Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Vapnope]

India again denies US role in mediating Pakistan ceasefire​

Tensions between both countries flared after a deadly April 22 attack in Pahalgam

News Desk
May 20, 2025

Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri addresses the media, announcing India’s response to the Pahalgam terror attack, in New Delhi on Wednesday, April 23, 2025. Courtesy: Indian Ministry of External Affairs/ File


India’s Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri has again contradicted the United States’ account of Washington’s role in mediating the recent ceasefire agreement between New Delhi and Islamabad.

Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri told members of the parliamentary standing committee on external affairs that the "truce was a result of bilateral discussions, initiated by Pakistan, and that no third party—including the US—was involved in the process."

During a closed-door session of the Parliamentary Committee on External Affairs, Misri claimed that Pakistan initiated the contact for a ceasefire on May 10 via the Director General Military Operations (DGMO) channels.

He further claimed that Indian DGMO Lt Gen Rajiv Ghai was initially unavailable but later engaged with his Pakistani counterpart Maj Gen Kashif Abdullah in two rounds of talks, which led to the agreement to halt hostilities, Hindustan Times reported.

Refuting repeated claims by US President Donald Trump that Washington played a role in brokering peace, Misri said Trump’s comments were made via social media and not through official diplomatic channels.

Misri further noted that Trump had since softened his language, shifting from "mediation" to offering "help."

Woke up after a week for domestic consumption lol

 

[Aggregate]

Sorry, my friend — but I’ve never heard such nonsense.

Every single life matters. A country that picks and chooses whose life is worth saving has already lost the moral ground. Most serious nations don’t operate like that — and neither should anyone.

In real war, saving lives isn’t about cost. If you're worried about the price tag, you're not ready to fight — and definitely not ready to win.

You are missing the perspective. In Pakistan people feel it is an honor to lay our lives for Islam and in fighting against an enemy. We are not frightened of drones falling on our houses. We supported our army in using our scare resources carefully against a larger enemy with wannabe dreams of being Israel.

Anyway, you can keep this fancy talk of lives being valuable to yourself. the fact that India was rejoicing at the idea of starving 250 Million people of water (however false), or how you are celebrating the starving / killing of women and children with missiles by Israel, shows how much you value lives of anyone.

So keep the BS of value of life to yourselves. your secular garb is off and the whole world knows India's true face now.

 

[ghazi52]

Rafale Slayer..... J-10 C Operator

 

[Gripen9]

My Punjabi is not that good so please correct me. The gents are discussing a plane getting a catastrophic hit and debris spreading over multiple villages in akhlian? This will be separate from Bhatinda wreckage or same?

Reading the comments afterwards for comic relief delulu nation.

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[ghazi52]

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

That threat is recognised and will be addressed quite soon I would imagine. PAF does learn, innovate and progress forward. PAFs IADS will be upgraded against saturation attacks and systems will be procured for end-stage defence of airbases. What this conflict illustrated that the Brahmos can be shot down as it is very vulnerable in its end stage attack profile. What PAF has to do is better defend against saturation attacks. The capability of Brahmos is now understood and exposed. PAF has demonstrated it can track Brahmos launches and track them all the way.


PAF did not have a problem taking out S400s and was operating freely over Indian airspace for its operations when it decided to respond to India. Where was this fabled IADS then ??? The S400 is now a defeated platform by the CM-400AKG and it has been beaten black and blue in the Ukranian-Russian war. S400 is a non-entity going forward.


Airbase defence will be tightened up for sure. India will need the next decade trying to catch-up to where PAF is right now. Where do you think PAF will be in 10 years from now? I will remind you that the IAF said that it had installed SDRs for secure comms on its entire fleet including Rafales yet PAF hacked the comms of the IAF. We all got hear how confused Godzilla 4 was on what was going on around him. So, even if the IAF does something, will it be done correctly?? IAF does not have a good tracking record of getting things right.


Your 'facts' are an 'optimistic wish list', that based on all historical evidence, the IAF is not up to delivering! Why do you think it will be any better going forward from here?

The human resource quality of the IAF is very poor, we can see that in all spheres of its operations, its conduct and its strategy to grow the IAF and its capabilities over the last decade. That resource quality seems to degrade every year, not get better...



Yes - and Pakistan will be working on hypersonic systems as well. PAF has learnt the lesson of Brahmos and will deliver that capability. Question is, can India defend against Brahmos better than Pakistan did? Look at how large India is, once PAF decides to deploy long range cruise missiles, then how will India fair? India will have far more problems in defence than Pakistan will...


Indians have been saying this ever since i started to look at Pakistani defence sites in 1996, all the way back to the original "defenders of Pakistan" website, they failed then and have failed in this every year since!!!!

Did not have a problem taking out S400s and operating freely over Indian airspace for its operations when it decided to respond to India. Where was this fabled IADS ? The S400 is now a defeated platform by the CM-400AKG and it has been beaten black and blue in the Ukranian-Russian war.

Sorry — but at this point, it’s just a claim.

As per Indian sources, they claim it - Initial Launch—A few pilotless target aircrafts was deployed first, likely to bait or identify active enemy air defense positions. This was followed by the deployment of multiple Drone Surveillance and armed Drones, likely for reconnaissance and real-time targeting updates. Final Strike – A small number of BrahMos missiles were then launched to engage selected targets.

Similarly, as for BrahMos, India claims that around 15 were launched with a more than 80% success rate. But again, these are one-sided narratives. just similarly, Pakistan also has its own version.

Claims will always come from both sides. That’s why I follow independent, international media — because they don’t echo government statements blindly. They rely on evidence, satellite imagery, and neutral analysis. And if there had been major damage, especially to something like the S-400, they wouldn’t have stayed quiet.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Pravin's latest. Of course we can't take everything he says as a Gospel but starting this part of the video he is saying most of what we already know about the China-Pakistan collaboration which is going to increase even more; the failed Indian narrative and the futility of Sashi Tharoor led diplomatic inititive by India. But he also seems to be saying that it will be Pakistan which will resume the hostilities?? [Sorry, not enough time for me to watch long interviews and I skimmed through this]

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he seems to be suggesting, it is now or never for both sides, given the edge China offers to Pak.

 

[Gripen9]

Anyone notice lack of coverage or any sort if statement from IAF ACM?

Guy seems to have dissapered off the face of the earth!

Maybe he was indeed between up by his subordinates as rumors reported in Pak news ala Godi media style.

 

[Meengla]

he seems to be suggesting, it is now or never for both sides, given the edge China offers to Pak.

Curious thing for Pravin to say that it will be Pakistan who will break the ceasefire. He didn't elaborate on that.
So maybe you are right!

 

[Master Chief]

Sorry, my friend — but I’ve never heard such nonsense.

Every single life matters. A country that picks and chooses whose life is worth saving has already lost the moral ground. Most serious nations don’t operate like that — and neither should anyone.

In real war, saving lives isn’t about cost. If you're worried about the price tag, you're not ready to fight — and definitely not ready to win.

You make one sensible comment per day and immediately follow it up with loads of nonsensical comments. Are you a broken clock?

 

[Maarkhoor]

Sorry, my friend — but I’ve never heard such nonsense.

Every single life matters. A country that picks and chooses whose life is worth saving has already lost the moral ground. Most serious nations don’t operate like that — and neither should anyone.

In real war, saving lives isn’t about cost. If you're worried about the price tag, you're not ready to fight — and definitely not ready to win.

Your useless drones are falling and gunned downed by even civlians so no loss of lives at grounds but purpose of sending such low cost drones which poorly operated by cow p@ss drinkers not warranted to downed by high cost air defense missiles.
Further after loosing S-400 Endiots wanted to locate our AD locations same way we did but we are not high even on lassi not like you people who are high on dung and p@ss.

 

[Hayabusa]

Did not have a problem taking out S400s and operating freely over Indian airspace for its operations when it decided to respond to India. Where was this fabled IADS ? The S400 is now a defeated platform by the CM-400AKG and it has been beaten black and blue in the Ukranian-Russian war.

Sorry — but at this point, it’s just a claim.

As per Indian sources, they claim it - Initial Launch—A few pilotless target aircrafts was deployed first, likely to bait or identify active enemy air defense positions. This was followed by the deployment of multiple Drone Surveillance and armed Drones, likely for reconnaissance and real-time targeting updates. Final Strike – A small number of BrahMos missiles were then launched to engage selected targets.

Similarly, as for BrahMos, India claims that around 15 were launched with a more than 80% success rate. But again, these are one-sided narratives. just similarly, Pakistan also has its own version.

Claims will always come from both sides. That’s why I follow independent, international media — because they don’t echo government statements blindly. They rely on evidence, satellite imagery, and neutral analysis. And if there had been major damage, especially to something like the S-400, they wouldn’t have stayed quiet.

Hate to agree with you on this, but you are right on this one. Claims from both sides should be taken lightly until proven.

The only way it can be proven if it is taken down is through photos of the damaged areas, or the very very least, some sort of radar image showing its flight path to its intended target though it would not be enough.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[ghazi52]

India to resume border ceremony with Pakistan​

AFP

India said on Tuesday it would resume a daily border ceremony with neighbouring Pakistan which it briefly halted earlier this month following the most serious conflict between the nuclear armed arch-rivals for decades.

At least 60 people died in fighting triggered by an April 22 attack on tourists in Indian Illegally occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK) that New Delhi accused Islamabad of backing – a charge Pakistan denies.

India’s Border Security force said the sunset ceremony on its side would be open to the media on Tuesday and to the general public on Wednesday at the Attari-Wagah land border in the northern state of Punjab.

Pakistan said it never stopped the ceremony, with its troops marching on its side of the border alone.

The ceremony however is expected to be a low-key affair with diplomatic measures against Pakistan still in place, including the closure of the land border.

For years, the ceremony at the Attari-Wagah border has been a popular tourist attraction.

Visitors from both sides come to cheer on soldiers goose-stepping in a chest-puffing theatrical show of pageantry.

The frontier was a colonial creation at the violent end of British rule in 1947 which sliced the sub-continent into Hindu-majority India and Muslim-majority Pakistan.

The daily border ritual has largely endured over the decades, surviving innumerable diplomatic flare-ups and military skirmishes.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Curious thing for Pravin to say that it will be Pakistan who will break the ceasefire. He didn't elaborate on that.
So maybe you are right!

President Trump has put his "Twitter" seal on the ceasefire! He's got a memory of that of an elephant and venom of that of a king cobra. Folks should think a multiple times before crossing him....