Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[NA71]

Indian Notam was also issued on same areas and dates....I guess

 

[Baibers_1260]

that would likely shit modis pants and he would declare nuclear war


Edit: Not that it didnt shit modis pants already, sicne its bakht natural habitat to shit and be close to shit always

Jokes aside.. a nuclear war with India in the very near future is likely, as India has drawn the wrong lessons from Operation Sindoor.
India believes it can initiate and win a nuclear war with Pakistan.

 

[El Sidd]

Jokes aside.. a nuclear war with India in the very near future is likely, as India has drawn the wrong lessons from Operation Sindoor.
India believes it can initiate and win a nuclear war with Pakistan.

India believes she has called the Pakistani nuclear bluff and consider Pakistan's nuclear deterrence doctrine obsolete.

 

[Corax]

I actually wish the indians did more damage to the military infrastructure, because the army in particular deserves a hard kick up the backside. All they've done is prattle on about nuclear nuclear nuclear...yeah we get it, you've got "atmi bum", who gives a flying fcuk. Those "atmi bum" did jack shit in May, and credit is due to the indians for actually calling the army's bluff and willing to conduct kinetic action across the border. If there is a repeat of the piss poor performance from the army leadership again, then we're in serious trouble.

 

[Corax]

India believes she has called the Pakistani nuclear bluff and consider Pakistan's nuclear deterrence doctrine obsolete.

That's because it is.

 

[El Sidd]

That's because it is.

It's very hard to say what NCA believes is the nuclear threshold.

 

[Baibers_1260]

India believes she has called the Pakistani nuclear bluff and consider Pakistan's nuclear deterrence doctrine obsolete.

Yes exactly.. India believes that

The 5 lessons learnt by India ( from their POV) are given below in article on War on the Rocks:
The biggest lesson India learned is that Pakistan has no "Red Lines " despite being a nuclear power ( if that is still true ). Pakistan can be bombed just as easily as Gaza, Qatar or Yemen.

Again, that is what India believes . Indians are in a self-denial mode about the costs of bombing Pakistan. That is what makes the current situation so dangerous.

 

[Corax]

It's very hard to say what NCA believes is the nuclear threshold.

If army cantonments are threatened.

 

[El Sidd]

Yes exactly.. India believes that

The 5 lessons learnt by India ( from their POV) are given below in article on War on the Rocks:
The biggest lesson India learned is that Pakistan has no "Red Lines " despite being a nuclear power ( if that is still true ). Pakistan can be bombed just as easily as Gaza, Qatar or Yemen.

Again, that is what India believes . Indians are in a self-denial mode about the costs of bombing Pakistan. That is what makes the current situation so dangerous.

Pakistan has no red lines if they can bomb Mosques and showcase it on their republic day but people like me are considered deranged fanatics.

If army cantonments are threatened.

they were but nothing happened.

 

[Baibers_1260]

If army cantonments are threatened.

Doubt it..
Nuclear weapons are now useless given the ballistic and cruise missile interception capabilities. If two belligerents have nuclear weapons, then only a conventional war can be fought, Even a nuclear "umbrella " is effective. Russia dared not use nuclear weapons in its war against Ukraine because it has the NATO nuclear umbrella. Similarly all the nuclear posturing of Iran ( we-have-the weapons...we-don't-have the weapons) has failed to deter crippling air and missile strikes by Israel which is an undeclared nuclear power.
Pakistan should put its nuclear weapons "to bed" and concentrate on developing and manufacturing huge numbers of supersonic cruise missiles.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Doubt it..
Nuclear weapons are now useless given the ballistic and cruise missile interception capabilities. If two belligerents have nuclear weapons, then only a conventional war can be fought, Even a nuclear "umbrella " is effective. Russia dared not use nuclear weapons in its war against Ukraine because it has the NATO nuclear umbrella. Similarly all the nuclear posturing of Iran ( we-have-the weapons...we-don't-have the weapons) has failed to deter crippling air and missile strikes by Israel which is an undeclared nuclear power.

Pakistan has no red lines if they can bomb Mosques and showcase it on their republic day but people like me are considered deranged fanatics.


they were but nothing happened.

Pakistan should put its nuclear weapons "to bed" and concentrate on developing and manufacturing huge numbers of supersonic cruise missiles.

currency of war is now land capture, says IA Chief

so, I would rather focus on 'soft targets' inside their territory

 

[Baibers_1260]

8t

currency of war is now land capture, says IA Chief

so, I would rather focus on 'soft targets' inside their territory

The next attacks from India will be 100% air sea and ground launched cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and drones . The numbers would be in the thousands.
India has learned that having BVR "dog fights " with defending enemy fighter jets, while their aircraft are delivering shorter range stand-off strikes, is an expensive and useless proposition. Far more damage can be done with long range precision missiles.
Russia learned the same lesson fighting Ukraine, even while destroying the tiny Ukrainian air force , . Russia lost several hundred assorted fixed wing, and rotary wing aircraft ( Su-25s, Su-24s, Su-34s. and Ka-52s) trying to deliver stand 'off airstrikes on Ukraine. The sophisticated and dense ground based air defenses over Ukraine took a heavy toll.
Russia then resorted to unmanned drones, sea launched cruise missiles, ground launched short range ballistic missiles with some success. Ukraine hit back with long range drones, GMRLS HIMARs, Storm Shadow cruise missiles inflicting heavy losses on Russia.
India is now following the Russian example with far more confidence, because Pakistan has no dense air defence environment like Ukraine, nor does it possess drones and GMRLS missiles sophisticated enough to penetrate India's air defenses as a retaliation.

The May 6-7th 2025 air battle will go down in history as the last aircraft-to-aircraft dog fight . This a spectacular one-shot victory but unfortunately it will not be repeated.

 

[Falcon26]

8t

The next attacks from India will be 100% air sea and ground launched cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and drones . The numbers would be in the thousands.
India has learned that having BVR "dog fights " with defending enemy fighter jets, while their aircraft are delivering shorter range stand-off strikes, is an expensive and useless proposition. Far more damage can be done with long range precision missiles.
Russia learned the same lesson fighting Ukraine, even while destroying the tiny Ukrainian air force , . Russia lost several hundred assorted fixed wing, and rotary wing aircraft ( Su-25s, Su-24s, Su-34s. and Ka-52s) trying to deliver stand 'off airstrikes on Ukraine. The sophisticated and dense ground based air defenses over Ukraine took a heavy toll.
Russia then resorted to unmanned drones, sea launched cruise missiles, ground launched short range ballistic missiles with some success. Ukraine hit back with long range drones, GMRLS HIMARs, Storm Shadow cruise missiles inflicting heavy losses on Russia.
India is now following the Russian example with far more confidence, because Pakistan has no dense air defence environment like Ukraine, nor does it possess drones and GMRLS missiles sophisticated enough to penetrate India's air defenses as a retaliation.

The May 6-7th 2025 air battle will go down in history as the last aircraft-to-aircraft dog fight . This a spectacular one-shot victory but unfortunately it will not be repeated.

Very well said. I have been saying that due to the pathetic performance of the Indian Air Force in both 2019 and 2025, Indian decision makers will resort to coordinated massive missile barrages against Pakistan, especially Air Force bases and will try to neutralize as many PAF fighter jets on the ground as possible.

 

[Jango007]

8t

The next attacks from India will be 100% air sea and ground launched cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and drones . The numbers would be in the thousands.
India has learned that having BVR "dog fights " with defending enemy fighter jets, while their aircraft are delivering shorter range stand-off strikes, is an expensive and useless proposition. Far more damage can be done with long range precision missiles.
Russia learned the same lesson fighting Ukraine, even while destroying the tiny Ukrainian air force , . Russia lost several hundred assorted fixed wing, and rotary wing aircraft ( Su-25s, Su-24s, Su-34s. and Ka-52s) trying to deliver stand 'off airstrikes on Ukraine. The sophisticated and dense ground based air defenses over Ukraine took a heavy toll.
Russia then resorted to unmanned drones, sea launched cruise missiles, ground launched short range ballistic missiles with some success. Ukraine hit back with long range drones, GMRLS HIMARs, Storm Shadow cruise missiles inflicting heavy losses on Russia.
India is now following the Russian example with far more confidence, because Pakistan has no dense air defence environment like Ukraine, nor does it possess drones and GMRLS missiles sophisticated enough to penetrate India's air defenses as a retaliation.

The May 6-7th 2025 air battle will go down in history as the last aircraft-to-aircraft dog fight . This a spectacular one-shot victory but unfortunately it will not be repeated.

I think we are really underestimating Pakistan’s strike potential .

We DID NOT use most types of missiles and guided Ammo available to us … we didn’t use any cruise missile at all, no ballistic missiles and no fixed wing drones were used.

Other than Fatah missiles ( very few were fired ) most of our attacks were loitering munitions with limited range and explosive loads. They are easy to shoot down and are meant to harass and intimidate enemy rather than cause large damage .

To me it seems that Pakistan restrained from attacking in force to maintain proportional damage after Indian airforce suffered devastating losses and was simply grounded for two days .

Had Pakistan over played their hand and pushed on with a bigger response Indians could have opened land and sea fronts stretching our resources and straining us to breaking point.

Over all I belive we did fantastic job responding on the first night and restraining ourselves afte by responding only to the level that was required not to escalate the situation out of control leading to an open war.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Very well said. I have been saying that due to the pathetic performance of the Indian Air Force in both 2019 and 2025, Indian decision makers will resort to coordinated massive missile barrages against Pakistan, especially Air Force bases and will try to neutralize as many PAF fighter jets on the ground as possible.

India doesn't need to neutralize every PAF aircraft. Destroying the runways ( as was done partially on some Pakistani air bases on May 9th 2025) will automatically ground the majority of the PAF fighter jets. A few might take off from the improvised highways but these would likely be taken down by S-400 N6 missiles. The bigger point is that Indian Air Force, Army and Navy will not waste missiles on air bases, since their missile launches will be well beyond the range of PAF aircraft, and in any case the vast majority of the missile launches will be from the ground with layered air defenses protecting the launch sites, or from under the sea ( using submarines) . PAF fighter jets, no matter how sophisticated cannot stop missiles even if they are airborne. India, will deliver a de-capitation strike on the leadership of the armed forces, and select political figures With the leadership killed, India expects a surrender from the surviving Pakistani establishment.
What Pakistan needs is large numbers of high performance PAC-3 Patriots or equivalents. and sophisticated GMRLS HIMARS exactly the way Ukraine has defended itself from Russian onslaughts.