Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

They may want to do just a pure air-to-air with a large strike formation solely dedicated to an airborne battle with a view of trying to shoot down some PAF aircraft. In that case, the PAF jets would need to fire first if they feel they are getting into the launch zone of IAF jets. Do we think the PAF will take the initiative like that from the decision making cycle we have seen of both the PAF and PA ? They have never struck first, but if they don't do that in a BVR joust, then they will suffer losses.

The historical engagements were for the IAF to perform a 'hostile act' which was a ground strike of some description and then respond to that hostile act, but that was always because the IAF jets had to move into the launch windows of the PAF jets for that hostile act to take place.

A pure air to air would change the calculus and decision making cycle. Hopefully if something does kick off, the PAF have thought of this possibility and have an action plane in place already.

All speculation of course, based on the new of some new blackouts!
Blackout is a hint and wise people on the ground knows what is coming. You are right. I am also expecting a2a configuration of iaf. May be they drop some bombs on pak army because this is what they want and saying etc. iaf is humiliated and are coming to fire missiles on our jets. We must go deep like the radar data showed from Paf description. Our jets were deep like sitting near Afghanistan border. This will protect us from their missile range. I urge first see first shoot. We have pl-15 long range advantage but they received something from Americans recently and I am not sure about that.
 
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It seems that both sides are demonstrating a calculated reluctance—a deliberate hesitation rather than a genuine inability.




  • France: Avoiding participation at the crucial moment may harm the brand’s reputation—when it finally mattered to perform distinguishably well, it failed to show up.

  • India: Engaging openly might inadvertently reveal the actual count, something it appears reluctant to do.




Interestingly, if there was truly nothing to conceal, such discussions would never have surfaced in the first place.




BTW, this stupid hip hop, from these two parties, deserved a separate thread!
 
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WOW!

Does not actually outright admit it, but towards the end hints at it. I think out of courtesy he has to wait for IAF to admit it.

Very damning and enjoyable to watch
 
They may want to do just a pure air-to-air with a large strike formation solely dedicated to an airborne battle with a view of trying to shoot down some PAF aircraft. In that case, the PAF jets would need to fire first if they feel they are getting into the launch zone of IAF jets. Do we think the PAF will take the initiative like that from the decision making cycle we have seen of both the PAF and PA ? They have never struck first, but if they don't do that in a BVR joust, then they will suffer losses.

The historical engagements were for the IAF to perform a 'hostile act' which was a ground strike of some description and then respond to that hostile act, but that was always because the IAF jets had to move into the launch windows of the PAF jets for that hostile act to take place.

A pure air to air would change the calculus and decision making cycle. Hopefully if something does kick off, the PAF have thought of this possibility and have an action plane in place already.

All speculation of course, based on the new of some new blackouts!
That would be just pure folly at the moment. You have been exposed. Your tier 1 aircraft with its most advanced sensors (RBE2/SPECTRA) and weapons (meateor) was out gunned and blinded and you want to have round two without time to re-evaluate and rethink your gameplan? Forget about the other aircraft in the arsenal. Those will be sitting ducks.

Unless you now have unkil sam quarterbacking the fight?

phir bhi nayle hein....
 
it seems there will be constant barrage of Brahmos and SOW...
of course, they will NOT fire them at empty sheds!
I wouldn’t like our response to be ‘restrained’ this time…. Surely American cargos were a sign that they are building up
 
I will wait for my Indian trolls to comment on this video.
For us all, watch this, thank me later!

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This one was such a sad kill. Bechara never knew what hit him. was still in climb after taking off and picked off.
 

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