Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[flyingorca]

You guys do not know how important these pictures are. This basically means every single S-400 9M96 debri that Indian military fan boys were labeling as Fatah 1 now proves not a single Fatah 1 or 2 was intercepted by Indian AD. No debri means no interception. At most they were successful at intercepting A-100 which is non maneuverable MLRS and drones.



S-400 9M96 Missile




Fatah-1

 

[flyingorca]

ye jisne video le k upload ki foran foran uski sharif lal kerni thi but i bet nothing happend to that bastard

No bro, we are not like India who need to hide losses. And C-130 was never hit.

 

[side-winder]

On a related note.

Bad weather aborted Op Sindoor strike on Skardu: Ex-CDS Chauhan​

Giving details, he said Pakistan reached out to India at around 10 am on May 10 for talks. It was around this time that the IAF sought clearance to strike the Sargodha air base. “The Air Chief asked me whether we should strike Sargodha. I said, ‘Go ahead’. I said, ‘Please identify two more targets’. So one of the targets he identified was Skardu,” the former CDS said.

https://dailypioneer.com/news/bad-weather-aborted-op-sindoor-strike-on-skardu-excds-chauhan

I can provide more accurate timelines than CDS sahb. Lol

Missiles on sargodha were launched from surat garh around 0900 hrs. The videos on OSINT started coming around 0930 hrs.

While as per CDS sahb, at 10 am (0930 PST). Talks were going on before clearance was given for strike -

 

[Oscar]

What if you can’t fly the machine to its full potential like on a strike mission across the border because every sortie you fly is audited by the supplier how is that even effective in war time? It’s like buying a car on credit . The stipulations on the contract is you can’t exceed 60MPH when it’s capable of 120 you can’t drive too far out of the neighbourhood you live in .
The whole thing about the enemy’s mental health / delusions doesn’t really bother me.
I’ll say this The Pakistan armed forces historically has never gone in for the kill this includes in both war time and in procurement .

Now you're shooting baseless hypotheticals - there is NOTHING IN THE CONTRACT.
Have you seen the contract to speculate?
Do you think its the contract that held you back or perhaps other completely unrelated factors that had nothing to do with the F-16?

 

[Oscar]

So seems like a lot of the actual weapons and tactics work will be ff loaded to the operational squadrons then right? (BVR fighting, Sniper pod, air to ground, recce training etc)

Yes - and also to the older AM/BM frames. So from a pure OCU perspective 19 works out perfectly.

 

[Oscar]

Total bull. They ran to the Americans for a ceasefire within hours if anything. Rest is hogwash.

More along the lines of - they tried X vector and it had some success but did not put Sargodha out of commission - as they prepped vector Y they were "told" Pakistan would bring in vector Z into play then.

It was a gingerly balance on both sides more balanced military commanders to not lose control despite idiocy in Dehli.


On a different note - when we were doing our scenarios here back in 2022. This is what it was called -Saffron Fury

The date on that btw is

 

[Oscar]

Ex CDC went further and said next attack orders were given ....two targets ... Saghoda and skardu......even this could be a statement for local audience .....but have some serious concerns also about their future plans....

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The problem with Skardu is there is "potentially" another source of EM coverage that exposes them from the east.


Their best bet against Skardu is between the valleys pop up strikes with Spice.

 

[NA71]

More along the lines of - they tried X vector and it had some success but did not put Sargodha out of commission - as they prepped vector Y they were "told" Pakistan would bring in vector Z into play then.

It was a gingerly balance on both sides more balanced military commanders to not lose control despite idiocy in Dehli.


On a different note - when we were doing our scenarios here back in 2022. This is what it was called -Saffron Fury View attachment 213348

The date on that btw is
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Date is shown September 15, 2026????

 

[Be dazzled]

 

[SilentWatch]

I an Indian expat tonight on the fact Rafael giray and if sindoor Ajj unpause karna kal karna hai? Surprise or set a date in a few years… we are ready (are we ? Boys haven’t been reading reading for a while )

Kashmir is our water need - India can shoot as many “big birds “ making their air chief bullshit -

One day ISPR will say, 4th battle of panipat as begun today

War goals:
Wakkan corridor
Kashmir + extra A370 land tax penalty
Water heads lands secured

 

[Yasser76]

Yes - and also to the older AM/BM frames. So from a pure OCU perspective 19 works out perfectly.

Yes, but this means the OCU is not sending properly trained pilots to the frontline Sqds right?
I guess my point is 5, 9 and 11 may well be spending an disproportinate amount of time training pilots on some basics.

 

[Oscar]

Yes, but this means the OCU is not sending properly trained pilots to the frontline Sqds right?
I guess my point is 5, 9 and 11 may well be spending an disproportinate amount of time training pilots on some basics.

What hours go where?
More importantly - what hours that a simulator cannot replicate effectively do you need an actual airframe for?

Consider that - and then you'll see you actually have a pretty cost effective gain in the ADFs.

 

[Oscar]

Have you seen the one in which BS is asked about Abhi kill and this gentleman in FRONT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE goes:

"He(abhi) did not claim the kill, WE DO."
"Because we were monitoring his RT calls - you know what he selected(in terms of weapons) and what not...and he was the only one in the area".

So, the pilot who is one with morals knows he has not launched a single weapon off the rail did not claim a thing but his superiors have equated his RT calls to select a weapon as verified kill because he was shot down in the vicinity of a F-16 even though no wreckage or otherwise or any other third source has even suggested a F-16 was hit.



Imagine that same logic being applied to all their claims in Sindoor.

 

[Goenitz]

I was really hoping that on PAF day (07 Sept), we would release something (like we did in 2019, though it was the same year back then)