Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[hydrabadi_arab]

This is what I have found. Hazy videos taken from some other date, conflict edit it heavily, and post them en mass. And there is an audience waiting to lap it up and propagate it immediately.

Hopefully, some credible proof of battle damage would be provided by members who know what they are talking about and have credibility to worry about.

Simple, post original video link if this is old or from somewhere else.

 

[Oscar]

I am not asking the Pakistanis to praise Operation Sindhoor. I don’t expect a Pakistani to take sides with the adversary. They should stand with their own.

However, are they allowed to analyse their own response to Op Sindhoor freely and point at mistakes if any? Any aspect where they could have done better? That is the job of a free media, where the analysts are allowed to open it threadbare.
It doesn’t exist currently in your country.

I have accepted great success of PAF on day one when they performed brilliantly. I openly praise that performance. Bravo.

But, from there it all went downhill.

IAF engaged targets with pin point accuracy, all over and destroyed few key elements and has come out with undeniable proof.
However, Pakskatn has only made claims in this regard. Attacked so many bases, destroyed S400, neutralised many runways.
Waiting for some credible proof of the same. Not poorly edited and doctored videos, or unrelated amateurish efforts of linking death of a BSF solider to destruction of S400.

Which few key elements?

IAF(although it was a combination of SSM + standoff) did hit targets across Pakistan.
Hangars and other support buildings - but other than potentially one asset damaged(not beyond repair) the rest was infrastructure and most of it like Runways are repaired and operational while any other major ones ended up being non-critical.

So while the strikes were accurate they were not precise nor effective in “grounding” PAF or PA. If anything, that’s less effective then those up close raids by IAF in 71.

Then, there is the advantage of BDA which India has and Pakistan does not have(at least what they don’t want to or cannot declare) - Ive already provided proof on why commercial providers(maxar) have balked at getting involved with providing any imagery on India.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Simple, post original video link if this is old or from somewhere else.

That was very smart suggestion. Keep up the good work.

 

[flyingorca]

First two pictures on the first page. The orange uniform guy from 2nd pic is added to the first pic just to compare the uniforms

Exactly, i did it for comparison and indians are pointing out its PS.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

That was very smart suggestion. Keep up the good work.

IDK, why likes of you are even allowed to talk on this forum?
in all of your previous posts, none of them has made any sense.
why cant all the mods see through all the useless and trash talk that you do!
it is beyond me and are eager to give ban on my posts!
it seems rules are for people like you, who openly peddle fake info and hatred!

 

[flyingorca]

This is how Indians expect PAF kills should be verified only then they will believe it.

 

[Vapnope]

Kargil was long time back and we have had enough of discussions over that event. Let’s not start it on wrong thread. Because I have difference of opinion with many on that event too. Starting with denial of honour to the thousands of soldiers who were denied their honour for many years. But, as I said that is a discussion for the right thread and we have many.

A lot has happened since then. Both nations have gone through a lot of changes, for good and bad.

At this point we are discussing the freedom of expression to the citizens, both the sides.

I do say that it has reduced from earlier but there is still scope of dissent and disagreement in India without becoming a missing person. There are many mainstream media houses that have a tough anti-BJP and anti-government stance here. Very few but still there and surviving.

I see no such thing in current Paksiatn. Either tow the establishment’s line or vanish or go on exile is the current state that side.
There is no public scrutiny allowed there. If there is, then I would welcome just one (one) link to any such content made and posted by any media house in Pakistan.

Similar psyche is seen regarding the recent skirmish too. All success no failure. Very few members have displayed this propensity to analyse it with objectivity.

Apart from shooting down few Indian aircraft, I don’t see much of a silver line for your side.

Any attempt to ask questions about success of attacks by Paksiatn on GROUND targets is answered with completely unrelated content. Snippets of conveniently edited content made from statements made by this side, doctored videos, hazy pictures and abusive language in the end.

You have comprehension problems or willingly obtuse because your argument has been dismantled?
If Pakistan had initiated the hostility, we would have seen the repeat of Kargil critique, Op Gibraltar critique and whatever came in between.

Freedom of expression ranking is there for everyone to see. India was behind Pakistan in 2024 if that ranking means anything to you.
Currently India is at 151 and Pakistan at 152 in press freedom index.

What are you even yapping about?

 

[Olympus81]

S400 Cheeseboard damage - We’ve yet to see conclusive evidence of this. But seems very likely when Modi showed an S400 missile launchers intact.

6 IAF jets downed - We’ve seen conclusive evidence of 4 IAF downed. Another 2 remain inconclusive.

Let’s hope we see more photos, videos, satellite images in the coming days.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

You have comprehension problems or willingly obtuse because your argument has been dismantled?
If Pakistan had initiated the hostility, we would have seen the repeat of Kargil critique, Op Gibraltar critique and whatever came in between.

Freedom of expression ranking is there for everyone to see. India was behind Pakistan in 2024 if that ranking means anything to you.
Currently India is at 151 and Pakistan at 152 in press freedom index.

What are you even yapping about?

wait, they will have their own freedom of info. index, in next few years!

 

[Vapnope]

I am not asking the Pakistanis to praise Operation Sindhoor. I don’t expect a Pakistani to take sides with the adversary. They should stand with their own.

However, are they allowed to analyse their own response to Op Sindhoor freely and point at mistakes if any? Any aspect where they could have done better? That is the job of a free media, where the analysts are allowed to open it threadbare.
It doesn’t exist currently in your country.

I have accepted great success of PAF on day one when they performed brilliantly. I openly praise that performance. Bravo.

But, from there it all went downhill.

IAF engaged targets with pin point accuracy, all over and destroyed few key elements and has come out with undeniable proof.
However, Pakskatn has only made claims in this regard. Attacked so many bases, destroyed S400, neutralised many runways.
Waiting for some credible proof of the same. Not poorly edited and doctored videos, or unrelated amateurish efforts of linking death of a BSF solider to destruction of S400.

Dude all that objectivity and you still didnt provide a single proof of F16 that was downed by Iaf in 2019. There has been zero proof of much touted surgical strikes. Maybe start with those proof and i will provide you the proofs of what we have hit. Let's go !

@RescueRanger @Areesh

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

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Pakistan should get a cut or commission on any new sales that milk Indians. Last time they got a spanking weapons manufacturers made billions. They're going again for the stickers... let them, but pay up... oh and keep up... so they keep coming back for bigger and better shiny new toys... their new war elephants!

 

[Vapnope]

@Vkdindian1 You guys showed a damaged hanger and went on to claim c130, Saab 2000, Radars, F16s and JF17s. What proof are you even talking about?
Also Indian side did not allow journalist to ask any questions for first 3 days, Pakistan allowed journalists from every area (GB, Baluchistan, Sindh, Punjab) to ask any question.
There was an open challenge from.DG ISPR that show us debris of even one paf plane downed while your side says losses are part of combat while your people are denying any ac is lost. Irony is lost on you.

 

[Vapnope]

wait, they will have their own freedom of info. index, in next few years!

They paid a software house in germany who wrote an article that Indians have bigger weiners than most countries. And these people were posting it on old forum. Imagine !

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The height of denial! Hear no bad news, see no bad news.....

French Delegation Arrives in India to Receive Rafale Jet Debris | Modi govt refuses | Amir Masood​

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[Fatman17]

Kargil was long time back and we have had enough of discussions over that event. Let’s not start it on wrong thread. Because I have difference of opinion with many on that event too. Starting with denial of honour to the thousands of soldiers who were denied their honour for many years. But, as I said that is a discussion for the right thread and we have many.

A lot has happened since then. Both nations have gone through a lot of changes, for good and bad.

At this point we are discussing the freedom of expression to the citizens, both the sides.

I do say that it has reduced from earlier but there is still scope of dissent and disagreement in India without becoming a missing person. There are many mainstream media houses that have a tough anti-BJP and anti-government stance here. Very few but still there and surviving.

I see no such thing in current Paksiatn. Either tow the establishment’s line or vanish or go on exile is the current state that side.
There is no public scrutiny allowed there. If there is, then I would welcome just one (one) link to any such content made and posted by any media house in Pakistan.

Similar psyche is seen regarding the recent skirmish too. All success no failure. Very few members have displayed this propensity to analyse it with objectivity.

Apart from shooting down few Indian aircraft, I don’t see much of a silver line for your side.

Any attempt to ask questions about success of attacks by Paksiatn on GROUND targets is answered with completely unrelated content. Snippets of conveniently edited content made from statements made by this side, doctored videos, hazy pictures and abusive language in the end.

Indian media has absolutely no credibility and you are ranting about us