Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Baibers_1260]

If Pakistan loses, our fate will be worst than that of the Palestinians in Gaza. In order to win, we must have the capability and willingness to completely wipe india off the face of the universe..

<If Pakistan loses ...> We must define what losing means and define what is winning.

A. Winning

• We win by not allowing India to win a conventional war, which means inflicting heavy casualties on the aggressor as it invades, and preserving our territorial integrity and sovereignty. . If the cost of conquering us is high hopefully the enemy will give up in the short term. Keeping our qualitative edge in weapons and tactics will hopefully help us survive. We win a defensive war while inflicting heavy punitive strikes on the enemy.

B. Losing

• Pakistan cannot lose in the classic sense. There will be no mass surrender or capitulation like Iraq (2003) or like Germany (1945). A delusional enemy, wants a complete surrender and depopulation of our nation. Unless there is completely corrupt incompetent leadership, and a complete loss of morale a classic defeat of Pakistan is unlikely to happen. A true patriotic government would have the courage to use nuclear weapons and the "losing " would be on both sides. It is in this scenario that mutual wiping off the map is probable. Even in the case of a corrupt immoral government actually surrendering formally; it is highly unlikely that the population of Pakistan (which is heavily armed) will simply walk into depopulation centers to be murdered while seeing their children skewered on bayonets and their women dishonored . This by the way is a common practice in the anti-Muslim pogroms in the Hindu heartland in India where State Armed Police militias join the fascist party thugs in the vilest atrocities. The Soviet Union had war-gamed the occupation of Pakistan and had estimated a minimum 25 year bloody resistance after the Pakistani Armed Forces had been eliminated.

Neither of the above scenarios is palatable to the enemy which is high on the nostalgia of its intervention in our tragic Civil War in 1971 and unrealistically wants a deja vu.
We have not even considered the stance of Pakistan's ally.
Praveen Sawhney's answer to a news anchor's question:
"When will Pakistan lose to India?"

Praveen Sawhney : Pakistan will lose to India when China will lose to India . India isn't fighting Pakistan alone.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

I think what China should focus on now is making shampoos, beauty products, medicines, processed foods, etc, with Gulf investment and Gulf as distributors, etc. There will be a huge market for that.

You guys .... don't you know how this industry works, right?

ALL of these are made in China. ALL OF THEM. Actually, from the same factories very likely. Only branding is done by companies selling them. So it does not matter which brand of shampoo you are buying, it is coming from China. Brands decide colors, visual presentation, smell that are unique to their product. Rest of "shampoo" is bulk produced. It is then packaged into big containers an shipped bulk to the brands who just QA/QC it and bottle it and sell it.

You can start your own brand by ordering this stuff on Ali-baba. Licensing / permits, marketing, QA/QC (there are labs for that already), bottling it and shipping it for retail.

Made in XYZ is just an eye wash.

Same is with medicines. APIs come from China. Bulk material for Release mechanism comes from China. Pill pressing and capsuling is done in India etc and shipped. Any country can become a pharma hub by buying from china, taking care of paperwork, doing QA/QC in importer country and selling it to established brands.

Made in India is just that. It is packaging and customized and legal work done in India. LOL!

So does not matter which "Made in" you are buying, you are buying Made in China.

 

[TopGun786]

Didn’t AD thwart the attacks from the opposite side? I would consider Indian AD performance much better in this regard.

Problem is your AD did not even show one single interception of any PAF jet or any Fatah missile so far.
Your WhatsApp defence experts and fan boys did chest thumping however how IAF jets especially Rafales intercepted PL-15s successful by putting their bodies against those missiles.
On the other hand Pakistan did provide video proof how quite a many Brahmos, scalp and even one interceptor from your S-400 was intercepted.
Not a single proven interception from your side Still Pakistan army assessed and provided figures of your interception rate at 16.10% ....... Which is extremely low if you can compare with other good forces.

 

[Jango007]

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Wreckage of three Rafaels.....

 

[Khanivore]

So this Takla creature is saying if Pakistan continues to celebrate suhag raat, next time Indian navy may respond ...because the air has been punched out of the Indian Air Force.

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Indirectly confirming the utter failure of the Indian air force.

Is he aware the PL-15s and CM-400s are also deployed in the south?

 

[TopGun786]

no, as per this indian bro's logic, IAF had planned better!

Planned better and lost 6 jets.
Imagine if their planning was not better..... Whole IAF fleet would have gone.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

And unless there is a real change in India's policies over the Indus Water Treaty and Kashmir soon, I think Pakistan should take the Indian Occupied Kashmir

It has been an incremental, frog in boiling water, strategy... I personally see this as continuation of theatrics they've been playing internally. Changing status of Kashmir, redrawing boundaries and furthering this dynamic into Pakistan by well placed media centric events that not only served to sway the electorate but also shaping threshold of conflict, an umbrella, under which acceptable levels of escalation, a new normal... they immediately went for the treaty, as if this was enough of a casus belli to withdraw... in here, when Pakistan that had continuously and simultaneously blamed Indians for terrorism, targeting of civilians, Chinese contractors, military personnel and infrastructure never raised temperature with India.
So, this was crafted cock and bull that again coincided with domestic election cycle and pushed agenda on Kashmir... this time on water! This is coupled with suppression of media and a bellicose rhetoric that further aims to target a set agenda. Unless someone missed it... they're walking lock step on tight rope for a target they assume canbe achieved.

The rhetoric around water pushes this up to the hilt in driving the urgency of matter home. As anyone who assumed that all was good and dandy must reflect on this whole episode and their charted path in their own words.

 

[Goenitz]

You guys .... don't you know how this industry works, right?

ALL of these are made in China. ALL OF THEM. Actually, from the same factories very likely. Only branding is done by companies selling them. So it does not matter which brand of shampoo you are buying, it is coming from China. Brands decide colors, visual presentation, smell that are unique to their product. Rest of "shampoo" is bulk produced. It is then packaged into big containers an shipped bulk to the brands who just QA/QC it and bottle it and sell it.

You can start your own brand by ordering this stuff on Ali-baba. Licensing / permits, marketing, QA/QC (there are labs for that already), bottling it and shipping it for retail.

Made in XYZ is just an eye wash.

Same is with medicines. APIs come from China. Bulk material for Release mechanism comes from China. Pill pressing and capsuling is done in India etc and shipped. Any country can become a pharma hub by buying from china, taking care of paperwork, doing QA/QC in importer country and selling it to established brands.

Made in India is just that. It is packaging and customized and legal work done in India. LOL!

So does not matter which "Made in" you are buying, you are buying Made in China.

I know man. At least, the raw material is made in China. Even for the Indian pharma industry, ingredients come from China.
That is why I said it should be sold as a final product under the Gulf brand and as a distributor, while China can remain the manufacturer.

Lastly, Western companies have huge margins on Made in China products. So, why should that money go to them? It is better if it goes to SA, UAE or Turkey (from our perspective)

 

[That_Guy]

It took you that long?

No, i said this years ago.

At the time, I called it a white people war, and that the global south should stay away from it.

 

[StormBreaker]

Why did they name it sindoor?

 

[PK781]

Aircraft Carrier aik CM-400AKG ke maar hai. I wish it had come out so we could have made another history.

Now we are looking forwrd to the day we see videos of ins vikrant and their other ships sinking in the arabian sea.

 

[That_Guy]

I do wonder/worry if they are going to do some theatrics with Bangladesh in the near term to try and deflect failure with Pakistan to some level of success against Bangladesh ? Lets see ..

I've been saying this for a while now that India is trying to make a case for war with BD. Losing a puppet as useful as Sheikh Hasina was a massive loss for them, and they'll look to both punish BD, and bring it back under its sphere of influence through force.

Right now they're accusing BD's security forces of cooperating with the ISI, and of threatening India's siliguri corridor (aka India's chicken neck).

I do think they're gonna attack BD sooner or later under the guise of both fighting terrorism, and protecting the Hindu population.

 

[mshan61]

Never ask
--- a women about her age
---- a man about his income
---- an indian about rafale


2019 ---- Tea is fantastic
2025----- losses are part of combat lol.


Indian rafale pilots using a learner plate after loosing against paf .

 

[TAC]

Few who will question Modi & Godi narrative in India and those who dare to are quickly set upon by BJP / labelled as pro Pakistan….

Revanth Reddy asks PM Modi: ‘How many Rafale jets shot down’ by Pakistan; BJP says ‘stick to Miss World photo ops’

Telangana CM Revanth Reddy faces backlash for questioning PM Modi on Rafale jets shot down by Pakistan during Operation Sindoor.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[iblini]

I hope my govt has taken notes about India's reaction before and after the conflict, this nation can not be reason with, they don't understand a single alphabet of "mutual economic benefit".
The only language they do understand is by force and pure power, so just build build build.