Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

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کرنل صوفیہ قریشی نے لگتا ہے میرا ڈرون بھی رات کو دیکھا ہوگا

 

[NA71]

Entire Rafale fleet is grounded By IAF

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Good for you, great to hear that. But remember that China is the only country actually benefiting from this bloodshed. Not India, definitely not Pakistan.

You started this mess.

And China didn't ask you to attack Pakistan without any pretext.

 

[Cash gk]

Air Forces only go where their Army sends them.

Are you saying Air Force chief is controlled by army chief? Are you oky? Are you okay? They have Sam pay grade. according to my knowledge.

 

[RescueRanger]

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[Pakistan First]

I agree with you in that Khwaja Asif needs to be barred from speaking to foreign media and we need a more capable, eloquent face to Pakistani PR.
Beside that, what severe lack of leadership now vs. the past? Did the Indians not try in 2019? Was Balakot attack attempt not in mainland Pakistan when the predecessors of the incumbents were in charge? Also, did IIOK revocation of 370 not happen in that time? Under whose watch did that happen? I don't think now is the time to get into a political tiff, so we should avoid putting a political color on this.
External factors influenced by a foreign country have nothing to do with what is going on internally.
The entire Army is engaged. All the services chiefs and their staff are working round the clock out of their operations directorates to ensure Pakistan defends and delivers a calibrated response.
There will be plenty of time to introspect after this is over. While we are in it, we should stand together instead of taking pot shots at each other. I can guarantee even if you were leading the nation right now, people would have issues with it.

My responses are already in the original post to which you replied. But still lets dissect:

what severe lack of leadership now vs. the past?

Never in a living memory of any Pakistani (except 71) that India had dared to humiliate national soverignity of Pakistan in a manner they did this time. Just imagine for yourself Karachi, Lahore, Rawalpindi and atleast 9 other cities. Its unimaginable that they treated us like this despite us having 6th largest military and nuclear power and a stronger airforce then theirs. They were only able to do this because they saw severe lack of leadership in Pakistan.


Also, did IIOK revocation of 370 not happen in that time?

So? Did they changed any laws of Azad Kashmir and forced upon us? Its so ridiculous that people blamed it on Pakistani state as if they gave some territory from their control to india. Revocation of 370 didn't changed ABSOLUTELY Nothing on ground. IOK was ALREADY in total India's control before doing it. Pakistani military was not in Srinagar or elsewhere. It was PMLN pathetic political scoring that pretended as if Srinagar and whole of IOK was in Pakistani control but the state of Pakistan sold it lol. Indians just changed their own laws about it. Do you really really expect india will ask Pakistan's permission for that??? China too has reservations over 370 revocation because they also have claims on parts of region. So did india snatched land from China too by just changing their laws? Reality is always whats on ground. You take territory with physical power. Those internal laws do jackshit. In response Pak also changed its official maps and included whole Kashmir in its official map. Did that changed reality on ground? No control of each country on actual territory they held, is same as it was before 370 or changing maps.

How IWT is millions times more intense than 370 ?

Because unlike IOK (which was not even in our control), the 3 western rivers were in total Pakistani control according to IWT. Pakistan was entitled to use the waters of these rivers. This was our rivers and our water. India was unable to suspend IWT in all major wars. Modi was unable to do it in pulwama, balakot incidents. How come india became so bold that they literally suspended this treaty. Water is lifeline!


Time for Unity!

Exactly that's what we expect from any govt / military who has even 1% concern for unity or soviernity of the nation. When people say that the genuine leader (according to mandate) is imprisoned on absolutely baseless charges, maybe its time to unite the nation and bring him. We also witnessed what Pakistan did on a brief violation of our sovereignty when he was in charge. You maybe well aware how the current illegal setup of form 47 govt is making a narrative from first minute of the attack is that we already have given retaliation. Infact we have not even initiated any form of retaliation. India is constantly doing onslaught aggression and we are constantly doing defensive action, downing of fighter jets, downing of drones are all purely defensive actions. A defensive action is NEVER a retaliation. Indian humiliation of our national sovereignty can only be retaliated with the attack of same manner.

We are 100% with the armed forces and we expect nothing short of retaliation that DGISPR had promised.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The benefit goes to you only. Cheering from the sidelines and selling more arms to Pakistan.

No body else is benefiting from the bloodshed.

And who start this bloodshed?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

"without any civilization" are you Indian, what are you saying?

we are often told not to relate our selves to arabic muslims because we belong to hindustan. Instead, we believe in two nations, who would evolve differently in the future

 

[Lone Ranger]

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[ChineseTiger1986]

You are confusing JD Vance's Indian Hindu wife, with Hegseth's wife. who is a white lady and from all indications christian.

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Hindutva fascists are the staunch supporters of the maga neo-nazi fascists.

Even the liberal democrats now got infuriated by them.

 

[Musings]

Will Pakistan retaliate? If so, then when could that be?

Why you got butt hurt?
You attack a sovereign nation with no proof of anything after a false flag took place 2 weeks ago? You lost 5 planes and want to know when we going to attack you?
You ought to hide your little brown face in shame.

 

[Cash gk]

"This wasn’t a dogfight. It was an ambush"

The funny thing is, as some of their fighter jets were returning after dropping stand-by missiles from the Indian border, they didn’t realize the hunters were already waiting. PL-15 missiles locked onto them from behind—right when they thought they were safely heading back. They were being watched the whole time.

A prime example is the Rafale jet that went down just some mile away from its own base—the very airport it was supposed to be stationed at.

 

[Musings]

Funny, you're saying indians are shah se jyada shah ke wafadar. Have you ever looked at Pakistans history? USA then, now China... Ring a bell?

Parmanu multi ID rat. Sent packing. You can’t come reincarnation of a new ID and get away with it.

 

[Corax]

Seems like PAF has established air superiority, IAF looks like it's grounded, perfect chance to exact a response.

 

[Cash gk]

Entire Rafale fleet is grounded By IAF

That was expected