Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Sharma Ji said:
Aapki marzi, if Aladin ke jinn bharose rehna hai

the better idea, but, would be to get a bit of a real space program going.. ballistic missile program already hai.. why not take it (literally) up a few notches ?

Us gareebs in India done it...

if Kumar can do,
so can you !
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gives doggy USA chance to ban us!
 
side-winder said:
Yes, there were holes in our AD. No AD in the world can ever guarantee 100% foolproof security against high tech missiles. We'd be very happy to have known the performance of our air defence systems against your primary weapons of choice. We will definitely endeavor to improve our AD systems to achieve higher interception rate. Even at the present, the performance of our AD systems was not bad. You might not know but let me tell you. You guys launched 3-5 missiles on each of our air bases. Only one or two managed to make it through against each base. You targeted Rafiqui and Masroor as well. None of missiles could hit these two bases.

Nevertheless, sadly for your military, your "successful" didn't achieve much on ground except for minor infrastructure damage except for Bholari. Yes, it exposed the room for improvement in our AD. Thank you for that. We'll do something about it. You thought you would be invincible with Rafale and S400. We all saw how that went for you. Now you think you are invincible with BrahMos and SCALPs. We'll see how that goes for you next time.




I'd still be very mad about losing 6 high tech aircrafts including the very best and pride of my fleet. It shatters the whole confidence and pride of whole squadron. A black spot to remain forever for all the crew members. In return for being successful in doing infrastructure damage on other side. (While also receving the "limited" damage on your military installations as your spokeswoman said in MEA briefing)

The fake and doctored videos you're referring to aren't entirely fake. Some of them are true for sure. Else please enlighten us how all of them qualify as fake. The "limited" damage as your spokeswoman said, might be lesser than what's seen on our airbases. But definitely, not "limited" to be ignored.

I really think we should not have stuck to using only the Fatah system. We should have launched our better arsenal of weapons. Cruise missiles against cruise missiles. Then we'd have seen the real performance of your AD. But then, for another reason im happy we didn't use our cruise arsenal. We have seen your best choices while you only saw our basic options.
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Hindsight is always 6/6.
Could have, should have, must have etc are meaningless in this situation.
This way, India should have launched strike against Paksiatni bases first to deny their fighters to get airborne and shoot at it’s fighters. Should have. But does it matter anymore?

Same goes for your side. What weapons they chose and why was their calling. Did they do it well?

Number of weapons fired at a target is based on the expected failure that includes interception by any available means or their own failure. No one chooses it for the purpose of it being shot down by the enemy.

If Fatah could not deliver then it is fault of those who chose it for attacks. When they were being launched, I had seen these very members here declaring doom for Indian military, assuming massive damage.

On the contrary, there is not a single video of a launch of any weapon from Indian side. But we have seen the damage.
But we have adequate proof of who penetrated the defences and who couldn’t.

Coming to those videos being used as the backbone of claims by many fanboys.
A video made on ground with shaky hands and with unclear visuals can be taken from any conflict and claimed to be anything. I will take you back to 2019 when Abhinandan was captured. Remember how clear the videos were of his capture? What has happened now?
Why are these videos not even 10% as clear?

You take videos from Ukraine, most of them have clear visuals and one can glean useful information and do some verification.
That is why this cut, copy and paste job wouldn’t find any serious takers. Bhakts and fanboys can keep dancing around them as much as they want.
 
hasn2009 said:
How easy it would be to hit the carrier as it will be heavily guarded, dozens of jets, many destroyers and frigates.
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Not as easy as one would perceive. Escort ships carry multilayered air defence systems. Having said that, I don't know how the air defence is on the Indian ships that are part of its CVBG.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
Hindsight is always 6/6.
Could have, should have, must have etc are meaningless in this situation.
This way, India should have launched strike against Paksiatni bases first to deny their fighters to get airborne and shoot at it’s fighters. Should have. But does it matter anymore?

Same goes for your side. What weapons they chose and why was their calling. Did they do it well?

Number of weapons fired at a target is based on the expected failure that includes interception by any available means or their own failure. No one chooses it for the purpose of it being shot down by the enemy.

If Fatah could not deliver then it is fault of those who chose it for attacks. When they were being launched, I had seen these very members here declaring doom for Indian military, assuming massive damage.

On the contrary, there is not a single video of a launch of any weapon from Indian side. But we have seen the damage.
But we have adequate proof of who penetrated the defences and who couldn’t.

Coming to those videos being used as the backbone of claims by many fanboys.
A video made on ground with shaky hands and with unclear visuals can be taken from any conflict and claimed to be anything. I will take you back to 2019 when Abhinandan was captured. Remember how clear the videos were of his capture? What has happened now?
Why are these videos not even 10% as clear?

You take videos from Ukraine, even hey have clear visuals and one can glean useful information and do some verification.
That is why this cut, copy and paste job wouldn’t find any serious takers. Bhakts and fanboys can keep dancing around them as much as they want.
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yesssssss!!! satisfy your ego!
 
SABRE said:
Not as easy as one would perceive. Escort ships carry multilayered air defence systems. Having said that, I don't know how the air defence is on the Indian ships that are part of its CVBG.
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ask that to USS Truman, that carrier had almost had a very rude awakening!
infact, it chose to leave the battlefield!
 
Vkdindian1 said:
Hindsight is always 6/6.
Could have, should have, must have etc are meaningless in this situation.
This way, India should have launched strike against Paksiatni bases first to deny their fighters to get airborne and shoot at it’s fighters. Should have. But does it matter anymore?

Same goes for your side. What weapons they chose and why was their calling. Did they do it well?

Number of weapons fired at a target is based on the expected failure that includes interception by any available means or their own failure. No one chooses it for the purpose of it being shot down by the enemy.

If Fatah could not deliver then it is fault of those who chose it for attacks. When they were being launched, I had seen these very members here declaring doom for Indian military, assuming massive damage.

On the contrary, there is not a single video of a launch of any weapon from Indian side. But we have seen the damage.
But we have adequate proof of who penetrated the defences and who couldn’t.

Coming to those videos being used as the backbone of claims by many fanboys.
A video made on ground with shaky hands and with unclear visuals can be taken from any conflict and claimed to be anything. I will take you back to 2019 when Abhinandan was captured. Remember how clear the videos were of his capture? What has happened now?
Why are these videos not even 10% as clear?

You take videos from Ukraine, even hey have clear visuals and one can glean useful information and do some verification.
That is why this cut, copy and paste job wouldn’t find any serious takers. Bhakts and fanboys can keep dancing around them as much as they want.
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No problem, like i said, part of me is happy we didn't use our advanced missiles. Because your missiles didn't hit anything really critical except for bholari. Those infrastructures would be repaired at half the cost of only one of six aircrafts you lost. Don't worry.

I made that point only because you seemed to be comparing the performance of AD systems.
 
side-winder said:
What critical infrastructure did you hit at PAF Bases?
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If runway counts as one, for an Air Force base then you know the answer. Many other building struck and shown as damaged had something that Paksiatn hasn’t acknowledged. Every one of these was empty with nothing inside? There is a doubt that the exact nature of damage would be accepted. Nothing wrong in it though.

Moreover, the Indian effort wasn’t to make a critical blow but display its intent by penetrating your AD and making its presence felt at many bases.

To that end, it was a great success.
While the same can’t be said for your side.

I say again, this does not count for the effort by PAF on the first day when it did a stellar job.
 
Jango007 said:
Indians have moved their Rafael all the way to Bangladesh ....Now if the opertaion Suhagraat is ongoing then why would you move your best fighters so far away from the front?
Perhaps something to worry about for Indians?
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no, i think they will use Navy and big missiles/brahmos/etc.
They won't use the IAF in next round. They need some wins and that is what they think is their best chance, via naval route.

Hopefully our "Silent Guy" is prepared well as it may be their first and ultimate test this time. PAF will need to fully back up the Navy and Army this time.
 
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