Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Ibbi32]

India's Rail based Ballistic missile garrisons
These would be used to release the Agni P loaded trains into the civillain railway systems. The video on this will come quite late on my yt (PIXEL_PATRIOT)
1) DEHU RAIL BASED MISSILE GARRISON - DEHU , NEAR PUNE
18°42'54.99"N 73°42'12.68"E
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2)MISSA RAIL BASED GARRISON-MISSA,ASSAM STATE
26°27'40.27"N 92°56'02.51"E
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Don’t really see the point of this. They are legitimising rail infrastructure as a valid millitary target if anything. Mordern BMs rely on highly mobile scoot and shoot capability that cannot be readily predicted

 

[hasssanali8998]

Don’t really see the point of this. They are legitimising rail infrastructure as a valid millitary target if anything. Mordern BMs rely on highly mobile scoot and shoot capability that cannot be readily predicted

yep really stupid , pointed it out when they tested it .
still dont get it

rail tracks/roads are the first things that will be taken out in a war , you already have long range missiles why not just go the iran route

 

[Ibbi32]

yep really stupid , pointed it out when they tested it .
still dont get it

rail tracks/roads are the first things that will be taken out in a war , you already have long range missiles why not just go the iran route

Dont even need to target rail infra directly. Theres more than enough friendly cells in india that can blow up a couple rail lines and then your entire nuclear strike deterrent fall apart

 

[kimjongun]

Don’t really see the point of this. They are legitimising rail infrastructure as a valid millitary target if anything. Mordern BMs rely on highly mobile scoot and shoot capability that cannot be readily predicted

Dont even need to target rail infra directly. Theres more than enough friendly cells in india that can blow up a couple rail lines and then your entire nuclear strike deterrent fall apart

You cant just take out any rail track guys , these systems are sent into the rail infra when the situations go into very critical situations , these are harder to track as compared to the normal TELs which have known launch and storage locations and have survellince on them all the time . These are still a bigger threat then you guys think so

 

[Oscar]

You cant just take out any rail track guys , these systems are sent into the rail infra when the situations go into very critical situations , these are harder to track as compared to the normal TELs which have known launch and storage locations and have survellince on them all the time . These are still a bigger threat then you guys think so

What is also lost is that once India finally gets it various plans stamped/ cross checked / double stamped / buried/ uncovered and released - if executed properly they will outdo any Pakistani plans.

Back in 71 - starting from nothing in 65 they built an extensive rail and road network in the desert within 3 years which (for valid and not so valid reasons) Pakistan was completely unaware of.

Same way, their sub pens tunneled into the rock secure their assets to potentially even a first strike by Pakistan while your subs end up with faster than typical hull lifecycle needs due to corrosive environment in Karachi Harbor

 

[kimjongun]

What is also lost is that once India finally gets it various plans stamped/ cross checked / double stamped / buried/ uncovered and released - if executed properly they will outdo any Pakistani plans.

Back in 71 - starting from nothing in 65 they built an extensive rail and road network in the desert within 3 years which (for valid and not so valid reasons) Pakistan was completely unaware of.

Same way, their sub pens tunneled into the rock secure their assets to potentially even a first strike by Pakistan while your subs end up with faster than typical hull lifecycle needs due to corrosive environment in Karachi Harbor

Exactly , the lethargic behaviour of the indian baus is the only thing stopping them from totallly annihilating' us in a war , The way they have been planning and buying things with help of their deeper pockets is very concerning . Our gernails and Babus still think the nuclear option is the only way while not knowing what consequences it would had on the response from the enemy and the effects of a nuclear exchange .
We still have the mentality of "F16 hai na"....

In 71 , Manekshaw prepared for 9 months before the war and waited for the initiation by us in the western sector , he decided to fight in the winter and not the bengali monsoon which would have hampered the logistics and air support , some also say the cold had helped armour columns to travel the dirt of bengal better then it would have done in summers . A lot of planning was done by him while drunkerds here did not know what to do .

India inducted its 3rd SSBN and is gonna get a lot more i think , idk how the PN is gonna suffice with using the Baburs on the hangors which are all gonna eb the first targets of the IN even before the surface fleet , these should at least be getting above ground hardened PENs If underground ones cant be built/Too costly

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Exactly , the lethargic behaviour of the indian baus is the only thing stopping them from totallly annihilating' us in a war , The way they have been planning and buying things with help of their deeper pockets is very concerning . Our gernails and Babus still think the nuclear option is the only way while not knowing what consequences it would had on the response from the enemy and the effects of a nuclear exchange .
We still have the mentality of "F16 hai na"....

In 71 , Manekshaw prepared for 9 months before the war and waited for the initiation by us in the western sector , he decided to fight in the winter and not the bengali monsoon which would have hampered the logistics and air support , some also say the cold had helped armour columns to travel the dirt of bengal better then it would have done in summers . A lot of planning was done by him while drunkerds here did not know what to do .

India inducted its 3rd SSBN and is gonna get a lot more i think , idk how the PN is gonna suffice with using the Baburs on the hangors which are all gonna eb the first targets of the IN even before the surface fleet , these should at least be getting above ground hardened PENs If underground ones cant be built/Too costly

EXACTLY!!!!!.........Still have no idea if Pakistan actually shot down several advanced french made indian rafale fighter jets during operation sindoor (may 2025).............

 

[Ibbi32]

Exactly , the lethargic behaviour of the indian baus is the only thing stopping them from totallly annihilating' us in a war , The way they have been planning and buying things with help of their deeper pockets is very concerning . Our gernails and Babus still think the nuclear option is the only way while not knowing what consequences it would had on the response from the enemy and the effects of a nuclear exchange .
We still have the mentality of "F16 hai na"....

In 71 , Manekshaw prepared for 9 months before the war and waited for the initiation by us in the western sector , he decided to fight in the winter and not the bengali monsoon which would have hampered the logistics and air support , some also say the cold had helped armour columns to travel the dirt of bengal better then it would have done in summers . A lot of planning was done by him while drunkerds here did not know what to do .

India inducted its 3rd SSBN and is gonna get a lot more i think , idk how the PN is gonna suffice with using the Baburs on the hangors which are all gonna eb the first targets of the IN even before the surface fleet , these should at least be getting above ground hardened PENs If underground ones cant be built/Too costly

Pens wont stop the inevitable. If India really wants those hangors gone they will throw as many long range munitions they have at them. Problem is at present navy still hasnt learnt fron humiliation of 1971. You need a multilayered AD and widescale dispersion of targets and retaliatory means of attack equal to enemy vectors to survive.

 

[Olympus81]

The adversary has been putting holes in Pakistan’s war strategy that had conceptualized there will be no war when both sides have nukes. Past 2 skirmishes are a testament to that.

From a macro standpoint, Pakistan’s shortcomings were a strong rocket force, inability to strike deeper inside (whether this was done willingly or not, we do not know) and a decision paralysis of sorts (from the 1st day to the 4th). And most importantly, Pakistan has no real answer to Indian suspending the IWT as yet.

Hopefully, Pakistan is taking measures to fill these gaps.

 

[Ibbi32]

Pens wont stop the inevitable. If India really wants those hangors gone they will throw as many long range munitions they have at them. Problem is at present navy still hasnt learnt fron humiliation of 1971. You need a multilayered AD and widescale dispersion of targets and retaliatory means of attack equal to enemy vectors to survive.

@kimjongun compare to the new north korean destroyers and their strategy of being floating AD batteries to protect the Sub pens for their new boomers from overwhelming conventional attack. They are not designed to survive long term but rather throw out enough CMs and AD missiles to detter enemy strikes and keep them away long enough to let the subs move out. Im not saying Pakistan has to copy North Korea but theres a lot to learn from them as well as they always take a proactive and unique approach to their dire circumstances and complete conventional overmatch

 

[PK781]

what needs to happen is for Pakistan to not show restraints and finish the fucking job next time they do any misadventure. Total destruction of the enemy.
Use any and all means necessary to achieve that goal. If it fucks up the entire world, let it.
yeah it can be considered an extreme step by some, but its absolutely necessary.

Just finish the fucking task/job and be done. The entire world needs fireworks and big ones.

 

[fameen]

Exactly , the lethargic behaviour of the indian baus is the only thing stopping them from totallly annihilating' us in a war , The way they have been planning and buying things with help of their deeper pockets is very concerning . Our gernails and Babus still think the nuclear option is the only way while not knowing what consequences it would had on the response from the enemy and the effects of a nuclear exchange .
We still have the mentality of "F16 hai na"....

In 71 , Manekshaw prepared for 9 months before the war and waited for the initiation by us in the western sector , he decided to fight in the winter and not the bengali monsoon which would have hampered the logistics and air support , some also say the cold had helped armour columns to travel the dirt of bengal better then it would have done in summers . A lot of planning was done by him while drunkerds here did not know what to do .

India inducted its 3rd SSBN and is gonna get a lot more i think , idk how the PN is gonna suffice with using the Baburs on the hangors which are all gonna eb the first targets of the IN even before the surface fleet , these should at least be getting above ground hardened PENs If underground ones cant be built/Too costly

No. The Indian offensive in East Pakistan began in November. West Pakistan engaged in December which leads you to think General Manekshaw waited until we retaliated in the West. He didn’t. He had already begun his offensive. Several books on this subject already.

 

[kimjongun]

No. The Indian offensive in East Pakistan began in November. West Pakistan engaged in December which leads you to think General Manekshaw waited until we retaliated in the West. He didn’t. He had already begun his offensive. Several books on this subject already.

Mb , Any books regarding on this subject you can sugggest?

 

[fameen]

Mb , Any books regarding on this subject you can sugggest?

Off the top, the book that broke every Pakistanis heart was “Witness to Surrender” by Siddiq Salik. It may be out of print now but it was published in 1974 or 75 initially. But let me search a bit and I’ll message you… if you will let me know how to….

Btw, the first book ever published on Pakistan’s Defence was titled “Our Defence Cause”. It was written by Lt. General Attiqur Rahman who was Governor of West Pakistan in 1971. It was published in 1974. It was a devastating analysis of the wrong turns we took in 1965 and in 1971. It was published by Ferozesons I think.

Finally, General Manekshaw himself was an exceptional man. Look for his interviews on YouTube. He may also have written a book but if he has I haven’t read it. Oh, and I think the Hamood Ur Rahman report can also be found on the web. I’ll check if I have it.

 

[ACE OF HEARTS]

If TBMs and engineers from China [ to speed things up ] can be employed to work under the mountains of Balochistan, between quetta and gwadar, located more than 1000 km from the eastern border, you can have a credible underground Base of tunnels of 100s of km, with a few years, ready for an unlimited number of counter strikes.

Basically a Whole underground city.

As of April 2026, China's latest and most advanced tunnel boring machines (TBMs) are operating at record-breaking speeds for mega-projects, with key metrics reaching up to 18 meters per day for large-diameter under-river tunnels.