Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Gripen9]

Wonder how accurate this is.

From a strictly technical perspective. Is it really that much down to the operator in this case? I cannot imagine India cannot buy any technology that we can. EW, AWACS, and so on.

What exactly is the technical challenge here for them that they get beat everytime in this domain?

Imagine, PN able to utilize Sea Spray & Sea Sultan fitted with COTS systems better than the billions worth P8 indians bought

 

[Gripen9]

Hey Indians These Tails are sad. They are waiting for the 6 new ones?

Bhattinda se BS001 tu order kar sakte hein hum

 

[ARMalik]

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That is pure nonsense. The guy is claiming that just by watching Western Jets flying near their border, China was able to copy them and then come up with better EW. China had NO EXPOSURE to Western Jets. So how would they come up with counter measures??

Here is the correct answer - Chinese exposure to Western Jets and techology came via Pakistan mainly, and via France to lesser extent. This is what allowed China to manufacture modern jets. This is what allowed China to get exposure to Western tactics, EW, etc.

Yes I agree that today China is class of its own but they is no fuking way the Chinese could got a start like this without HELP from someone like Pakistan, etc.

 

[Sharma Ji]

We could have had a viable Kashmir agreement had it not been for Advani.
Vajpayee/Musharaf had agreed to a joint agreement but Advani scuttled it at the last moment.

no, Mushy betrayed Atal.. left in a huff and got started on Kargil.

These Generals are all haramis

 

[RafaleSlayer]

Rafale is a game changer, Chinese J 20 does not even come close, says former air chief Dhanoa​

Hindustan Times, New Delhi | ByShishir Gupta
Jul 29, 2020 05:48 PM IST

 

[Sharma Ji]

no, Mushy betrayed Atal.. left in a huff and got started on Kargil.

These Generals are all haramis

wait, they met after Kargil

still, harami generals, no can trust

 

[FuturePAF]

Why bother, when you can totally jam the opponents Radars, Data links, and Comms? spend the money wisely on invisible tech rather than trying to make a tangible object invisible.

Depends on the price. If a J-10 is $40 million and the J-35 is under $60 million, then it’s worth it. Above $80 million would probably make it harder for the PAF to commit over the J-10, considering that stealth isn’t the overwhelming variable per the recent engagements.

 

[Gripen9]

Their airforce with 36 Rafale and 200ish Su30mki possess even less threat to China compared with South Korean airforce.

SK F15/F16 are quite lethal. Pilots trained at US standards. Same with RoCAF Pilots.

 

[Gripen9]

no, Mushy betrayed Atal.. left in a huff and got started on Kargil.

These Generals are all haramis

Agra summit happened after Kargil and you can use ChatGPT

ChatGPT says...

The Agra Summit of July 2001, a high-stakes diplomatic meeting between Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, ultimately failed to produce a joint declaration. While various factors contributed to the collapse, the role of L.K. Advani, then India's Home Minister and a senior leader of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), has been a subject of considerable debate.(WIRED)


Allegations Against Advani


President Musharraf, in his memoir In the Line of Fire, accused Advani of scuttling the summit at the last moment. Advani, in his autobiography My Country My Life, acknowledged that from India's perspective, the drafting of the joint declaration was unsatisfactory. He noted that the draft brought by Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh was discussed in an informal meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security, indicating internal disagreements within the Indian leadership .(The Times of India, Wikipedia, beta.dawn.com)


Insights from Indian Officials


A.S. Dulat, former chief of India's Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW), asserted that Advani played a dual role in the Agra Summit—both facilitating and ultimately derailing it. Dulat mentioned that Advani had clandestinely met with Pakistan's High Commissioner Ashraf Jehangir Qazi multiple times before the summit, but the chemistry between Advani and Musharraf never developed positively .(Rediff)


Contrastingly, Gautam Bambawale, a former Indian diplomat, argued that the summit's failure was primarily due to Musharraf's insistence on prioritizing the Kashmir issue and his lack of commitment to addressing cross-border terrorism. Bambawale emphasized that the absence of adequate diplomatic groundwork and backchannel negotiations contributed significantly to the summit's collapse .(Wikipedia, www.ndtv.com)

 

[Sharma Ji]

I thought it was more about a hilarious quirk of some of the UP/north Indians.

Its true, but, the original tongue doesn't have that the Z sound.. kinda like Arabs and the P>B thing ..

Bakistanis are broud of their military oberation against the obbonents.

lol

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[Gripen9]

That is pure nonsense. The guy is claiming that just by watching Western Jets flying near their border, China was able to copy them and then come up with better EW. China had NO EXPOSURE to Western Jets. So how would they come up with counter measures??

Here is the correct answer - Chinese exposure to Western Jets and techology came via Pakistan mainly, and via France to lesser extent. This is what allowed China to manufacture modern jets. This is what allowed China to get exposure to Western tactics, EW, etc.

Yes I agree that today China is class of its own but they is no fuking way the Chinese could got a start like this without HELP from someone like Pakistan, etc.

I think I said something along the same lines

Post in thread 'Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion'

May 18, 2025

From flicking through Mr Keith Twitter It's fair to say that the doctrine and origin of the doctrine is Chinese, with strong and professional execution from Pakistan, plus no doubt some customized embellishments.

If we are to accept this full spectrum dominance, including electromagnetic dominance, then it has to be attributed to the Chinese

Pakistan is therefore being pragmatic by utilizing the infrastructure and architecture created, and redirecting it to the to the incoherent, delusionally intellectualized Indian strategists

I think it is a combination. China has zero combat...

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[Gripen9]

Rafale is a game changer, Chinese J 20 does not even come close, says former air chief Dhanoa​

Hindustan Times, New Delhi | ByShishir Gupta
Jul 29, 2020 05:48 PM IST

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These IT Jargon babus love "Game changer" Everything is a game changer. Su30 was a game changer - Raptor of the East, will deny PAF their own airspace. BC now won't be seen east of Kalaikunda. Then came S400 now Rafale.

 

[Vapnope]

These IT Jargon babus love "Game changer" Everything is a game changer. Su30 was a game changer - Raptor of the East, will deny PAF their own airspace. BC now won't be seen east of Kalaikunda. Then came S400 now Rafale.

Whats funny is that IA made 1.4 billion people believe that they can handle and win a 2 front war. Game changer saaarrr

 

[Mobius]

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[iblini]

Rafale is a game changer, Chinese J 20 does not even come close, says former air chief Dhanoa​

Hindustan Times, New Delhi | ByShishir Gupta
Jul 29, 2020 05:48 PM IST

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Indian Air Force Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa said the "Su-30 radar is good enough and can pick it (J-20) up from many kilometers away," according to Indian news website Zee News.

"Many kilometers away", dude, it is even visible in "many kilometers away", what can I say if this is their air force chief marshal.