Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Maarkhoor]

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[Master Chief]

EXACTLY!!!!!!!..............There is no reasoning or humanity left with indians anymore. Just brutality and ruthlessness. That's it.

As mentioned earlier, in the current context, denial of airspace is not a moral issue, nor should we stoop to describe it as such. Rather, it is a simple, professional matter of national security.

Because the Indian political-media-military complex has deliberately and perfidiously accused Pakistan of nefarious assaults on Indian civilians (most recently, we were accused of targeting sikh holy sites in India), we can no longer trust that the unfortunate outcome of ANY incident will not be manipulated into some bizarre cassus belli against us.

If, for example, a civilian plane entered our airspace after requesting clearance, and then still went down in a ball of flames by sheer accident, does any Indian or Pakistani viewing this thread believe for one second that the entire Indian media and political and military spectrum would not accuse Pakistani ATCs of some deliberate act of harm?

This is the new era we live in, thanks solely to the circus behaviour next door. Hence, we take the simple step of barring any flights with Indian designators, to avoid the risk of future schemes and accusations against us.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[Ali_Baba]

So with the rumors of India urgently ordering another battery of S400 swirling around, what do you guys make of it?
If PAF was able to effectively neutralize it either electronically or kinetically why would India sink another $1.5B into it or it did perform effectively and they are looking to bolster their ranks in wake of Rafale failure? or they are just grasping at straws right now?

Did TPS43 not sign up for the new forum?

@Oscar , @TallGuy , @RescueRanger , @Raider 21 , @Panzerkiel , @Quwa

The Indians fired a few S400 missiles into Pakistan with a view of trying to get the Erieye AEW&C, maybe they feel with greater S400 density they would be more lucky.

The Erieye is quite critical to PAFs battle plan it seems, so while PAF has enough capacity for routine operations of 3 per sector, it does not have the ability to absorb much battle damage/losses in the AEW&C space given its geography. India will focus on getting the Erieye more than any other asset to undertime the PAF. So, PAF may do well to expand that fleet further, and whether it is more Erieye and a more modern Chinese system is up for debate i guess.

Until India can protect the S400 from the CM400-AKG, the value of the system is suspect in the India/Pakistan context. The trajectory of the CM400-AKG makes it difficult to detect and destroy and that is a problem for India. The CM400-AKG seems to have an active SEAD seeker inside it, so it can be used against a whole suite of Radars in India.

There is a lot for both sides to think about and learn from this conflict and the greater world at large of what worked, and what did not work.

 

[iblini]

Is it true that the Indian are currently attacking their foreign minister for being a traitor?

 

[Maarkhoor]

Is it true that the Indian are currently attacking their foreign minister for being a traitor?

They are attacking USA "Trump", France, Türkiye, Azerbaijan and China plus all news channel who reporting rationally.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Update: Unconfirmed reports coming that Pakistan refuses to handover captured pilots until India announces by themselves that release our pilots but India begging USA / KSA that handover pilots without telling on media.

Pakistan must not relent on this front "IF" there are IAF pilots being held. They must be held until India acknowledges they are being held. If India does not acknowledge, then we should treat them as terrorists as they conducted violence on the state an people of Pakistan without sovereign direction, ie terrorists.

Given the sheer disregard Modi held for innocent civilians of Pakistan, Pakistan shouldn't be bending over backwards to do Modi any favours.

Btw - imagine this, "IF" you are an IAF pilot and you get held by Pakistan through serving your country in active combat operations and the Government of India denies your existence or what has happened to you and disowns you, what do you think will happen to the morale of the IAF as a whole, not just the pilots ? "IF" there is a pilot being held, then you can bet your house on the fact that EVERY SINGLE pilot in the IAF knows this. This does not serve well the "morale" of the IAF "IF" this is true.

All conditional on the "IF" word ....

 

[Maarkhoor]

Pakistan must no relent on this front, "IF" there are Pilots held, they must be held until India acknowledges they are being held. If India does not acknowledge, then we should treat them as terrorists as they conducted violence on the state an people of Pakistan without sovereign direction, ie terrorists.

I highly doubt we have Indian pilots since all shoot down happen from inside Pakistan and inside Indian airspace but still might be possible if it is true then we must not handover pilot/s until India admits it on media.

 

[iblini]

Those attacks are just semantics. The Indian foreign minister or the ministry of foreign affairs does not determine or even project India's foreign policies.
India's foreign and military policy are determined by "non-constitutional " centers of power in Haridwar ( Marg Darshak Samiti), Nagpur (RSS), or Prayagraj ( formerly Allahabad).
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has so far been a subterfuge for an acceptable face to the international community. That stance is no longer needed given India's current diplomatic and military clout. The declarations of the religious seers are far more significant

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ofc, that man is just the scapegoat for modi jeet.

 

[iblini]

They are attacking USA "Trump", France, Türkiye, Azerbaijan and China plus all news channel who reporting rationally.

Yep, but nothing can saved their country's image, the whole world in all languges are talking about the down of rafale, and ofc, the world leaders, military knows crystal clear about the truth, they were a pawn of the Yankees against China, but know, they have exposed themselve too early.

 

[Assault Rifle]

Final verdict:

1. On May 7, IAF did well in striking all ground targets it had selected but lost 3-4 fighters due to PAF DCA

2. On May 10 IAF struck PAF prime bases with satellite images showing damage, however PAF/PA failed to do the same to India as no satellite images showing any proof of damage has been issued (although there was likely some damage to Udhampur station clinic as one medical assistant was killed there).

 

[Corax]

A little dated but these resolutions were passed at the Hindu Rashtra convention as far back as June 12, 2012

Resolutions passed related to India and other countries​

1. India and Nepal should be declared as ‘Hindu Rashtra’ !
2. Pakistan should be declared as ‘Enemy State’ !
3. India is giving aid to Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan in the form of Money, Food grains, Electricity, Fuel etc. It should be stopped immediately !
4. Five crore Bangladeshi infiltrators living in India should be ousted from the country immediately !
5. The Union Government should immediately exert political pressure on the Nations in which Hindus have been victims of injustice and force that Government to punish the culprits !

You sound like a jihadi who wants to establish an "ummah".

 

[Corax]

Final verdict:

1. On May 7, IAF did well in striking all ground targets it had selected but lost 3-4 fighters due to PAF DCA

2. On May 10 IAF struck PAF prime bases with satellite images showing damage, however PAF/PA failed to do the same to India as no satellite images showing any proof of damage has been issued (although there was likely some damage to Udhampur station clinic as one medical assistant was killed there).

Was it the same "medical assistant" who operated the S400 radar?

 

[Vox Non Dei]

Corruption in ranks. Getting commission for imported jets like rafale. Tejas for me looks good jet has general electric engine and good arsenal like a mirage 2000 of modern era. I also wonder we have achieved so much with jf17, why tejas remained a showpiece only.

No. Its much simpler than that. Because no one in India gets fired or denied in promotion if military capabilities suffers. Because no elections are lost due to military losses. However, if a corruption scandal is found, everyone suffers. So no one is willing to get stuff for military and can is kicked further and further till India loses something major. Then all of a sudden things are done becauses elections and necks are on sword.

When that happens, leaders push and things happen.

When 62 happened, Nehru died out of stress. Then 65 happened. Shastri died out of stress. End of Gandhian stupidity happened. Indra Gandhi took lessons and suddenly military was a priority. India raised a mountain division to keep China at bay. Relationship with Russia was cultivated. Soviet hardware entered in India in big numbers. The same hardware is in still in use till date. Then 71 was a big success. 74 test was a success. Then entire nation was lulled.

Same thing happen with Rajiv Gandhi. He was Nehru part 2. Fortunately he was assassinated for his stupid decisions in Sri Lanka. Next Prime Minister took things more seriously and his focus lead to 98 test. Bajpeyi was Nehru part 3. He was caught blindsided in 1999. Then he expedited Sukhois. Still too little too late to prevent disasterous Op Parakram after attack on Parliament.

Then came Manmohan... He completely neglected military and internal security & focused purely on economy. Then major incidences happened. 2008 Mumbai attack. 2010 Dantewada naxal ambush leading to biggest number of crpf forces killed. He was Nehru part 4.

Modi is a continuation of similar series. He is Nehru 5. He focuses on socialistic spending for winning elections and military projects or purchases are least of his bother. Fortunately his partner Shah is hard on internal security and he does what he can for that front. He has been killing threats in and out of India.

India spends only 1.9% of GDP on defence. Most goes for wages and pensions. If they only boost it to 2.5% that will be 24 billion dollars each year extra. They can fix a lot pretty fast.

I guess either Modi will suffer something himself or India will again lose something big --equipment do no matter here for Modi etc to take defence seriously.

 

[Corax]

Indian media is claiming, A BrahMos ALCM strike aimed at Pakistan Air Force's "Aeronautical Complex" (PAC) was aborted mid-mission, due to ceasefire announcement. The factory assembles JF-17s and UAVs and other aircraft and aviation systems.
The same missile system was used in attack in Bholari and Jacobabad.

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Would have been interesting to see if the missiles targeting PAC/Kamra went through or if they got intercepted.
If they went through like at Bholari and Jacobabad and Chaklala, damage could have been major.

Indian media also claimed Lahore "port" had also been taken, Islamabad captured, half of Pakistan effectively occupied. Clearly too much Cow Cola.