Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

iblini said:
I am wondering if the IAF knew their problem, gaps and if they had any measurement based on that, if they are being totally blind in this field, there must be some major issue in their af intelligence department.
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Their blind arrogance got to them. They thought that they finally have the prized Rafale, the S400 and Brahmos etc which would be enough to take out Pakistan permanently. Their arrogance had grown too much and they were blinded by their pride of being economic power and having big money. They thought Pakistan was finished in every way.
Lastly, they did not believe that the PAF's J10C or JF-17 Thunder could challenge them due to the presence of their Rafale, and they must've had some assurances from US that the F16s could not be used against them by PAF...I also think they didn't believe the PL15s would work properly in real battles.

But PAF had them by the balls due to complete spectrum domination in the skies along with JF17, J10C and the PL15s. The BVR domination and EW got them by surprise as they expected a easy walkover and not a challenge from PAF. The myth they thought about the battle effectiveness of J10C and JF17 was shattered when the first Rafale was shot down, it must've shocked them so much that they lost their plot completely. A complete psychological empowerment of the PAF overcame them and they knew they had lost the battle again. Only Pakistan can have that affect on them.....they go nuts when we win.

Not just india, but this battle win by PAF shocked the entire world and now the world will fear not just the economic powerhouse China, but also a Pakistan that has appeared more stronger and united than ever.

The Chinese Govt can expect a lot of business now for their jets and weapons as they have now been tested in battle and proved their worth compared to the Europeans or Russians. Times are good. Enjoy the respect and limelight!
 
Developereo said:
Let us not live in a fantasy world.

Indian BrahMos is deadly and we have nothing to counter it. We won the airforce battle but India won the missile war. That is where they will focus next time.
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I agree that its not possible to block all missiles and specially big ones. Hence that means that the escalation ladder will rise significantly if this happens, and we may end up both in a sort of mutual destruction situation if they go that route.

Hopefully Pakistan has plans to counter their missiles next time. Both China and Pakistan need a plan to counter this issue, rather quickly as we sort of have the same enemies at the back end. A unified joint response is our savior and mutually beneficial for both countries to exist.
 
Path-Finder said:
Shri Ji, getting cooked.

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They plan and Allah plans, and Allah is the best planner.
He has killed a lot of innocent Muslims, and his time has come.
 
Panzerkiel said:
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Pakistan to them is the Holy Land, and they cannot wage war against it in good conscience. I'm not surprised one bit as they refused to be cannon fodder for extremist hindutva modi govt....
 
It’s clear that many from Pakistan are busy glorifying the PAF. But let’s be real—**in any modern India-Pakistan conflict, the role of the air force will be limited.

Even israeli fired missiles on iran from the safe distance - this is what going to be happened in next wars - old method of using gone a long back. Now a days, crossing the borders and planning to for deep strikes - probability of success has dramatically very down. It's will be kind of suicide missions.

The current structure of the PAF is decent when it comes to defending its own skies—with support systems geared toward protection. But when it comes to **offensive capability**, it doesn’t hold up. The support infrastructure they rely on isn’t designed to operate beyond borders. That’s a big limitation. They don't have solutions against the same systems if talk about india.

Future wars won’t be about dogfights.
They’ll be about **standoff weapons, layered defenses, and who can strike with precision while staying protected.**

The side that defends better, absorbs the least damage, and maintains operational capability will have upper hands
 
Raj-Hindustani said:
It’s clear that many from Pakistan are busy glorifying the PAF. But let’s be real—**in any modern India-Pakistan conflict, the role of the air force will be limited.

Even israeli fired missiles on iran from the safe distance - this is what going to be happened in next wars - old method of using gone a long back. Now a days, crossing the borders and planning to for deep strikes - probability of success has dramatically very down. It's will be kind of suicide missions.

The current structure of the PAF is decent when it comes to defending its own skies—with support systems geared toward protection. But when it comes to **offensive capability**, it doesn’t hold up. The support infrastructure they rely on isn’t designed to operate beyond borders. That’s a big limitation. They don't have solutions against the same systems if talk about india.

Future wars won’t be about dogfights.
They’ll be about **standoff weapons, layered defenses, and who can strike with precision while staying protected.**

The side that defends better, absorbs the least damage, and maintains operational capability will have upper hands
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It just wont end well for both countries.
 
Raj-Hindustani said:
It’s clear that many from Pakistan are busy glorifying the PAF. But let’s be real—**in any modern India-Pakistan conflict, the role of the air force will be limited.

Even israeli fired missiles on iran from the safe distance - this is what going to be happened in next wars - old method of using gone a long back. Now a days, crossing the borders and planning to for deep strikes - probability of success has dramatically very down. It's will be kind of suicide missions.

The current structure of the PAF is decent when it comes to defending its own skies—with support systems geared toward protection. But when it comes to **offensive capability**, it doesn’t hold up. The support infrastructure they rely on isn’t designed to operate beyond borders. That’s a big limitation. They don't have solutions against the same systems if talk about india.

Future wars won’t be about dogfights.
They’ll be about **standoff weapons, layered defenses, and who can strike with precision while staying protected.**

The side that defends better, absorbs the least damage, and maintains operational capability will have upper hands
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Beta aik khawat hai "Khath na aai te thou kordi".
 
Developereo said:
Let us not live in a fantasy world.

Indian BrahMos is deadly and we have nothing to counter it. We won the airforce battle but India won the missile war. That is where they will focus next time.
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Brahmos strikes were started after 2bpm Pakistan time. That's when peace talks with Trump were already underway and 5pm a tweet was ready.
Pakistan did not have the time to retaliate in like for like missiles.
I would have liked to see first combat use of RAad ALCM and Babur Cruise missiles.

About brahmos, if we go by what ACM Aurangzeb showed during press conference.
Out of 4 brahmos fired at Shahbaz , Bholari, only 1 hit a hanger. The other 3 overshot the target, which happened to be something as large as an entire air based.
He said PAF spoofed and Jammed Brahmos. I am inclined to believe him
 
Vapnope said:
There was a talk of getting camm er for Pakistan. Can anyone tell if that thing was materialized?
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Isn't that part of the Milgem/Babur class corvette weapons suite? I don't think we ordered the land version.
 
safriz said:
Brahmos strikes were started after 2bpm Pakistan time. That's when peace talks with Trump were already underway and 5pm a tweet was ready.
Pakistan did not have the time to retaliate in like for like missiles.
I would have liked to see first combat use of RAad ALCM and Babur Cruise missiles.

About brahmos, if we go by what ACM Aurangzeb showed during press conference.
Out of 4 brahmos fired at Shahbaz , Bholari, only 1 hit a hanger. The other 3 overshot the target, which happened to be something as large as an entire air based.
He said PAF spoofed and Jammed Brahmos. I am inclined to believe him
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We should have debris of those overshot / soft killed missiles to showcase. There are images of SCALP that were either shot down or soft killed near PAF Mushaf
 
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