Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

abdulbarijan said:
I remember talking about with my relatives as to the fact that we Pakistanis since 2010's have seen war. Normal civilians have seen death tolls in the 50's-100's on a daily basis. Personally used to wonder sometimes if we get back home and would we still have all our relatives. That is the reality our nation has lived and we've endured through it. Our military has been engaged in conflict since a decade and is likewise battle hardened.

On the other hand the everyday normal Indians are getting the first taste of what a conflict looks like. Years of bollywood with movie effects, propaganda war, indoctrination of their children believing that they won every war had them in their bedrooms cheerleading for war believing that the fire won't reach them. Now that, thats out of the picture, and you can see clearly the fear and doubt creeping in.

I know the timing of G-7 and other countries trying to intervene as asking for peace might disturb many seeing as no such calls were made when Pakistanis were on the receiving end, but if a compromise is made here with our strategic goals of forcing India back in to IWT and reconsidering the matter of Article 370, it is a clear and decisive victory for Pakistan and most likely will deter India and Indians for years to come InshaAllah!
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and expanding a little bit from Haji Pir Pass or Sialkot side. I mean we have pt5353, and India didn't mind. It will also save Nepa valley
 
SteppeWolff said:
What makes u assume this? Nothing they have done yet that can justify reaching the nuclear threshold.
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This is second time when two nuclear weaponized states are dragger drawn against each other.
Last time, after operation swift retort things died down because of international pressure but nuclear threat was still exist at that time. Now, the Indian leadership and its media are completely in different frame. I hope I am wrong, but I fear this war may escalate to tactical/strategic nuclear level.
 
Mirzali Khan said:
Khoon ka badla Khoon why does India have the right to kill Pakistani children?
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- India or any nation on earth has no right to kill children anywhere, intentional killing of unarmed civilians is a war crime.

- and the reason we don't commit a war crime, aside from the fact that it is a war crime is because unlike India, Pakistan and us Pakistanis haven't forsaken our humanity or our religious values which give CLEAR rules of engagement, no women, no children, no civilians -- only military targets.

- Lastly, "Khoon k badlay khoon" philosophy in a full blown military conflict won't get us anywhere, we're not irrational actors, this exchange might end now, or 20-30 days from now. What then? No one wants to side with irrational actors that commit crimes against humanity. Case in point, remove the US support (which they practically buy in the election cycles via AIPAC) and literally no one stands with Israel.
 
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Khanivore said:
Could it be true?

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Bro it’s been an hour since this pilot news if it was true we’d be flooded with videos now
 
Beijingwalker said:

At least two Indian jets appear to have crashed during Pakistan strikes, visuals show​

May 9 2025
Washingtonpost

In a review of visuals posted online, The Post verified debris consistent with at least two French-made fighter jets flown by the Indian air force.

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Metal debris lies on the ground in Wuyan in India-administered Kashmir's Pulwama district on Wednesday. (Sharafat Ali/Reuters)

India’s air force appears to have lost at least two fighter jets, including one of its most advanced models, during attacks Wednesday morning on sites in Pakistan and Pakistani-administered Kashmir, according to a review of visual evidence by The Washington Post.

Islamabad said Wednesday it had downed five Indian warplanes. New Delhi has neither confirmed nor denied the Pakistani claims; India’s military and its ministry of external affairs did not respond to a request for comment.

In a review of more than a dozen images and videos posted online in the aftermath of the strikes, The Post verified debris consistent with at least two French-made fighter jets flown by the Indian Air Force — a Rafale and a Mirage 2000.

The Post based its findings on analysis by Trevor Ball, a former explosive ordnance disposal technician for the U.S. Army; Etienne Marcuz, an associate fellow at the Foundation for Strategic Research; and a French airpower expert with military experience who shared his analysis on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. The experts could not determine whether the planes were shot down or crashed due to other reasons. The fate of the pilots was also unclear.
The loss of multiple fighter jets would represent the worst setback in battle for India’s air force in recent memory; in 2019, during the last round of fighting between the nuclear-armed neighbors, India acknowledged one of its jets was shot down by Pakistan.

India’s strikes inside Pakistan — launched in retaliation for a deadly militant attack on tourists last month in Indian-administered Kashmir — were the deepest in more than half a century; mutual accusations of drone attacks and border violations in the days that followed have brought the archrivals to the brink of full-scale conflict.
“There’s a lot of political weight being put behind the planes because neither side has yet crossed a threshold of full-scale conventional warfare,” said Sameer Lalwani, a fellow at the D.C.-based Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.

The Rafale, manufactured by the French company Dassault Aviation, is an advanced fighter aircraft first delivered to India in 2019 — one of the country’s most significant purchases in recent years as it has sought to modernize its air force and compete with regional powers like China.

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United States Air Force and Indian Air Force personnel pose in front of a Rafale fighter jet during a joint exercise in India on April 24, 2023. (Debajyoti Chakraborty/NurPhoto/AP)

The word “Rafale” is stenciled in white on the vertical stabilizer in one image of the wreckage, alongside the letters “BS 001” and an Indian flag. The markings matched those on the vertical stabilizer of an Indian air force Rafale seen in images posted online in 2021.
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Indian flag and serial number
“Rafale” marking
Image widely shared on X shows what experts said was a vertical stabilizer of a Rafale aircraft.

The Post could not independently geolocate the images of the wreckage, which were said to have been taken near the village of Akalia Khurd in Punjab, about 45 miles from India’s border with Pakistan. But they did not appear to have been posted online before Wednesday, and local reports said Indian military authorities had responded to a crash in the area and collected the wreckage. One farmer was killed by a postcrash blast after being the first to reach the site, the Indian Express reported.

Other photos taken in Wuyan, a village in Indian-administered Kashmir about 80 miles from the Pakistani border, showed what all three experts agreed was an external fuel tank belonging to a Mirage 2000, an older fighter aircraft also manufactured by Dassault that entered Indian military service in the 1980s.

Fuel tanks can be jettisoned in response to a mechanical failure or combat damage, or to make a jet more maneuverable in battle, so are not on their own proof of a crash. But just a quarter-mile away, eyewitnesses reported a plane crashing into a primary school soon after the Indian strikes began. Part of a jet engine is visible within the flaming wreckage of the school in a video posted the night of the attack, according to Ball and the French airpower expert, which suggests an aircraft went down there.
Another video, posted Thursday by the school on Facebook, showed schoolgirls picking up fallen tree limbs and commentators expressing hope it would be rebuilt.

Yet another video, which The Post could not geolocate but which multiple accounts said was filmed near Akalia Khurd, showed an unexploded French-made MICA missile on the ground, still attached to its launcher, the experts said. Such a missile and launcher could be attached to either a Rafale or a Mirage, they said.

“These missile launch rails are attached to the aircraft, and it being on the ground, along with the large fire in the background indicates a crash likely occurred,” Ball said.
The Post identified an apparent third crash site in Akhnoor, in Indian-administered Kashmir, based on videos and news reports from the day, but it was not possible to determine what type of aircraft was in the wreckage from the available visuals.

Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif said Pakistani planes never entered Indian territory and only shot down the Indian aircraft after they had “delivered their payload.”

Arzan Tarapore, a research scholar focusing on Indian military strategy at Stanford University, said India’s silence on the planes was unsurprising.

“The Indian government during a crisis is typically very guarded about operational details,” he said. “It’s harder to be restrained and control the trajectory of the crisis if you admit to severe losses.”

Sushant Singh, a Yale University lecturer and former Indian military official, said the lack of comment from New Delhi has also allowed Pakistan to “claim a win, and maybe that could be an off-ramp” for escalation.

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Oh, hey. What's up?

Question? How's China and the citizenry looking at all this mess?
 
It's was a suicide mission to knock s400. One lone JF. Got damaged but back home safely. Repaired and raring to go again. Brave brave pilot. May Allah protect and reward him and all our warriors on grounds, air and see.

2 more s400 to go.
 
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