Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Ali_Baba]

Rafales missing serial numbers participating in Ex Pitch Black. Sinking the lowest of low. That's just hilarious

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The shameful thing for that is them is that ALL the professional air arms now know that the IAF lost the following, so in reality there is no value in hiding anything anymore. Their standing amongst their peers is as useful as a used toilet roll, regardless of how many foreign exercises they do.

4 x Rafales ( BS-001, BS-021, BS-022, and BS-027 ), Su30MKI, Mig-29, Mirage-2000 in shootdowns.

And a further 4 Rafales that were written off after combat after they limped home, making a grand total of 11 planes.

 

[maxpane]

Rafales missing serial numbers participating in Ex Pitch Black. Sinking the lowest of low. That's just hilarious

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Damn never expected that they go that low. But that way they expose themselves badly.
Indians will say its been done for the protection of rafale from enemy.

 

[Yasser76]

Damn never expected that they go that low. But that way they expose themselves badly.
Indians will say its been done for the protection of rafale from enemy.

Just so cringe on so many levels, how does anyone take them seriously?

 

[PK781]

Just so cringe on so many levels, how does anyone take them seriously?

that's why no one took them seriously on/after the May 2025, and that continues on. Slowly and increasingly, most countries realized and now are ditching/dumping them completely having realized they;re just scammers and fakers.
They're now just about ready and close to imploding from within. You can only hide shit for so long under the carpet and pretend all is ok. The JayWanker has gone utterly quiet as well.

The west is on its own decline and can no longer support the idiotic indian hegemonic designs or fakery. They don't give a shit anymore. india is now on its own, even the Russians don't favor them anymore as Russia chooses to align with China and West Asia with the real power brokers and real militaries.

 

[Oscar]

Rafales missing serial numbers participating in Ex Pitch Black. Sinking the lowest of low. That's just hilarious

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They have done the flypast focused on Brahmos and Scalp -
Calling it our repeatedly.
Poor meteor, S-400 or anything else is out of the picture in their praises for now.

 

[Oscar]

that's why no one took them seriously on/after the May 2025, and that continues on. Slowly and increasingly, most countries realized and now are ditching/dumping them completely having realized they;re just scammers and fakers.
They're now just about ready and close to imploding from within. You can only hide shit for so long under the carpet and pretend all is ok. The JayWanker has gone utterly quiet as well.

The west is on its own decline and can no longer support the idiotic indian hegemonic designs or fakery. They don't give a shit anymore. india is now on its own, even the Russians don't favor them anymore as Russia chooses to align with China and West Asia with the real power brokers and real militaries.

To be fair - the way they executed SCALP strikes post losing air superiority over anything west of Ludhiana or Jodhpur is commendable. Using AEWs to find gaps in Pakistan's AEW patrols and cueing them into these narrow windows at low level for drops.

It was good.

 

[PK781]

Just so cringe on so many levels, how does anyone take them seriously?

bro to be honest, i find it hard to take them seriously, in my own department at work these days as well. Can't take them seriously at all

 

[Trailer23]

To be fair - the way they executed SCALP strikes post losing air superiority over anything west of Ludhiana or Jodhpur is commendable. Using AEWs to find gaps in Pakistan's AEW patrols and cueing them into these narrow windows at low level for drops.

It was good.

Sure, we can give them some credit...

But the element of surprise does give the adversary some benefits. They do have Radars. They probably did their homework about our patrols, the distance and all that.

Plus..., the most important thing is that they had all the time in the World to plan - kind of similar to post Pulwama in 2019.

I believe it is and has been harder for us to quickly react by getting airborne with our boys in ADA.

 

[Trailer23]

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[Oscar]

Sure, we can give them some credit...

But the element of surprise does give the adversary some benefits. They do have Radars. They probably did their homework about our patrols, the distance and all that.

Plus..., the most important thing is that they had all the time in the World to plan - kind of similar to post Pulwama in 2019.

I believe it is and has been harder for us to quickly react by getting airborne with our boys in ADA.

After every iteration of their plan they do learn.
Right now they have figured going air combat is not the way and they are going to have relatively more success with loitering munitions than Pakistan has.

They saw your spoofing - and have countered against it while setting up vast spoofing of their own that will negate your PL-15s and even DL measures you are taking.

Your best bet is to churn out so much cheap munitions for 1 ways that you can afford to lose 99 out of 100 to hit 1 target because you have 5000 more in stock and every other workshop across GT road and M2 churning out more- and then coming up with whatever facade these defense pacts give.

 

[PK781]

After every iteration of their plan they do learn.
Right now they have figured going air combat is not the way and they are going to have relatively more success with loitering munitions than Pakistan has.

They saw your spoofing - and have countered against it while setting up vast spoofing of their own that will negate your PL-15s and even DL measures you are taking.

Your best bet is to churn out so much cheap munitions for 1 ways that you can afford to lose 99 out of 100 to hit 1 target because you have 5000 more in stock and every other workshop across GT road and M2 churning out more- and then coming up with whatever facade these defense pacts give.

Question really is about how far damage can be tolerated before launching the nukes when it becomes about the existence....i am assuming it won't be very far in the overall equation, specially when water sources are cut or threatened.

 

[Psyko70]

Why cant we have a balance analysis. One says we did best other says indians have learned and wont do same. As if pakistan is sitting idle. Already work on alternate approaches rather than using pl15 and awacs for air dominance is in works. Too many new drones indigenous or imported are going to play a role from pakistan. So right now it should be debated whose out of munitions and equipment before the other, The amount of damage sustained by both. If its just drone attacks or the way usa attacks iran, I dont think nukes will be needed. Nukes are last resort.

 

[rafale]

After every iteration of their plan they do learn.
Right now they have figured going air combat is not the way and they are going to have relatively more success with loitering munitions than Pakistan has.

They saw your spoofing - and have countered against it while setting up vast spoofing of their own that will negate your PL-15s and even DL measures you are taking.

Your best bet is to churn out so much cheap munitions for 1 ways that you can afford to lose 99 out of 100 to hit 1 target because you have 5000 more in stock and every other workshop across GT road and M2 churning out more- and then coming up with whatever facade these defense pacts give.

Curious.......how will spoofing against PL15 work? Like what system(s) are they procuring? How will it work?

and again, it was PL15 this time....next time might be PL-XY.....

Also, for Indians it was never a question of what they could procure.........on paper Rafales and MKIs were supposed to be superior to anything Pakistan has.......their problem was and will remain (for a while) how to employ the different systems in a pure tactics point of view. Doubt you can import or change human ingrained mindsets as quickly as you can issue purchase orders for new munitions.........

 

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