Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

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[Vapnope]

Indian cyber warriors still post about the F16 shotdown by Mig 21, now imagine if actually an F16 was lost to India this skirmish. Indian side would have declared the total takeover of Pakistan. Imagine just imagine !

 

[Baibers_1260]

Sindoor is symbolic of husband for Hindu ladies... Its to highlight its aim of avenging the killing of Hindu men and widowing of Hindu ladies...

@StormBreaker
Touching and symbolic. Future follow up operations could be named in a similar way.:

• Mangalsutra, ,
• Karwa Chauth
• Bindi
• Sati

"Avenging of Hindu men and widowing of Hindu ladies "

One victim of the massacre was a Muslim tour guide, and an Indian army Muslim jawan died in the operation trying to apprehend the terrorists. I guess only Hindu men and Hindu ladies were to be avenged. The rest don't count.

 

[TopGun786]

Let it arrive and we will talk about it. Less likely because DF-17 has much longer range than 300 KM.

I give you a hint
PL-15E missile provided to you Pakistan has a range of only 145 kilometers.
Rest is history.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

This entire narrative is being pushed
I see it everywhere on every feed

India hit terror targets and put Pakistan in its place
India will not stop here to prevent spread of terrorism worldwide
Pakistan COAS is a religious extremist and nuclear weapons will end up in terrorists hands

Foiled spectacularly, in fact...

Apu and his team are not even getting an audience... even worse blew up spectacularly in Columbia! Where they officially empathized with Pakistani civilians murdered by saffron nazis.
In hindsight, Pakistan never really put Indian targets under the scanner but international media were allowed access, who, inspite of full view used partial lexicon... reminiscent of coverage on zionist atrocities. That being said Indians were no fools ... they had planned this to generate optics... stand off munitions dispensed from safe distances showcasing an emergent regional power. That not only sanctions a neighbor for its behavior, cuts off its water but also punishes assumed incumbents ... a script out of zionist play book to the Tee!

They did not script losses... nor a licking they couldn't sustain, overwhelm or in escalation dominance... ten cent nazi in fact came out of the shellacking with a gripe... Pakistan instead started whipping us!
That right there cratered any narrative or sustained parallel build up... their own media now exposed went silent... and now masses are coming out of the shock. Their defense minister dutifully pushing navy for the next adventure.

At this point it isn't even about a coherent narrative... it is optics! Or promise of avatar in a teabag eviscerates! There is way too big of a gap between the two air forces... they'll no longer face PAF head on... they can plan saturation attacks or simple push their greater troop number into an unsustainable meat grinder... or have the navy attempt a blockade.

The board though is stacked up against India and they just found that out in the very first curtain drop.

 

[side-winder]

As I assess the Indian effort was not degrade the runways completely but display its intent. If the aim was complete degradation then more points would have been hit. The aim was to show sub-metric strike capability far and wide which appears to have displayed well.

It surely did a good job at optics. However, you definitely tried to get atleast some aircrafts / equipment damaged on ground particularly in hangars. Primarily, because the air battle on 6-7 had really really hurt your ego and pride. So you really wanted to get some aircrafts hit on ground to balance the damage. Nevertheless, as long as it helps in narrative building - and the gullible public is satisfied with impression that 11 air bases were "desroyed". All is well.

 

[Vapnope]

@StormBreaker
Touching and symbolic. Future follow up operations could be named in a similar way.:

• Mangalsutra, ,
• Karwa Chauth
• Bindi
• Sati

"Avenging of Hindu men and widowing of Hindu ladies "

One victim of the massacre was a Muslim tour guide, and an Indian army Muslim jawan died in the operation trying to apprehend the terrorists. I guess only Hindu men and Hindu ladies were to be avenged. The rest don't count.

Next op name should be Niyoga instead

 

[Vkdindian1]

It surely did a good job at optics.

It wasn’t optics. It was signalling of the capability that could come in play if any more escalation had taken place.

So you really wanted to get some aircrafts hit on ground to balance the damage.

I defer again. If the aim was to destroy aircraft, then Nur Khan base had many lined up on the apron, visible in pre and post attack pictures. A salvo of few more Brahmos could have easily destroyed many of them. India has very good satellite intelligence capability to know this fact and exploit it. Which wasn’t the likely case.

Indian attacks were carried out against various kinds of target systems to display its sub-metric strike capability by beating your AD. Both were achieved to a fair degree.

Nevertheless, as long as it helps in narrative building - and the gullible public is satisfied with impression that 11 air bases were "desroyed". All is well.

Gullible public exists on both the sides. And both create a narrative to appease them and make them happy. What was sold and bought by fanboys and Bhakts isn’t my concern.

To me, it was not about destruction of 11 bases but display of what can come if things escalate. That was conveyed well.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

All the OSINT videos released in last 3 days from Pakistani side have effectively put the Indians claims of shooting down every Fateh-1 down to the rest. Dozens of missile made impact on ground but I believe still satellite images to confirm the extent of their damage are required for fair assessment. Free imagery like Sentinel Hub is not of good quality. Google Earth's images are v old. So, MAXAR must be paid to get data or some other space agency.

 

[Vkdindian1]

India hasn’t claimed that all Fatah missiles were shot down. India doesn’t have that kind of capability. AD is deployed to protect key installations, both civil and military. And a missile likely to hit them are attempted to be neutralised. It is again not possible to intercept each and very often them.

The Indian spokesperson had accepted that few bases were attacked and minor damage to men and material. No OSINT videos are required to prove this aspect. When a Fatah class of missile makes an impact, it is bound to cause massive blast and fire affect. The same has been captured and distributed as proof of destruction. Missile hitting inside a base and causing meaningful damage are two vastly opposite things. Missile hitting a runway or missing it by few meters is all the difference between being lethal or not.

This is where Fatah failed to make any credible effect.

There could be two main reasons for that -

1. Indian AD was very potent and neutralised most threatening missiles approaching them, thereby reducing damage to key installations.

2. Inaccuracy of Fatah as a system. Is Fatah capable of striking targets with pin point accuracy or is it an area weapon? Was it just fired towards Indian targets with an aim to cause area destruction or engage specific targets.

Both appear to be true in part.

Had some other accurate weapon been used, probably, Indian AD could have been beaten and better results obtained for Paksiatn.

 

[side-winder]

It wasn’t optics. It was signalling of the capability that could come in play if any more escalation would have taken place.

If anymore escalation had taken place then we too would have gone for our next tier strike options. Rest assured, your bases would not have been spared either.

I defer again. If the aim was to destroy aircraft, then Nur Khan base had many lined up on the apron, visible in pre and post attack pictures. A salvo of few more Brahmos could have easily destroyed many of them. India has very good satellite intelligence capability to know this fact and exploit it. Which wasn’t the likely case.

There was alot more at Nur Khan than C130s. It was the equipment that you wanted to hit at Nur Khan. I won't go into more details on a public forum.

To me, it was not about destruction of 11 bases but display of what can come if things escalate. That was conveyed well.

And PAF conveyed very well the capability to shoot your aircrafts from far off distances without letting the adversary even know what's happening to them. Enforcing effectively a no fly zone within atleast 150 km of border.

Like i said, no AD system in the world can guarantee you 100% security. So, in case of any operational capability compromise at our bases, we would have made sure to return the favor by using our next tier strike options, while continuing to enjoy the air superiority in the skies.

 

[Sharma Ji]

gives doggy USA chance to ban us!

True, rockets are dual use. India sent xhit to the moon (nevermind it crashed) .. delivery system to hai maal chaand pe phochaney ka.

and ek baar chaand pe delivery kar di and Mangal (mars) ke orbit me daal dia sattelite, then Washington, London, Tokyo, Australia is kids play, right ?

but sadly, military waali ICBM type we can't be testing.. for fear of being sanctioned to hell by the gora ruling elite of this dunia.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

Foiled spectacularly, in fact...

Apu and his team are not even getting an audience... even worse blew up spectacularly in Columbia! Where they officially empathized with Pakistani civilians murdered by saffron nazis.
In hindsight, Pakistan never really put Indian targets under the scanner but international media were allowed access, who, inspite of full view used partial lexicon... reminiscent of coverage on zionist atrocities. That being said Indians were no fools ... they had planned this to generate optics... stand off munitions dispensed from safe distances showcasing an emergent regional power. That not only sanctions a neighbor for its behavior, cuts off its water but also punishes assumed incumbents ... a script out of zionist play book to the Tee!

They did not script losses... nor a licking they couldn't sustain, overwhelm or in escalation dominance... ten cent nazi in fact came out of the shellacking with a gripe... Pakistan instead started whipping us!
That right there cratered any narrative or sustained parallel build up... their own media now exposed went silent... and now masses are coming out of the shock. Their defense minister dutifully pushing navy for the next adventure.

At this point it isn't even about a coherent narrative... it is optics! Or promise of avatar in a teabag eviscerates! There is way too big of a gap between the two air forces... they'll no longer face PAF head on... they can plan saturation attacks or simple push their greater troop number into an unsustainable meat grinder... or have the navy attempt a blockade.

The board though is stacked up against India and they just found that out in the very first curtain drop.

Seeing is believing my friend... seeing is believing.

 

[Vkdindian1]

If anymore escalation had taken place then we too would have gone for our next tier strike options. Rest assured, your bases would not have been spared either.

At this point one can talk about what had been displayed. What could have been done can only be a speculation.

Both sides chose their cards and showed what they can achieve.

PAF did well on day one.

But claiming that they had Air Superiority is too far fetched of a claim. It was IAF aircraft that were firing these very weapons that have caused the damage across. They delivered what they wanted unopposed. And deep inside Paksiatn.
The surprise to IAF on day one lasted for that day.

As the escalation didn’t take place, there was enough of good and bad for both sides. For India, loss of aircraft was a big one though.