Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[falcon34]

But don’t you think that comes from a place of scarcity . The reason why those goones act that way is because they are full on incels. There’s been research done into it. The hate towards Muslims is due to not being a viable option to the opposite sex.hence all the memes about Israeli women etc.

You can almost argue the same for allot of Pakistani lads I see too(thinking they have a shot with Turkish women).They’ll turn there attention to other things like military etc because women don’t see them in a romantic way and there’s nothing they can do about it.

Bro this is BS, it's not about woman not seeing indian or Pakistani guys in a romantic, for example take west, take liberal indians and Pakistani who have no relation with religion other than some sort of coustom l, even in that 99.9% relationship are between the pakistani men and woman and same for indians and I am not talking marriage.
The bahartis have just innate hatred for Pakistanis, same goes for afghans the way the hate just for being the people of Indus. This hatred is ancient. Transcend religion but in today's day and age it is masked by religion.

 

[RescueRanger]

But don’t you think that comes from a place of scarcity . The reason why those goones act that way is because they are full on incels. There’s been research done into it. The hate towards Muslims is due to not being a viable option to the opposite sex.hence all the memes about Israeli women etc.

You can almost argue the same for allot of Pakistani lads I see too(thinking they have a shot with Turkish women).They’ll turn there attention to other things like military etc because women don’t see them in a romantic way and there’s nothing they can do about it.

How is this relevant to a defence thread.

What is going on with the quality of posts on our forum.

Please stick to talking about actual defence issues and not hypothetical dating simulations please.

 

[Master Chief]

Not really Pakistan loving lobby mostly Punjabis & Northerners in India with their liberal leaning friends have actively promoted coexistence with concessions & initiations from Indian side for decades.

Which is reflected in constant pressure by them to start dialogue, trade, restoring IWT or even demilitarization of Siachen , they were very effective , now they have lost the plot & have little grip on the current government.

India is now purely transactional & is focused on domestic issues , thus their won't be initiation from Indian side but a heavy reaction is expected.

Oh no! Those terrible secularist nehruvian libtards who sought genuine lasting peace with Pakistan!

Why do hindustanis genuinely believe with all their heart and soul that Pakistanis have been so ill informed that we will fall for this gibberish that certain Indians want peace and/or prosperity for Pakistan while others don't?

Do you think we're unaware of your sordid history?

Nehru is but the mask. He knew what was being hidden from public view. His views and those of Golwalkar were identical regarding Pakistan. Our nation's very existence is a deep blight on the "10,000 year history of India".

"Pakijjtan loving lobby" though! Do keep it up!

 

[Sparten]

You have missile bases dispersed across grid lines up and down Pakistan and can expand if needed.

But AD is another issue which requires building redundancies, processes and protections for systems to keep things hidden and mobile.

For a country who until 2005 had one Sa-2 site protecting Islamabad with token Crotale’s - while everything else was Manpad along with a massive heap of Inshallah - it takes time and you’re a long way from those dismal days.

Your neighbor already had layered AD at both airbases and across field formations while your best bet was two guys on a stinger or manning visual AA guns

The threat in 2005 was from aircraft, and few Indian Aircraft were effective at anything above 5000 feet. Therefore, lots of SHORAD was a smart option.
Indian AD was SA6 and SA11, neither of which, even in 2005, was much of a danger. hell the H2/H4 was developwd with MKI in mind, not their GBAD.

 

[White Privilege]

There is a massive focus change which is also why many of you are waiting on "visible" procurement news and frustrated because it is "jero bisibibility"

The MEA conflict is causing another shift focused on scale - and even countries with the latest and greatest are pivoting to how much more effective cheap swarms are even if you lost 90% of them to air defenses.

Your neighbors have been smartly focused on that at VERY VERY high gear while you are too but perhaps not that much.

Think CRPA(which you are considering) but the Indians are looking to get via Russia/Israeli and other sources which will make your past successes in spoofing rather useless so you're forced to expend kinetic elements.
In return you're investing in more last mile systems and leaving the more expensive procurements for fixed wing or higher priced threats.

These are not cheap - but your enemy is scaling both in air and sea based unmanned systems to bypass your A2/AD systems.

Think a typical fishing boat that you will ignore and the Indians have packed with explosives that comes and rams into a submarine you are about to deploy.
So much for Harbah's or Smash.

You're falling behind in certain spaces while ahead in others - but this is where it is slowly going - they are trying their best to find shoot and scoot systems in Arty which you got ahead in and made them show white flags in certain places because their CTR bty systems simply could not react fast enough EVEN WITH UAV surveillance.

So - dont be disheartened if you dont see J=35s or new vipers - the game is moving to where you should be more interested in whether some random factory in Chiniot is in reality churning out 50 suicide munitions per week.

That is why I advocate for agressive attack options instead of complete focus on defense and spoofing. Whatever success they could hope to achieve , we should overmatch that by devastating their prized industrial units worth millions and churning out millions in terms of output. Deterrence is the way to go, not 'chappay chappay ki hifazat'.....