Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[gamaji]

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So, finally the foreign military observers have started to acknowledge that India lost 5 planes and two drones on 7th of May. According to James Wood, one Rafale was even shot down 10km from its own runway, mid-takeoff, defenceless.

"This wasn’t just a skirmish. It was a live-fire commercial for China’s defence industry and a serious blow to the West’s military prestige."

 

[StormBreaker]

Who is the paf guy in the press conference..... That guy is so chill and in a jolly mood.

Konsi press conference

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

They had a call sign godzilla of Rafael formation but india ka tha Godzilla not japan

Rat-zilla, digging up a mountain to unveil a tiny mouse


The intial reports did suggest up to 14 Rafael were locked and on menu to be shot but approval was granted for only 3-5

What is new is that Sukhoi incident was in different location based on map image shared above

 

[Fasbre2]

In addition to Chicken's neck blockage and take over of N.E Indian states by China and Bangladesh, if the war in Indian Occupied Kashmir flares up as expected, Pakistan can also invite China to take over Ladakh while Pakistan takes over Indian Occupied Kashmir. With the Indian Air Force grounded, their army is a sitting duck for the Pakistan Air Force. In this way the river water dispute would also be won for ever.

Do not forget they still have an effective SAM network.. without neutralising that it would be foolhardy to venture too much across the border..

 

[mulj]

The biggest crime of the rich GCC is to let massive numbers of Indian workers into their countries where Pakistanis, Bangladeshi, Eastern Europeans, East Asians could have done the job just as well. The NY Times ran a major story years ago, something like 'The Indianization of the Middle East'
Oh you Arabs! At least you can kick out the Indians in your midst?? Can't you see they are Zionist supporters cheering for the death of your own kins in Gaza?!

Astonishing stupidity and naivety but beside that more important thing what they missed to do is setting up Pakistan as proper industrial power house with vast and affordable work force and use that for what they do best which is trade, so obvious win win situation but they made their choice by vanity and urgent greed to satisfy.

 

[R2D3]

Are you really that naive?

I am audacious!

 

[natrix]

DG ISPR confirmed that the reports of Indian jet debris crashing into a school was true with satellite image

 

[Falcon Junoon]

You seem to be under the impression that a response is completely agnostic to everything else that is going on. Financial, diplomatic, internal security, enemy initiative, movements of OTHER forces beyond India and Pakistan in the region.

But no - lets be angry young men with absolutely no idea of life’s responsibilities in projecting our internal emotions onto the massively complex ecosystem that is a state and global existence.

"Financial, Diplomatic, Internal Security, ... ... blah blah" are just excuses to hide cowardice.

DO your remember 1st day of Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique's (R.A.) Caliphate?
People were sorrow, Byzantine was at gates & all that was compounded by 2 civil wars - no zakat & false prophets.
Some People advised Caliph: "Our economy is not great. Numbers are less. Population in rebelling against us. We can't fight a superpower (Byzantine) in this position. Call of Usama's army expedition & 1st focus on Economy. ... ..."*
Caliph replied: "I can't hold back Usama's expedition as it's ordered by Prophet PBUH. His expedition will go as ordered. I'll simultaneously fight against those who don't give Zakat as paying Zakat is Allah's order. Also I will fight against false prophets. ... ..."* Historians wrote all Muslim Men went to these 3 battles including Caliph. Only women remained in Madina.
Now tell me, is Pak's economic or internal security situation is more worse than 1st day of Khilafat-e-Raashda?

As Iqbal has stated in Jwab-e-Shikwa - one reason of downfall is excuses/maslehat

کون ہے تارکِ آئینِ رسُولِ مختارؐ؟
مصلحت وقت کی ہے کس کے عمل کا معیار؟
کس کی آنکھوں میں سمایا ہے شعارِ اغیار؟
ہوگئی کس کی نِگہ طرزِ سلَف سے بیزار؟
قلب میں سوز نہیں، رُوح میں احساس نہیں
کچھ بھی پیغامِ محمّدؐ کا تمھیں پاس نہیں


(P.S: Talks in "*" are not exact quotes. I have read this incident in Wikipedia and reproduced it here in my own wordings)

 

[JJones]

Around 34 Rafale jets were used in this attack. You could say if one jet went down, maybe it was a fluke. If a second went down, you might give them the benefit of the doubt. But when around 34 fighter jets are involved in an operation against Pakistan and several of them take damage or are lost, then it’s no longer a coincidence—it’s a massive failure. You can imagine yourself how big this setback really is.

Most Indians who have some level of education will now admit 1 Rafale, 1 Su30, 1 Mirage2k - possible 1 Mig 29. They had two weeks to prep - they already knew they were being jammed a few days before. They knew Pak AF has been training and gaming with Qatari Rafales. PAK AF already knows the ins and outs of the SU30, 2Ks and Mig29s (data from China's own inventory and Pak pilots who fly for UAE). The whole world knew China shipped new missiles a week after the Kashmir terrorist attack, and yet they still lost several birds within an hour.
Air Chief Marshall Singh - brilliant pilot that he was - will be gone before end of summer. I think this is a case of great battalian leader - nerfed divisional commander.

 

[SD 10]

Konsi press conference

Abhi chal rhi hai tv pe ..... Dunya news.

 

[arjunk]

Again - I always say to such bluster - if you are so convinced you can do a better job - please apply for it.

Let’s say only 2 jets were downed - then they were downed while outnumbered 3:1.
Not sure where else that has happened in modern air combat.

There were likely 40+ civilians killed - not 26 -
Mosques or not is irrelevant.

What’s been done in response is known to Indians on LoC - and elsewhere.

However, unlike the Indian economy Pakistan is on life support.
So when the entire world is saying hold off otherwise we’ll choke your citizens to death you have considerations to take which let’s be honest neither you nor I will be impacted by but those sitting in Pakistan looking at reduced electricity production, fuel prices unaffordable, no water for crops, no transport and infrastructure working will face. All the “I want blood” goes away when you cannot pay for food or fuel.

Even those living in Pakistan making boisterous statements haven’t seen the impact of complete strangulation because that is the message your brothers have landed with yesterday.

Consequences of having a khusra civilian-feudal leadership who wants nothing more but to fatten their stomachs and indulge in foreign loans and land cruisers.

The nationalism sparked from this conflict MUST be channeled into breaking the self serving societal rot for long lasting change.

 

[JamD]

Call me old fashioned jernail but maybe we can use the threat of escalation to "seek rent" from places like the GCC states that probably don't want to respond. Maybe that's a bargain worth doing @Oscar

 

[Oscar]

"Financial, Diplomatic, Internal Security, ... ... blah blah" are just excuses to hide cowardice.

DO your remember 1st day of Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique's (R.A.) Caliphate?
People were sorrow, Byzantine was at gates & all that was compounded by 2 civil wars - no zakat & false prophets.
Some People advised Caliph: "Our economy is not great. Numbers are less. Population in rebelling against us. We can't fight a superpower (Byzantine) in this position. Call of Usama's army expedition & 1st focus on Economy. ... ..."
Caliph replied: "I can't hold back Usama's expedition as it's ordered by Prophet PBUH. His expedition will go as ordered. I'll simultaneously fight against those who don't give Zakat as paying Zakat is Allah's order. Also I will fight against false prophets. ... ..." Historians wrote all Muslim Men went to these 3 battles including Caliph. Only women remained in Madina.
Now tell me, is Pak's economic or internal security situation is more worse than 1st day of Khilafat-e-Raashda?

As Iqbal has stated in Jwab-e-Shikwa - one reason of downfall is excuses/maslehat

کون ہے تارکِ آئینِ رسُولِ مختارؐ؟
مصلحت وقت کی ہے کس کے عمل کا معیار؟
کس کی آنکھوں میں سمایا ہے شعارِ اغیار؟
ہوگئی کس کی نِگہ طرزِ سلَف سے بیزار؟
قلب میں سوز نہیں، رُوح میں احساس نہیں
کچھ بھی پیغامِ محمّدؐ کا تمھیں پاس نہیں

You are MOST welcome to head to the border and prove yourself.
Or even go to Waziristan - 8 men embraced martyrdom - they need replacement.
Plenty of young men to grind away.

The rest is just parroting religion nitpicked for the current scenario to feel good inside - without even applying to something as basic as maintaining discipline, respect and dignity for fellow Pakistanis in day to day lives.

 

[ghazi52]

Who is the paf guy in the press conference..... That guy is so chill and in a jolly mood.

Director General Public Relations (DGPR) of the Pakistan Air Force, Air Vice Marshal Aurangzeb Ahmed

 

[Foinikas]

Around 34 Rafale jets were used in this attack. You could say if one jet went down, maybe it was a fluke. If a second went down, you might give them the benefit of the doubt. But when around 34 fighter jets are involved in an operation against Pakistan and several of them take damage or are lost, then it’s no longer a coincidence—it’s a massive failure. You can imagine yourself how big this setback really is.

But that's the problem,we don't know how many were actually lost or damaged.