Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Air dominance or Spectral dominance can be achieved through any means necessary. There is no written script and the strategy continues to evolve.

In the Indo Pak battle in 2025, India’s aim was to strike at alleged camps and deny or limit Pakistan’s response hence controlling the escalation ladder. The answer lies within those questions. Did India overwhelm Pakistan and translate that into forcing Pakistan’s hand tactically (from a war perspective) or strategically (from diplomacy perspective).

Tactically, the PAF knew the IAF were coming, it was a matter of when. When the IAF came, they lost the initiative due to losing several of their jets. More importantly, from a tactical perspective, the outcome was PAF was able to set a 200km buffer inside of Indian territory or Pakistan’s resolve not to retaliate. (Look at the bigger picture rather than seeing what toys fell)

Next day, the drones were deployed, in the hope that Pakistan’s AD will be overwhelmed. Did they or did they deter Pakistan’s strike next morning? (Again look at a bigger picture rather than how many installations could the drones destroy)

On May 10 early morning, Pakistan retaliated. Multiple installations and S400 (allegedly) hit. Again, look beyond how many installations and airfields were cratered, what did this move able to achieve? Look no further to Sofia Qureshi request of de escalation and a tacit signal to the Americans to get involved.

Post the Pakistan’s strikes, the Indian resorted to using Brahmos on Pakistan airfields. Again, look beyond what was able to be achieved? An adversary throwing in their top of the line weapon, signaling their escalation ladder has gone very high.

And then the US tweeting to get both sides to sit the **** down.

My advise to people on both sides of the isle, read between the lines and look at what war strategies aim to provide rather than focusing too much on actual damage.
Exceptionally poor planning and posturing from India. Their efforts, public preamble, and planning were all from a now antiquated blueprint of South Asian warfare. The whole execution was like something one expected back in the 90s, including the needlessly Bollywood-esque operation nomenclature. The whole plot was immediately recognised by Pakistan, post-Pahalgam. We started posturing aggressively, having learned a fair bit from 2019.

The outcome this time was even  more embarrassing for India, not only because of material losses and real time total loss of air superiority, but this time round - unlike in 2019 - the entire media narrative collapsed due to Indian media mouthing off and believing in its own bizarre Baghdad-Bob style propaganda.
 
indians have already stopped talking about May 2025. ALL they keep saying now is that Pakistan lost the 1971 war.

This is something original. A positive outcome. Pakistan and Pakistanis have no response to 1971 as of yet.

Most politicians in Pakistan use 1971 to threaten the State of Pakistan.
 
two cents, for all the Indians (and food for thought, though, i know its futile!)

1. we are much much smaller country with smaller budget and even tinier slice for equipment purchase, compared to yours;

2. we dont have top of the line tech. unlike you (we cant even dream of having assets like yours!)

3. we dont have friends like you have (Quad, 5 eyes etc etc)

4. your airforce and navy, are like, 3 airforce in a single one and your navy is like (8 posid.) 4 navies, compared to us!


have some bloody dignity!!!!
 
indians have already stopped talking about May 2025. ALL they keep saying now is that Pakistan lost the 1971 war.
They are obsessed with 1971. After this recent conflict, Tharoor said it's not 1971 and it's not the same Pakistan...I mean the shear arrogance, narcissism and ego of the Indians is unbelievable. But that will be their undoing. The Pak military would be wise to avoid falling into the same psychology...they need to prepare for the worst, learn how to take blows like Mohammad Ali's rope a dope trick, never underestimate their enemies, and train, train, train and train again.
 
This is something original. A positive outcome. Pakistan and Pakistanis have no response to 1971 as of yet.

Most politicians in Pakistan use 1971 to threaten the State of Pakistan.


1971 was inevitable. Also, militarily you had 40,000 lightly armed Pakistani troops cut off by 3000 kms from the Pakistani mainland fighting against a million Bangladeshi militia-men backed by 600,000 indian troops with maintained supply lines.
 
1971 was inevitable. Also, militarily you had 40,000 lightly armed Pakistani troops cut off by 3000 kms from the Pakistani mainland fighting against a million Bangladeshi militia-men backed by 600,000 indian troops with maintained supply lines.

It would not have been inevitable if civilian officials had not rebelled against the State of Pakistan for apparent promise of financial glory.

Before a war is won or lost on the battlefield, it is won or lost in the psyche.

Nobody is yet to explain it to me or one is allowed to talk on the forum that how the people who helped create the Muslim League, invest wholeheartedly in Jinnahs direct action day simply turned away their faces to the very concept of Pakistan. No dumb **** populist or opportune mothafucka can explain the phenomenon.
 
It’s clear that many from Pakistan are busy glorifying the PAF. But let’s be real—**in any modern India-Pakistan conflict, the role of the air force will be limited.

Even israeli fired missiles on iran from the safe distance - this is what going to be happened in next wars - old method of using gone a long back. Now a days, crossing the borders and planning to for deep strikes - probability of success has dramatically very down. It's will be kind of suicide missions.

The current structure of the PAF is decent when it comes to defending its own skies—with support systems geared toward protection. But when it comes to **offensive capability**, it doesn’t hold up. The support infrastructure they rely on isn’t designed to operate beyond borders. That’s a big limitation. They don't have solutions against the same systems if talk about india.

Future wars won’t be about dogfights.
They’ll be about **standoff weapons, layered defenses, and who can strike with precision while staying protected.**

The side that defends better, absorbs the least damage, and maintains operational capability will have upper hands
The whole world understands that you cannot win any modern war without air superiority but Yeah🤣🤣U better hope & prey that the Air Force roles will be ‘limited’ in future wars, given the IAF’s incompetence in 2019 and utter humiliation in 2025🤣🤣
 

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