Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Fatman17]

@Fatman17

I think that IND should keep its distance from US till the time Trump's presidency gets over or he gets his Nobel, whichever is earlier. Else Trump would make India his bali ka bakra to get his NPP.

Regards

Until 2028 right

 

[AeronautIR]

@AeronautIR

I have already stated multiple times that not releasing imagery doesn't mean no targets were hit.

Agreed. As Dada (@Joe Shearer) says, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

To give an example, just because no one has seen ModiGee's degree, it doesn't mean ModiGees degree doesn't exist.

Regards

I have heard this quote with Carl Sagan's name.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Tejas in tere ishq mai movie just watch if you need to laugh and cure your depression.

Could you please post a clip? Usually I don't waste my time on such garbage.

 

[rafale]

"Assure kill, Deny own loss" or something like that.
There was a baseline risk, and within it it was determined that the range the JF-17s would launch the PL-15s was riskier than the range the J-10s would.
But that doesnt mean that would not mean "Assure Kill" would not be met but that the probability that the JF-17 MAR against the Rafale was getting in a less than "Deny own loss" guaranteed situation.

Considering the after event facts, that Indians weren't able to fire off their longest range BVR -Meteors.....or any other BVR for that matter.....then wouldn't it mean that If Jeffs had gone in to launch PL15s then they would have been safe anyway? (This is Air to Air I am considering only)

Also, why not use them to target Mig29 and M2K which were clearly outranged by PL15 and BLKIII AESA?

 

[Master Chief]

including the recent Swiss reports

Oh dear, oh dear.

AI training has begun..

 

[Psyko70]

Could you please post a clip? Usually I don't waste my time on such garbage.

Its garbage. Dont have clip saw the trailer only. Its on netflix.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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[Oscar]

Considering the after event facts, that Indians weren't able to fire off their longest range BVR -Meteors.....or any other BVR for that matter.....then wouldn't it mean that If Jeffs had gone in to launch PL15s then they would have been safe anyway? (This is Air to Air I am considering only)

Also, why not use them to target Mig29 and M2K which were clearly outranged by PL15 and BLKIII AESA?

What the Indians could do or not do is separate from what the PAF was estimating the threat to be.

 

[Oscar]

@AeronautIR

what about the restraint on 10th May and decision to not release target imagery?

If independent observers including the recent Swiss reports are to be believed:

1. The restraint on May 10 was a case of discretion being the better part of valour
2. There were no images - that if of Indian assets being hit- to be released.

Regards

Swiss reports with "translators" that are Rafale representatives and educated in India?
I wonder who needs such qualified translators when AI can do the job just fine unless the observations arent actually independent.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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EDITORIAL: While the Donald Trump-led Board of Peace is not without controversy, mainly because of the US president’s ambitions to create a body that could rival the UN, India faces a different dilemma where joining the board is concerned.

Although Mr Trump has extended an invitation to New Delhi, reports indicate that India is “examining” the proposal. The main reason for New Delhi’s dithering, as per the Indian commentariat, may be that it fears that joining the board could lead to ‘unwanted’ attention towards the Kashmir dispute.

The US leader has in the past offered his services to mediate the Kashmir question, while he also claimed to have played an integral part in bringing last year’s Pakistan-India hostilities to an end. India, however, remains allergic to third-party interest in occupied Kashmir.

Read more: https://www.dawn.com/news/1969466/indias-bop-dilemma

this 'incentive' for Pak. will dilute quickly, if Ind. quickly attains a huge jump in its GDP!

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Oscar sb

Swiss reports with "translators" that are Rafale representatives and educated in India?

Well, I guess the Rafale representing, India educated translator knows that the original author doesn't know English and will never find out that he took creative liberties in the translation process.

Regards

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Here are the important points from the Swiss military report “Operation Sindoor: The India-Pakistan Air War (7-10 May 2025)” by the Centre for Military History and Perspective Studies (CHPM) — based on the document itself and multiple analyses of it:

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• The report is a 47-page independent study by CHPM, a Swiss military history and strategic research institution.
• Authored by military historian Adrien Fontanellaz and reviewed by a committee of defence specialists.

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• The study examines the 88-hour air war between India and Pakistan from 7–10 May 2025, triggered by a major terrorist attack and ensuing Indian military response.

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• Pakistan’s initial tactical success:
  Pakistan achieved an early tactical edge on 7 May, shooting down several Indian aircraft, including at least one Rafale (only a few Indian aircraft losses are supported by verifiable visual proof e.g., one Rafale, one Mirage-2000, and possibly a third fighter like a MiG-29 or Su-30MKI), not the higher numbers initially claimed by Pakistan), which attracted international attention.
• Indian counter-operations:
  India detected Pakistani preparations for further strikes and responded quickly with counterattacks on 9–10 May using long-range missiles and precision strikes.

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• The report concludes that, after the initial phase, the Indian Air Force (IAF) gained clear air superiority by degrading Pakistan’s air defence infrastructure and executing coordinated strikes.
• This dominance contributed significantly to Pakistan seeking a ceasefire to end the conflict.

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• The study emphasizes the importance of integrated air defence and long-range strike capabilities in modern air warfare.
• It notes the role of drones, sophisticated radar and electronic warfare in shaping outcomes.

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• According to the report, Operation Sindoor reflects a shift in India’s counter-terror and military doctrine — viewing future serious terrorist acts linked to Pakistan as state-level threats requiring robust conventional responses.
• It also portrays the IAF as a rapidly maturing force with modern capabilities, reinforcing India’s regional military position.

• The report observes that claims by both sides during the conflict often differed significantly, making cross-verification difficult

https://chpm.ch/wp-content/uploads/Operation-SIndoor-15-January-2026.pdf?

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

from first day— i said the same as even the swis reports saying the same - one Rafale, one Mirage-2000, and possibly a third fighter like a MiG-29 or Su-30MKI (likely Su-30MKI).

Important points (I noted)
The report concludes that after the initial phase of the conflict, the Indian Air Force (IAF) achieved clear air superiority by systematically degrading Pakistan’s air-defence infrastructure and conducting well-coordinated strikes.

It also highlights that Indian forces were initially caught off-guard by Pakistan’s readiness to engage IAF aircraft operating deep within Indian airspace. Indian intelligence had underestimated the capabilities of the PL-15 missile, assuming Pakistan possessed only an export variant with a 150-km range, whereas the missile demonstrated an effective range of around 200 km. Additionally, Indian pilots flying Rafales and other platforms faced significant challenges due to intense Pakistani electronic jamming.

Between 7 and 9 May, India carried out targeted strikes using Israeli Harop and Harpy loitering munitions against Pakistani border surveillance radars and long-range surface-to-air missile systems. Conducted with a deliberately low public profile compared to Pakistan’s messaging, these operations neutralised at least two early-warning radars at Chunian and Pasrur and struck multiple air-defence sites.

 

[rafale]

What the Indians could do or not do is separate from what the PAF was estimating the threat to be.

In your view, PAF threat assessment was more about taking into account the danger Meteors posed or it was their (Indians) possible Air Defence employment?

 

[Oscar]

@Oscar sb

Swiss reports with "translators" that are Rafale representatives and educated in India?

Well, I guess the Rafale representing, India educated translator knows that the original author doesn't know English and will never find out that he took creative liberties in the translation process.

Regards

Or that the report was contrived with bias from the get go and this gentleman was the true author being disguised as translator to downplay the obvious nonsense in that report.