Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

We must NEVER EVER FORGET how they clapped and rejoiced for India. For a day or three, India was their new Israel, complete with the all-important "right to defend itself" and all the trimmings.

How India then went to score own goal after own goal is a thing of mystery.

Nikki Haley, Rishi Sunak, Tulsi Gabbard, the lot of them, with one thing in common - you can take the Hindustani out of Hindustan but you cannot stop their incorrigible nature. How we thwarted them all that day.

As for America’s politicians, this episode showed us why the Dems are less trustworthy than the Reps, who at least tell you to your face if they want you dead.

Of course, the whole dynamic is different now. The challenge is to maintain this upward momentum.
you missed out the 2 vile bitches that are hated even by the ordinary British public.
pretti Patel and Suella Braverman. bigots and racists to the core. known to appease (and that ) to most racist populists and specifically hating on Pakistanis just like their god mother Minrata Haily crook in USA.

them aside. now Indians have decided they lost no Rafale jets .. maybe they will update it to. lost no Jets and
then will explain the reason and proof that they had grounded their airforce for 2 days in the middle of the conflict, therefore they won. youtube, instagram and X is fulll with Bakhts celebrating the destruction of Pakistani bases (Lahore seaport) and its airforce.
lol
 
How this comes across to me is all countries except for China had accepted Indian attacks on Pakistan. This includes the USA. The attacks started after JD Vance's visit so ofcourse it was discussed. For 2 days they looked the other way and as soon as Pakistan decided to respond they stepped in.

This is why BBC grilled the Pakistani ambassador knowing full well civilians had died for hearsay from the Indians. Tweets from politicians encouraging attacks. Nikki Haley was the most psychotic.

They thought it would be a cakewalk. The Arabs must have been bamboozled by Doval's bullshit :ROFLMAO:

What Munir means with this analogy is that Pakistan will destroy many of their HVTs and Arab investment will become rubble.

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Taking a page out of Irans playbook and scorched earth. Pakistan isn’t a dumpster truck, I understand what he meant.

I wish we had struck military and civilian targets. Their media is in cahoots with the rabid right wing vile Hindu government. They will hide or obfuscate facts. We shot down 6 planes, they’re counter with we shot down 7 planes. It’s in their culture to one up with b*llshittery. Thats how Hindus have survived over the centuries. Next war they will not hold back and attack civilians. The hatred is there. You see it in their faces and eyes. They are waging a 1400 years war against our civilization while our Gen Z wants to remove all Islamic values from Pakistan.

You’ve seen videos of Indians in groups attacking lone individual and will scatter like cockroaches if that individual fights back. Thats them in a nutshell.

Their major temples (Somnath especially), largest cricket venue, financial centers, and hospitals would need be stuck along with the military targets. Taking out their economic centers infrastructure should be included as well. Learn from what the Iran just did to the Arabs.
 
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Embarassing.
 
How this comes across to me is all countries except for China had accepted Indian attacks on Pakistan. This includes the USA. The attacks started after JD Vance's visit so ofcourse it was discussed. For 2 days they looked the other way and as soon as Pakistan decided to respond they stepped in.

This is why BBC grilled the Pakistani ambassador knowing full well civilians had died for hearsay from the Indians. Tweets from politicians encouraging attacks. Nikki Haley was the most psychotic.

They thought it would be a cakewalk. The Arabs must have been bamboozled by Doval's bullshit :ROFLMAO:

What Munir means with this analogy is that Pakistan will destroy many of their HVTs and Arab investment will become rubble.

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they wanted to create a hype and try to frightened us but got a proper response.
 
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Restrain=lack of capability
O so that’s why Indian spokesperson came on tv asking saying there would be no further escalation from India provided Pakistan also didn’t escalate further.
IAF = lack of capability, and no change in that in 2019 or 2025.
 
@Oscar I wanted to respond/reply back to your Comment on that whole 'Attrition' matter on the other Topic, but I have recieved a Lifetime Ban from their Masla Dosa Moderator on the entire Indian Defence Thread.

Even though I had planned to Troll that guy, but what can one do about these creatures...

Khair, dafa karey.

@Yasser76
 
Depends - on average it is actually ok for IAF - the PAF averages around that figure or slightly more depending upon operational deployments or exercises while the IAF has fluctuated between 190+ hours for the most experienced/ training units(TACDE) all the way out to <60 hours for some units operating Mig-29K. MKI averages 100 hours or lower , so does Mirage 2000 so Rafale actually has the highest tempo.

It definitely has a high operating cost but ADA pilots actually averaged that number as well(which is below NATO required 180 hours) so on par.

Do you know that the MKI has a higher operational cost to the IAF two years ago despite local spare production purely out of their own inefficiencies. Now they are making strides to reduce that eventually by 2030(unless they shoot themselves in the foot which is likely) with their super sukhoi changes they might have it to 75% availability IF EVERYTHING GOES TO PLAN(When does it ever).
However, they still need to make up for a pilot shortfall which I believe they intend to address through a combo agniveer(or whatever their part time program is) but India's own success is screwing it here.

Then there is their own fleet diversity issue - you have 6-7 distinct(not even cross pollinated) aircraft types. An Su-30MKI IP cannot supervise Mirage 2000 absorption(rare few exceptions aside) A Jaguar IP cannot certify Rafale conversion. They actually had times where squadrons DID NOT HAVE A IP. Flight hours are still great there but no one to verify if those counted for something. They have augmented it with simulators with Rafale's leading the way, and MKIs to follow suit - the Tejas is a joke of an impact on the IAF's strength that it does not even warrant a discussion.

Moreover, as it modernizes its fleet - it needs more pilots then its current(or even future) training operating at MAX levels can provide BEFORE the commercial sector scavenging can begin which focuses on experienced Instructor pilots - IPs. Ironically, India's economic success is making its defense weak here... only a hike in pilot salaries can help reduce but not eliminate the shortage or - again ironic - a recession lasting for 5+ years.

Now here is the bitter pill, the PAF is doing just slightly better than the IAF - not great.
I wont go into too many specifics but your F-16s are STILL the most reliable platform with the J-10s comparable - the JF-17 next, then the Mirages and F-7s. However, from a pure pilot perspective the PAF is now below required high standards of 2 pilots per cockpit especially as newer platforms are inducted.

However, as last known the IP issue has not hit PAF... yet and IPs are not overloaded in PAF so skills upgrade timelines are compressed compared to IAF. In this specific timeframe there is also the advantage of F-16 and JF-17 cross pollination(for now) where a JF-17IP may have F-16 background so they can supervise F-16 conversion as well. (@AeronautIR could elaborate further)
Regarding IPs, PAF has no issues because there are Flt Lt doing CCS on F-16, and a CCQ can be posted as instructor to any sqn. Similarly, second J-10 conversion is starting next month with 8 CCQs in 15 sqn, along with other pilots who have IP status.
 

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