the USA why hasn't CDS Lt.General Anil Chauhan projected India's genuine victory and POV to the US media as well as globally ?
• Since India was logically victorious given its 7:1 military superiority backed by US geo-spatial aerospace intelligence, where does the Asim Munir factor come in and why is it relevant?

 

[flyingorca]

I am making a new video, would really appreciate if someome could share PAF official release of time when they shot down IAF jets. I know that it was aroumd 1:15 to 1:45 AM.

 

[NA71]

Another false flag narrative is in making ....Indian media reporting

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

It still does not provide any evidence nor backing that India punched equal to its purported weight.

Because regardless of debatable airfield strikes and damage - one side with both numerical and technological superiority which is in a BETTER capability class at least on paper performed rather poorly regardless of spin doctoring on “adopting” tactics after 7th May while the other side even with varied effects across the board but with overall inferior systems and numbers forced a situation where the ladder needed to be climbed by the Indian side.

There is no “stalemate” here on victory but rather a clear picture of a david vs goliath situation where the match was technically stopped or interrupted by whomsoever.

Heck, even if you consider that Pakistan managed to get powers to intervene and stop a conflict - from a pure objectives perspective it achieved its goals in throwing India off balance and then halting the match before things got out of hand.

I'd avoid engagement with this garbage of a person!