Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Mobius said:
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Offcourse, like the fake ceasefire in Gaza. Israel regrouped and analyzed and attacked again.

India will also attack again - they are not finished because they were humiliated.

But this time China, Turkey + Azerbaijan will do the same: stiffing Pakistan with weapons, knowledge and technology. So Pakistan can smash harder this time for Gazwa Hind.
 
NA71 said:
Modi today announced in speech:

1.Operation Sindhor will continue ...as planned.

2. The pause is for calling off Pakistan nuclear bluff.

3. India will only talk on Pakistani occupid Kashmir ...no more points.

4. Any more terror attack ...india will now respond to any place in Pakistan becuase the terrorism in India is being sponsered by pak establishment and govt.

5. Nuclear threat will be met with matching response.

6. In days to come the world will see our new war.
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Hindutva thug Narendra Modi will need some repeat beatings before his thick skull gets it. He has not held been accountable since the Gujrat massacre in 2002.
 
Wood said:
I'm very relieved that the recent standoff between the two nuclear-armed nations ended before spiraling out of control. For a couple of tense days, it really felt like we were heading toward an inevitable nuclear confrontation. Thankfully, the worst seems to have been avoided—for now. Hopefully, things can return to some semblance of normalcy, allowing the people of both countries to focus on everyday life rather than the threat of war.
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It did not ended just fragile truce.
Wood said:
It appears both nations have walked away with just enough to claim a win, while also conceding enough for the other side to do the same—perhaps the best possible outcome under the circumstances. Here's my attempt at a neutral summary, though admittedly from an Indian perspective:
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Not per modi and per indian public which is fuming on state propaganda already, although censorship and fasistic indian mass media might delude masses again.
Wood said:
a. India may have succeeded in signaling a shift in its response to major terrorist attacks. By treating asymmetric attacks as equivalent to conventional warfare, India seems to have established a precedent that its retaliatory responses will be similar in both cases. This shift appears to have been one of the core goals of India's initial action.
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It is big may as for that response they paid tremendous areal defeat and provoked firm answer which will be guaranteed in future also, so what is the value of shift if it will ensure more military drawbacks in future.

Wood said:
b. Unlike the 2019 Balakot incident, this time India had photographic evidence to substantiate its claims of striking targets inside Pakistan. More importantly, India managed to exploit the most apparent strategic weakness of Pakistan that stems from its geography—a vulnerability that will be difficult for them to address in the near term.
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Send the photos to the annual world press award as no tangible loss for Pakistan has been confirmed but if you are satisfied with minor impact suffering heavy losses pakistanis are probably too.
Wood said:
c. On the other hand, Pakistan demonstrated once again that its air force remains technically or tactically superior in direct engagements. While Pakistan claimed to have shot down five Indian jets, only two such losses have been confirmed via photographic evidence—one of which appears to be a Rafale. India has acknowledged these losses and has not presented comparable proof of similar damage inflicted on Pakistan.
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That gap will only increase, i give you that that they could work at least on state propaganda more like their opponent.
Wood said:
d. Pakistan’s integration of Chinese weapon systems seems to have reached a new level of maturity, rivaling the performance of its older American platforms. This is likely to cause concern for Indian defense planners, especially with the possibility of Pakistan acquiring fifth-generation Chinese fighter jets before India. If that happens, it could tilt air superiority in Pakistan's favor for the foreseeable future.
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Money is not the ultimate answer and you learnt that lesson painfully for the sake of Pakiston i hope that you will forget it fast and do your usual things.
Wood said:
e. On a positive note for India, its air defense systems reportedly performed well, successfully intercepting Pakistani missiles and defending against current-generation fighter aircraft. As the saying goes, "the proof of the pudding is in the eating"—and this time, Indian missile defense appears to have delivered.
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How when there they did not score any hit and at least 1 strategic being neutralized? You did well against drones launched by who knows who.
Wood said:
I fear that another conflict is inevitable—but I hope that it won't come any time soon.
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It will come sooner per your own logic, Kashmir will remain hot and you will forced to go in war as you self inflicted yourself with such stupid policy and overestimation of your own military forces.
Your own so called "achievement" in point a) is dead trap for indian politicians.
 
Wood said:
a. India may have succeeded in signaling a shift in its response to major terrorist attacks. By treating asymmetric attacks as equivalent to conventional warfare, India seems to have established a precedent that its retaliatory responses will be similar in both cases. This shift appears to have been one of the core goals of India's initial action.
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I recall from earlier interactions with you in the old PDF, you are a sensible PDF member from India.
Your post is overall decent, albeit with Indian POVs. That's of course fine. Except in this quoted part, India would be wrong to equate every firecracker in Indian Occupied Kashmir with a direct attack from Pakistan. There is absolutely no way Pakistan to stop sending fighters into IoK, IF it sends fighters into Kashmir, would be deterred by the Indian conventional strike in case something happens in IoK. But we know another 'incident' in IoK is guaranteed any minute because there are significant number of Kashmiris who want to target the Indian forces there. But IF this is the official Indian policy to strike Pakistan whenever something happens in IoK then I am afraid you are just setting up to strike Pakistan quickly and with overwhelming force whenever some attack in IoK happens. It is a dangerous policy and Pakistan should really focus on that.
 
NA71 said:
Modi today announced in speech:

1.Operation Sindhor will continue ...as planned.

2. The pause is for calling off Pakistan nuclear bluff.

3. India will only talk on Pakistani occupid Kashmir ...no more points.

4. Any more terror attack ...india will now respond to any place in Pakistan becuase the terrorism in India is being sponsered by pak establishment and govt.

5. Nuclear threat will be met with matching response.

6. In days to come the world will see our new war.
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Quite interesting. Admire the commitment to the cause in light of facts from last week.

Will see what we (the US) has to say about this.
 
Watandar said:
so the claim of a lone JF-17 pilot flying into India and using some new Chinese thingamagic to destroy the S400 were false ?

I really want to know what Pakistan was able to actually hit and destroy in India because that is only thing that will deter the next Indian operation. The defensive strategies that Pakistan adopted and practices may be outdated in this new world where Indians intend on grinding Pakistan down and finally neutering it, with implicit support of GCC/West.
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Nobody ever said "a lone JF-17 pilot flying into India". This is Bollywood fabrication.

S400 was certainly hit, but not with any Bollywood theatrics. And I am pretty certain nobody here or in the military briefings ever suggested this.

A package was deployed. One jet fired the missile from within a package.

The PAF are ice cold professionals. We must avoid being unprofessional in any serious discourse and representation of them. One only needs to look across the border to understand what happens when the narrative is over-fantasised.
 
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