Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

While you’re trying to decide victory - India has provided satellite imagery of its attacks. Created an entire internal narrative of shooting down F-16s which has secured Modi and then seen aggressive GDP growth.

Then from that point they are building up a case for UN, FATF and even IAEA for which they are visiting all active nations of these bodies to win them to vote against Pakistan.

Meanwhile, Pakistani leadership has done its typical close ally tour(isn’t it clear GCC are no longer close ally??) - including the important regional power of Bhutan.

Then is sitting back and busy giving congratulations with “Shabash Sharif” in the lead.

All the while sheepishly providing justification that the nation with nothing to lose is the most dangerous or that remittance is at an all time high.

Bhaktora netizens have all the proof they need to visit every YT channel, Insta page and Reddit thread to provide how they destroyed PAF bases while converting even those who initially were surprised at PAF performance to start thinking that perhaps only one Rafale crashed as CFIT and two other aircraft were lose while India hit targets all through Pakistan with impunity.

All you have is retd AVM or ACdres going round robin on GNN, Bol or other obscure YT channels talking to the brilliance of the victory.

Or you have PTI wallay comments everywhere looking to get Alley slaam out as if Punjtara gives a shit now.
No doubt they have more international clout due to comparative size of their economy and more internet warriors due to larger size. What is the immediate solution to the false narrative? When Godi media does it, it’s job well done for convincing their population and larger world with their lies, when our tv channels talk of brilliance of victory, that’s a bad thing?
If India had shot down 6 jets including 3 J-10’s using Ra-fails and LCA, they would have declared Modi a living God. By contrast we don’t mention S.Sharif without adding a derogatory reference. Pakistanis by nature only see the glass half full and don’t need anyone else to flog them because they’re quite happy doing it to themselves. Indians by contrast look at a completely empty glass and still see it as full and also busy themselves telling everyone else it’s full to the brim.
 
There are videos in social media now where Pak's FATAH, missiles, ammunition did indeed hit Indian land. Most of these videos are recorded from CCTVs and mobile cameras by locals.

Understandably these videos are recorded from distance but still they are not proof that they hit the intended targets i.e., airbases, military installations or caused any damage.

Satellite images can be good proofs but so far we have seen none and this only indicates that Pak strikes caused minimal to no damage to Indian military installations. DG ISPR also knows this reality otherwise he would have got the satellite images by now and/or he would not have relied on Indian media or Indian military presser as a proof that Pak caused damages to Indian airbases.

Here in Pak, public is happy by seeing FATAHs were being fired towards India but really don't care whether they hit the targets or not.

There is also no proof that Indian air defences successfully intercepted FATAH. So most probably FATAH avoided Indian air defences but missed their targets.

Compared to Pak air defences, Indian air defences still performed better because everyone has seen the satellite images of damages to Pak air bases in terms of runways and destroyed hangars and this is really embarrassing.
you are right, by a fair extent, but also wrong to some extent.
My food for thought would be, not to thought too much over what we missed rather I would focus on thinking abt building on counter for this time.
 
Err…..no. Indian intention was very clear. It got a humiliating bitch slapping on the first day and Modi and co were desperate to somehow at least give the impression of balancing the books. The AF had already failed and could only be used sparingly, hence resorted to drones and missiles. The rest is just made up BS and ongoing efforts to cope / somehow change the narrative from the humiliating truth to ‘ u did ok on the first day but we dominated after that and more than made up for it’ The only people that BS is gonna work on is hapless Indian Public who wants to believe it via misplaced nationalism and Modi controlled Godi media.
I agree with your assessment. The person you are responding to has spun a web of copium for personal consumption.

The main point being neglected is the first day attack package of 70+ aircraft, including some of the world's best multi role jet fighters. This level of aerial deployment with intent to initiate a direct assault on an enemy has not been seen since Desert Storm.

The intention was to cripple Pakistani air defences and ground the PAF on day 1.

@Vkdindian1 has convinced himself that this plan was simply meant as some circus performance or a mere show of force. He would have us believe that the Indian public would settle for a fireworks display after whipping them into a frenzy to "retake" Azad Kashmir.

In general, I am wholly in favour of letting Indians believe their delusions regarding the recent conflict, including its origins, narratives, and outcomes. We should not interrupt their ululations on this matter.

However, in truth, I suspect that they are not truly that deluded, and the attempts at misdirection and obfuscation that this poster and others are famous for are the least they can contribute to the national cause of covering up for Indian military failures.

Deep down, they - like their military - know that Pakistan is more than a match for them militarily, without even needing nuclear weapons. The water terrorism against our nation will be responded to next and Indians will be well aware of this.

We need to quietly learn our lessons amidst the background noise and be ready for next time.
 

After DeepSeek, China's JC10 moment​


Imtiaz Gul
May 31, 2025

The writer heads the independent Centre for Research and Security Studies, Islamabad. He is currently a visiting Research Fellow at Fudan University, Shanghai

Amidst the intricate tapestry of Chinese intellectual and academic circles, a distinct sense of pride permeates the nation's achievements. The recent, albeit perilous, Indo-Pak confrontation (May 7-10) serves as a catalyst for this sentiment. As the ongoing war of information and propaganda intensifies, Chinese intellectuals eagerly celebrate the groundbreaking milestones achieved through their technological advancements, particularly in the domains of AI-driven satellites, jet fighters and missiles, in collaboration with the Pakistan Air Force. They find amusement in the spotlight that has been bestowed upon their defence hardware, which emerged triumphant after four days of engagement.

Following the DeepSeek, Beijing and Shanghai have experienced a collective sense of triumph akin to the JC10-PL15 Moment for most academics. This moment is fueled by the successful demonstration of their technology, which has garnered widespread attention.

An excerpt from The National Interest elucidates the recriminations between the Indian and French governments over access to source codes for the Rafale jets. These events have engendered both anger in India and amusement in Beijing.

Chinese social media platforms have been abuzz with these developments, as they find amusement in the circumstances. After all, why should they not? Chinese weapons and warplanes exceeded expectations during the conflict. When news emerged of India's inability to access Dassault's source code, coinciding with India's capture of an intact Chinese PL-15 missile, one of Beijing's "wolf warrior", diplomats took to X to mock New Delhi: "India invested $288 million per Rafale, yet they lack access to the source code. Furthermore, they assert their ability to 'extract the software' from the wreckage of a PL-15 missile. However, they are unable to access the fundamental functions of their own Rafale jets."

While exuberance is understandable, it should not be construed as complacency. The Indo-Pak confrontation has only served as a catalyst for further pursuit of excellence through meticulous deliberation and strategic planning, both domestically and internationally.

Discussions at universities, think tanks and official quarters continue to be influenced by the recent four-day conflict between nuclear rivals, India and Pakistan. The episode appears to have energised Chinese academia to engage in forward planning and explore options for enhanced and more effective cooperation with partner countries, particularly Pakistan.

Why is this the case? Consistency is ensured by the Communist Party, which underpins China's entire political economy and the intellectual growth led by a dedicated leadership that ascends the political ladder through a rigorous accountability process. Only those with the utmost integrity and demonstrated commitment to the party and the people are successful in this process.

What unites these individuals is an unwavering faith in the well-being of citizens and the belief that investment in human resources is essential for progress.

Whether it is the iconic Great Wall in Beijing or Shanghai, Yiwu or Guangzhou, China's defence hi-tech capabilities, dozens of high-altitude glass bridges, or Shanghai's Global Finance Center, they all convey the same message: unwavering policy consistency, honesty and visionary leadership, coupled with absolute focus on the welfare and education of the people. These factors have transformed China and propelled it to a position where it is now asserting itself even against the United States. While President Trump's bullying tactics were met with resistance, China agreed to engage in diplomatic discussions but refused to yield.

The recent grand summit in Kuala Lumpur, which involved China, ASEAN and the GCC, provided a glimpse of Beijing's unwavering commitment to peaceful engagement and win-win cooperation rather than coercive diplomacy. While President Biden's Build Back Better World initiative has seemingly lost momentum, the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) continues to thrive and attract an increasing number of countries.

Since Xi Jinping assumed the presidency in 2012, China has invested hundreds of millions of dollars in research and capacity building. Notably, the Chinese military has undergone a significant reduction in personnel, with nearly 300,000 personnel being eliminated. Additionally, the generals have been instructed to prioritise their professional duties and future challenges rather than engaging in commercial ventures. The People's Liberation Army (PLA) must maintain its focus on excellence and avoid any involvement in commercial activities. Both the PLA and the Communist Party have endured severe purges of high-ranking officials for corruption, inefficiency and betrayal of their responsibilities.

The driving force behind China's current success lies in an ecosystem anchored in solid planning, facilitated knowledge and skill development, and the pursuit of excellence. This system operates on merit and celebrates knowledge and skills.

Coincidentally, as I was concluding this article, a public service text message arrived on my mobile device, reminding us that May 30th is the 9th National Science and Technology Workers' Day and coincides with the 25th National Science and Technology Activity Week.

"We extend our utmost respect to all science and technology workers. Let us harness innovation as our guiding principle and hard work as our propulsion, collectively constructing the vision of a robust nation through science and technology," said the message from the ministry.

This inspiring message serves as a testament to the recognition of science and technology as the indispensable key to self-sufficiency and competitiveness, positioning China at a significant advantage over other nations.

It is unsurprising that China is experiencing a surge of technological achievements that few countries can boast of - something that instills a sense of confidence and fosters national pride.
 
Their cope is irrelevant and downplaying their internal delusion is folly. They can rearm to whatever capabilities they want while you’re hoping for crypto bros to bail you out.

Doesn’t matter how many you shot down - it’s them being able to make it through your AD with saturation (which was expected) but you not being able to show that you could scratch them too.

Because what’s going to happen is that they can sell a follow up war internally - no problem because the Bhaktoras are brainwashed into genocide in India at this point but it also weakens your allies perception on when India attacks next and they will attack - you are still celebrating what could be partially successful tactics and they’ve already learned what they needed to.

This entire narrative is being pushed
I see it everywhere on every feed

India hit terror targets and put Pakistan in its place
India will not stop here to prevent spread of terrorism worldwide
Pakistan COAS is a religious extremist and nuclear weapons will end up in terrorists hands

Etc etc
You're bang on the mark. The argument over "evidences" is now irrelevant. We need to get ready fast.
 
There are videos in social media now where Pak's FATAH, missiles, ammunition did indeed hit Indian land. Most of these videos are recorded from CCTVs and mobile cameras by locals.

Understandably these videos are recorded from distance but still they are not proof that they hit the intended targets i.e., airbases, military installations or caused any damage.

Satellite images can be good proofs but so far we have seen none and this only indicates that Pak strikes caused minimal to no damage to Indian military installations. DG ISPR also knows this reality otherwise he would have got the satellite images by now and/or he would not have relied on Indian media or Indian military presser as a proof that Pak caused damages to Indian airbases.

Here in Pak, public is happy by seeing FATAHs were being fired towards India but really don't care whether they hit the targets or not.

There is also no proof that Indian air defences successfully intercepted FATAH. So most probably FATAH avoided Indian air defences but missed their targets.

Compared to Pak air defences, Indian air defences still performed better because everyone has seen the satellite images of damages to Pak air bases in terms of runways and destroyed hangars and this is really embarrassing.

Conversely it could be argued that there was significant damage to indian military bases by Pakistani missiles but neither the Pakistani military nor the indian government want these to be revealed as it would cause an outrage in india for a full scale war with Pakistan, something neither Pakistan or india want. Before the war started, india was claiming that they are going to do to Pakistan what the israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza so then why did the indians stop their attack? Why did they agree to the ceasefire all of a sudden? What REALLY happened? The truth may be too hard to admit to.
 

India Faces diplomatic setback as Colombia rejects its war stance​


India has suffered another diplomatic blow as Colombia dismissed New Delhi’s narrative regarding the recent conflict with Pakistan, according to Indian newspaper The Hindu. The rejection adds to India’s growing international isolation following its military aggression after the Pahalgam incident.

A report from The Hindu revealed that an Indian parliamentary delegation visiting Colombia faced embarrassment when the Colombian government expressed sorrow over the loss of Pakistani lives caused by Indian airstrikes, rather than supporting India’s claim of self-defense.

Shashi Tharoor, a senior Congress MP leading the Indian delegation, admitted disappointment over Colombia’s response. He criticized the Colombian authorities for not sympathizing with victims of terrorism and instead expressing condolences for those killed during India’s Operation Sindoor.

Tharoor stated, “We are disappointed that Colombia appeared more concerned about casualties in Pakistan than those affected by the terror attack in Pahalgam. There should be no moral equivalence between terrorists and those defending their country.”

He went on to say that India was merely exercising its right to self-defense. Tharoor stressed that the international community must distinguish between aggressors and defenders, and India will continue its diplomatic efforts to clarify its position.

This setback in Colombia is part of a broader trend where India’s attempts to justify its recent military actions have failed to gain traction globally. Despite sending delegations to rally support, India finds it increasingly difficult to convince the international community of its version of events.

 

India Faces diplomatic setback as Colombia rejects its war stance​


India has suffered another diplomatic blow as Colombia dismissed New Delhi’s narrative regarding the recent conflict with Pakistan, according to Indian newspaper The Hindu. The rejection adds to India’s growing international isolation following its military aggression after the Pahalgam incident.

A report from The Hindu revealed that an Indian parliamentary delegation visiting Colombia faced embarrassment when the Colombian government expressed sorrow over the loss of Pakistani lives caused by Indian airstrikes, rather than supporting India’s claim of self-defense.

Shashi Tharoor, a senior Congress MP leading the Indian delegation, admitted disappointment over Colombia’s response. He criticized the Colombian authorities for not sympathizing with victims of terrorism and instead expressing condolences for those killed during India’s Operation Sindoor.

Tharoor stated, “We are disappointed that Colombia appeared more concerned about casualties in Pakistan than those affected by the terror attack in Pahalgam. There should be no moral equivalence between terrorists and those defending their country.”

He went on to say that India was merely exercising its right to self-defense. Tharoor stressed that the international community must distinguish between aggressors and defenders, and India will continue its diplomatic efforts to clarify its position.

This setback in Colombia is part of a broader trend where India’s attempts to justify its recent military actions have failed to gain traction globally. Despite sending delegations to rally support, India finds it increasingly difficult to convince the international community of its version of events.


Muchos gracias Colombia
 
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should we consider launching a Skuta-type and chemically luminous skin-surface missile in the end for good footage and psycho effects? @side-winder @Panzerkiel
 

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