Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Looks like we have a rat. Mods?

I had my reckoning, I am not going to believe in Pakistani propaganda anymore.

indian sources are more trustworthy and logical. Pakistan did not shoot down any jets, Pakistan's missiles were all intercepted, indian military conducted surgical strikes across LOC during this conflict, there has been a lot of damage and many casualties.
 
This is ample proof Hindutvas are hiding thier losses.

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Although i do believe Pakistan did not disclose full details of the damage but that is where one must ask the representative government. Sanity of Indian media is a big question mark and even less information is available as India refuses to public information on an ongoing military operation.

Op sindoor seems like a big success, modi stands tall and wide in front of his people. I believe he is going to become PM again. They fooled Pakistanis into shooting down fake jets, they have proven PAF kill chain was fake.

indian media was merely representing the views and wishes of their people kept them updated throughout the conflict.
 
I had my reckoning, I am not going to believe in Pakistani propaganda anymore.

indian sources are more trustworthy and logical. Pakistan did not shoot down any jets, Pakistan's missiles were all intercepted, indian military conducted surgical strikes across LOC during this conflict, there has been a lot of damage and many casualties.

Please don't forget that India did not just bomb across LoC but also over International border after successfully campaigning that mosques are terrorist centres.
 
I had my reckoning, I am not going to believe in Pakistani propaganda anymore.

indian sources are more trustworthy and logical. Pakistan did not shoot down any jets, Pakistan's missiles were all intercepted, indian military conducted surgical strikes across LOC during this conflict, there has been a lot of damage and many casualties.
Truth is the only casualty of war...as the saying goes, Pakistan and India treat cricket like war, and war like cricket. Let's see what happens in the next match. Sometimes it difficult to distinguish between the two...I mean, place an Indian next to a Pakistani and it's difficult to tell between the two.
 
Yeah, issue is China will never take them seriously and they have no real chance in any confrontation with China, so it is left to Pakistan to knock some sense into these guys every 5-10 years
I think India would preferably like to sell to the world, that they are taking on China in Pakistan

To be honest, I don't know where any of this goes really


India, per its own narrative is meant to have left Pakistan in the dust and matching itself to China

Suddenly done a U-turn,trump is offering no major investment, India declaring a perpetual state of war will deter further investment, maybe

As was mentioned in the video, India has only paused their operation, effectively they maintain the option to hypenate themselves back to Pakistan when they want to, that needs to be the message
Within all of this, there has to be a Pakistani interest, this is not the place to elaborate I think
 
Please don't forget that India did not just bomb across LoC but also over International border after successfully campaigning that mosques are terrorist centres.

They have an open declaration and claim, mosques are built on top of mandir.
 
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Although i do believe Pakistan did not disclose full details of the damage but that is where one must ask the representative government. Sanity of Indian media is a big question mark and even less information is available as India refuses to public information on an ongoing military operation.

On the 'sanity' of Indian media- I think Republic, GA etc. were asked to say the things they said for psy ops. Everyone knows a big chunk of online news audience in these times for those channels comes from pakistan. So they tried to spook those who could be spooked.

Meanwhile most Indians and international media got their inputs from highly controlled Military briefings everyday with info no one has disputed yet.
 
I had my reckoning, I am not going to believe in Pakistani propaganda anymore.

indian sources are more trustworthy and logical. Pakistan did not shoot down any jets, Pakistan's missiles were all intercepted, indian military conducted surgical strikes across LOC during this conflict, there has been a lot of damage and many casualties.
I agree with you. Modi himself has been sent by ISI to spread Pakistani propaganda. According to Modi, "Pakistan neh hum peh hamla kiya".

This is a lie.
 
Op sindoor seems like a big success, modi stands tall and wide in front of his people. I believe he is going to become PM again. They fooled Pakistanis into shooting down fake jets, they have proven PAF kill chain was fake.

indian media was merely representing the views and wishes of their people kept them updated throughout the conflict.

Beautifully orchestrated with precision and poise. How India managed to channel the visceral hatred found in her masses and direct them towards an epicenter of backwardness, truly a Netflix classic.

Indian government represents democratic suicidal genocidal will of an average Indian.

You would now see phase 2 of operation Sindoor where Pakistanis would be fooled again by concept of good and bad Indian and how India is being held captive by an extremist mob. All the while India prepares to attack big.
 
On the 'sanity' of Indian media- I think Republic, GA etc. were asked to say the things they said for psy ops. Everyone knows a big chunk of online news audience in these times for those channels comes from pakistan. So they tried to spook those who could be spooked.

Meanwhile most Indians and international media got their inputs from highly controlled Military briefings everyday with info no one has disputed yet.

Yes everything was choreographed and controlled by the government of India. It is a universal fact that Pakistanis watch Republic TV 2am in the morning.
 
On the 'sanity' of Indian media- I think Republic, GA etc. were asked to say the things they said for psy ops. Everyone knows a big chunk of online news audience in these times for those channels comes from pakistan. So they tried to spook those who could be spooked.

Meanwhile most Indians and international media got their inputs from highly controlled Military briefings everyday with info no one has disputed yet.
The Indian media were getting a script
 
There is too much bravado which, though understandable, is rather uncalled for and actually silly.

Its not like we have beaten India for good and destroyed its military. Its a major military power and 5th (or 4th?) largest economy in the world! We are far away from both!

They can afford a long, sustained war if they decide upon it - we cannot.

They will have Americans and Europeans and Arabs supporting them, not because they are right but because 'its business'.

They have the size, money, political and diplomatic clout, the narrative and the will and intention to beat us. Never underestimate your enemy.

So while we won this round - because of the help of Allah, more than anything else - we must stay humble. Allah does not like takabbur.
You are right but there are still weakness that needs to be addressed and why sit back and relax.

You are right that india can start a full fledged war and this will cause us to lose our parts etc. question is why we have such a defensive mindset now? Why wait for enemy to strike again? Why play chess according to Indian rule where after every terrorist attack, india has to attack pakistan. At least this is what they are saying and they are now rules of the game.

Now change the rules of the game. When Musharraf started kargil, it was to showcase the world that pakistan military can caught india with its neck despite india being the bigger side numerically. Although we lost kargil but Indians lost mentally. Strategically, it was Pakistani victory and india waited decades before attempting attack on pakistan which I guess is 2019 standoff.

Here the game is live and both players know the rules but what if pakistan do something unexpected from their side? Yes I am urging another kargil without caring for results. Some territory of india or Kashmir needs to be captured by us so as to put pressure on india and bring india on table and sign a new indus water treaty deal.

Water will stop slowly slowly. We will be at war after sone time but course of war can be changed by Indian intelligence because they have thousands of freedom fighters in their jails so they can send any number of fighters to attack their own people and hurrah! War starts. This will be at a time when they are ready and there are hints like more s-400 to cover more territories. They will buy some new jets and when they are sure, they will start one final war.

Weakness of our ADS.they know they can hit with brahmos so basically all this bravado from their side is nothing new. When they detonated nuclear device, they were talking about invading pakistan. Today they know the weakness of our ADS. That’s why they are talking about war without hesitation.


What we need to do?

We need an aggressive foreign policy that declares Kashmir as integral part of pakistan and china( to bring china in this dispute is necessary)

We must not play chess according to Indian rule. Another kargil is necessary and is needed. This will put more pressure on india and fake bravado of Indian government will be seen by their own people who all want war at all cost. Thing is you have to humiliate their government in front of their people in order to play chess according to our rule.

Lack of international support for Pakistan and isolation. This is what india is trying before final war. Signs can be seen and every script is written on the wall.

Pakistan must play this game according to Musharraf mindset. Be aggressive, let them fear. This is how we scared india since independence and this is now Muslim invaders invaded india. Fear is necessary.

Another kargil, declaring Kashmir as integral part of pakistan or probably china as well to involve china in war etc, is necessary. Think of having a slice of pizza. China and pakistan can settle land issues after they capture Indian Kashmir. Problem solved.

I have seen indian policy since decades. I know what they are doing and why they are doing all this. our defensive policy will not last forever and will eventually fail. 3 things I want from pakistan and pak armed forces.

1) Declare Kashmir as integral part of china and Pakistan with india not a party in the dispute. Urge india to vacate Indian Kashmir or else. Threaten them just like they are threatening us( Musharraf policy)

2) start another kargil and don’t care about the result. This will destroy Indian strategic planning and destroy their morals.

3) for water or after terrorist attack, prepare for one final war and ask china that they are legal party on Kashmir so both china and pakistan can fight against Indian military.

All these 3 things are mandatory for the existence of pakistan. There is no time.
 
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