Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The Indians tried their best to even blame an act of nature on Pakistan. It was a really pathetic show.

Good decision by Pakistan not to let them use our airspace.

Pakistani blood and dignity are at stake.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!..............There is no reasoning or humanity left with indians anymore. Just brutality and ruthlessness. That's it.

 

[Fatman17]

Pakistan, India extend airspace bans by another month

Source: Dawn
https://search.app/JCh5C

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[Vox Non Dei]

50-60 years for 5th gen is a bit stretch.

Tejas is not even in three digits after 40 years in development and production. I highly doubt AMCA without an engine option today will be in flight tests before 2035 (remember 2035 is now just 10 years away). Then another 10 years of integration and testing. Four or five round of redesigns to remove all issues or integrate a new engine if India gets a reliable supplier and 10 years of certification. We are not looking 2065 before a final version of AMCA ready for flight becomes available. Another 20 years to produce 4-5 squadrons given broken Indian supply chains.

60 years easy. 50 is generous.

India certainly has few options but those might require it to be relegated in the geopolitical order - not that it is faring well right now.

Its not geopolitics as much no one is making a platform that India needs. Actually, only options right now are China and USA.

India needs a platform that has legs to take fight into Chinese airspace -- thats why it needs fifth gen fighters in first place. Nothing on market has one that can fly over himalaya and India air space, into china and come back in all stealth configuration. Basically, there is no J-20 on sale right now.

Then there is question of integration. India needs integration with Isaeli and Indian EW/AEW&C platforms. It needs integration with Russian, Israeli and Indian made weapons, housed internally.

No one has such a plane, no one has plans to make such a plane, no one has a plane that can be adapted into such role.

So Indian fifth gen fighter is dead in water for 50-60 years.

IAF had a good time when Su-27 design based fighter was available, customizable and dominant. With Russia out of the game, that option for fifth gen has gone. I do not see Russia entering in the game anytime soon, if ever.

 

[Vapnope]

Tejas is not even in three digits after 40 years in development and production

I never really understood why Tejas are not inducted in numbers. I am sure that it is way better than mig 21

 

[Psyko70]

I never really understood why Tejas are not inducted in numbers. I am sure that it is way better than mig 21

Corruption in ranks. Getting commission for imported jets like rafale. Tejas for me looks good jet has general electric engine and good arsenal like a mirage 2000 of modern era. I also wonder we have achieved so much with jf17, why tejas remained a showpiece only.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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Some sane Indians still exist. But they dont have YouTube channels or come to media

 

[Maarkhoor]

Update: Unconfirmed reports coming that Pakistan refuses to handover captured pilots until India announces by themselves that release our pilots but India begging USA / KSA that handover pilots without telling on media.

 

[SABRE]

Corruption in ranks. Getting commission for imported jets like rafale. Tejas for me looks good jet has general electric engine and good arsenal like a mirage 2000 of modern era. I also wonder we have achieved so much with jf17, why tejas remained a showpiece only.

I don't think that's the case - or the only case. DRDO/HAL aim higher than they can punch and deliver lower than what the IAF requires. DRDO/HAL is also unable to develop, produce, and deliver on time.

 

[SABRE]

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Some sane Indians still exist. But they dont have YouTube channels or come to media

I am not surprised but still intrigued at how Bharka Dutt has not only fallen from grace but has gone erratic.

 

[hussain0216]

Civilians on IIOJK will never join fight. They are not trained for fight so it's a dream.

Even civilians of azad kashmir will not join the fight.

At most they will not join Indians..

Stay away from such wet dreams

Freedom doesn't come free, you have to work for it, they hate Hindus as much as we do and if they want freedom they have to act

 

[Yasser76]

Kishore mubani is trying to explain geopolitics, China and Pakistan, and the Chinese future relative to India , to Indians

He's really struggling to be polite, he really wants to help, but it ends with the conclusion that maybe they cannot be helped

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Penny finally dropping with these clowns

 

[Fatman17]

EDITORIAL: Instead of evoking triumphalism, the latest clash with India requires Pakistan to soberly reflect on both its internal and external challenges. Defence of the country is non-negotiable, and the administration along with the armed forces must remain vigilant.

Read the full editorial: https://www.dawn.com/news/1913016

 

[Maarkhoor]

Update: As per some sources from India that G.D Bakshi "Infamous for kiya yeh randi khana hai" attempted suicide but failed since his hands are shaking instead of head he shoot his nose and everything recorded on cam.

He claimed Modi and armed forces are corrupt and India is about to break.

@RescueRanger

 

[Dalit]

That is some serious turbulence. Once hit a pocket flying over Jeddah, the plane must have free fallen several seconds (felt like an eternity) before regaining control and the whole frame shuddered...

The person next to me projectile vomited all across the isle. One of the cabin crew got thrown up into the air and slammed down breaking her wrist...I wish no one has to go through something like that in their lives.

They can blame Modi.

 

[hussain0216]

early indian leadership completely lacked foresight. Had they let go of Kashmir right in the beginning by now Pakistan (and east Pakistan of the time) would have completely fallen into its orbit and at the very least we would by now have been regional union led by india.

I made this EXACT point years ago

The reality was we were all India, but our differences led to partition

We had too many connections with India in relations and history

If Kashmir didn't happen, our elite especially but also the general masses would have pushed us into our natural orbit with India
In many ways this is what Jinnah wanted, independent states where the faiths could be practised but a united subcontinent


A Few things messed this up
A brutal partition full of hate and atrocities
The occupation of Kashmir, which then forced Pakistan to act and prepare with India viewed as a enemy

And the rest is history, not helped by the hindutva extremism which makes India a eternal enemy

Pakistan gained FREEDOM through Kashmir
The enmity from conflict kept us free

Otherwise our elites were easily bought and persuaded and once economic links with India would be established it would be impossible for us to push away




India is the big loser in this, because it's ended up hated in its own region with multiple enemies who see India as a threat