Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[side-winder]

In his latest interview, A/C (R) Khalid Chishti revealed that IAF was completely grounded for Ten days between 7th and 17th May and only on one occasion a single Mirage-2000 got airborne and fired a SOW from within the airspace of it's own base !

Yes they didn't fly after 10th for about a week - flying from PAF side was also minimum after 10th due to ceasefire.

The mirage 2K part is not true - only a couple attack sorties from Rafales and Su30s in early hours of 10th from stand off ranges - rest for most part they were just grounded and launching from ground when Pakistan launched BuM.

 

[Princeps]

Yes they didn't fly after 10th for about a week - flying from PAF side was also minimum after 10th due to ceasefire.

The mirage 2K part is not true - only a couple attack sorties from Rafales and Su30s in early hours of 10th from stand off ranges - rest for most part they were just grounded and launching from ground when Pakistan launched BuM.

A rampage was also fired probably from Jaguar or Mig-29

 

[Starlord]

PAF should have been unleashed on the May 10th after 3 days of restraint. There was no strategic sense to tie the hands of the PAF when it established clear air superiority. Perhaps such an opportunity won’t be had again by PAF.

We should've destroy their jets in hangers, if we really had that much of control over skies then letting Indians go with just 3-4 jets is really a embarrassment.

 

[side-winder]

PAF should have been unleashed on the May 10th after 3 days of restraint. There was no strategic sense to tie the hands of the PAF when it established clear air superiority. Perhaps such an opportunity won’t be had again by PAF.

That would lead to a sustained conflict - and honestly, a sustained conflict will always swing balance in India's favor - They have a stronger economy and they have got strategic depth - and the more sustained the conflict goes - the more these factors start coming into play - all they had to do was to keep throwing brahmos volleys from their launchers with shoot and scoot tactics - so even a minor damage on our side means a heavy cost due to our economic woes - so the ceasefire with some public face saving for them was fine.

As far as the matter of "detterence" is concerned - i think they very well got the message that their "advantages" had also pretty much been evened out - when they just decided to keep their airforce grounded whenever PAF planes appeared on their radar screens - basically an admission of defeat in air warfare.

But in all fairness - i think it was a good strategy from IAF - there was no use of bravados when you know you would only end up getting more of your jets shotdown.

 

[safriz]

Yes they didn't fly after 10th for about a week - flying from PAF side was also minimum after 10th due to ceasefire.

The mirage 2K part is not true - only a couple attack sorties from Rafales and Su30s in early hours of 10th from stand off ranges - rest for most part they were just grounded and launching from ground when Pakistan launched BuM.

I guess it was Pakistan who Bummed them. Not the other way round.

 

[White Privilege]

Seems like a duplicate job. I have ready made a number of posts. About the damage, a general statement holds true - none significant except Bholari.

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Which air bases/random locations launched against which of our bases?? Chaff rockets can't be used because of contamination risks at air bases however some passive reflectors (either ground based or blimp based) can be placed around the base , or near the bases,to distract the missiles from the core structures in the middle.

 

[Ibbi32]

PAF should have been unleashed on the May 10th after 3 days of restraint. There was no strategic sense to tie the hands of the PAF when it established clear air superiority. Perhaps such an opportunity won’t be had again by PAF.

Problem is PAF for last 40 years has been built so obsessed with a2a combat that i think they’ve really forgotten how to actually exploit the air superiority. If it comes to it PAF can and will establish air superiority again. But with indian AD cover and lacking numbers of any stand off dedicated a2g munitions until recently has reduced response options.

 

[MandarKaBandar]

That would lead to a sustained conflict - and honestly, a sustained conflict will always swing balance in India's favor - They have a stronger economy and they have got strategic depth - and the more sustained the conflict goes - the more these factors start coming into play - all they had to do was to keep throwing brahmos volleys from their launchers with shoot and scoot tactics - so even a minor damage on our side means a heavy cost due to our economic woes - so the ceasefire with some public face saving for them was fine.

As far as the matter of "detterence" is concerned - i think they very well got the message that their "advantages" had also pretty much been evened out - when they just decided to keep their airforce grounded whenever PAF planes appeared on their radar screens - basically an admission of defeat in air warfare.

But in all fairness - i think it was a good strategy from IAF - there was no use of bravados when you know you would only end up getting more of your jets shotdown.

Not releasing Satellite/HUD footage or Electronic signatures, Data is one thing and I have taken this up with some relevant people that if nothing else then PAF should at least release some images of our LM or Drones hoovering over the A-50 or locked onto the Chinook sitting in a hangar to counter the Indian versions !

 

[side-winder]

Btw, @ 36:50 he says - PAF aircrafts had come as close as 40 KM from our position at Pathankot - which is roughly same distance from border - i mean PAF was all over their borders and they still didn't scramble

Yet the Indians believe totally the opposite that it was PAF that was hiding and some of pakistanis had also been skeptical from the start about stories of PAF air superiority.

@Ak01 - never mind

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[hasssanali8998]

Btw, @ 36:55 he says - PAF aircraft had come as close as 40 KM from our position at Pathankot - which is roughly same distance from border - i mean PAF was all over their borders and they still didn't scramble

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saar s400 will make PAF jets flea to afghanistan to stay safe saar

 

[side-winder]

saar s400 will make PAF jets flea to afghanistan to stay safe saar

Now that basically proves my posts about S400 as well - if PAF was flying all over the LoC and IB - where was S400?

I have always said - S400 went offline (either due to hit or due to hide and seek they had to play) after PAF strikes and IAF had reduced to merely a rocket force.

 

[Falcon26]

Problem is PAF for last 40 years has been built so obsessed with a2a combat that i think they’ve really forgotten how to actually exploit the air superiority. If it comes to it PAF can and will establish air superiority again. But with indian AD cover and lacking numbers of any stand off dedicated a2g munitions until recently has reduced response options.

Fair point but in this particle’s situation, I think everyone agrees they were constrained by GHQ imposed limitations.

 

[Falcon26]

That would lead to a sustained conflict - and honestly, a sustained conflict will always swing balance in India's favor - They have a stronger economy and they have got strategic depth - and the more sustained the conflict goes - the more these factors start coming into play - all they had to do was to keep throwing brahmos volleys from their launchers with shoot and scoot tactics - so even a minor damage on our side means a heavy cost due to our economic woes - so the ceasefire with some public face saving for them was fine.

As far as the matter of "detterence" is concerned - i think they very well got the message that their "advantages" had also pretty much been evened out - when they just decided to keep their airforce grounded whenever PAF planes appeared on their radar screens - basically an admission of defeat in air warfare.

But in all fairness - i think it was a good strategy from IAF - there was no use of bravados when you know you would only end up getting more of your jets shotdown.

It also works the other way. If Pakistan were to target India’s economic and financial centers and infrastructure, damage would have been exponentially bigger for India and would have done a long term damage to India’s economic growth. The same lesson the UAE is learning these days. India has more to lose but for that, Pakistan should target their main urban centers and mov beyond Kashmir and Punjab. In fact, what does Pakistan have to lose?

 

[side-winder]

It also works the other way. If Pakistan were to target India’s economic and financial centers and infrastructure, damage would have been exponentially bigger for India and would have done a long term damage to India’s economic growth. The same lesson the UAE is learning these days. India has more to lose but for that, Pakistan should target their main urban centers and mov beyond Kashmir and Punjab. In fact, what does Pakistan have to lose?

Again, the mutually assured destruction of high value assets is actually more damage to us than for them - also not all of their high value assets happen to be close to our border - geogrpahy matters alot.

 

[Watandar]

It also works the other way. If Pakistan were to target India’s economic and financial centers and infrastructure, damage would have been exponentially bigger for India and would have done a long term damage to India’s economic growth. The same lesson the UAE is learning these days. India has more to lose but for that, Pakistan should target their main urban centers and mov beyond Kashmir and Punjab. In fact, what does Pakistan have to lose?

India has depth in land, economy , size of military as well as materials and energy supplies. India can also recover faster than Pakistan from war damage because of the size of its economy, foreign exchange reserves, trained labor force and deep links with foreign investors. The stark truth is that Pakistan is weak in all these areas and at a huge disadvantage in any drawn out war.