Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

One issue I see all the time is that people look at specs and believe that's what decides everything. It can't be further from the truth. The Rafale specs do indeed look good on paper: 4.5 gen, SPECTRA EW system which is alleged to be one of the best, etc... But one has to understand that an effective military is based on an effective system of all the moving parts working seamlessly and together. What our Pakistan Military had that India didn't was a working system: data links integrated into a battlefield network utilising Al (Chinese based), effective use of that network to identify, track, and target Rafales, effective multi-layer jamming to confuse Indian aircraft and radar systems, The training of the PAF pilots and operational personnel utilising AEW&C asset(s) to detect Rafales and vector PL-15 missiles launched from J-10C to their targets was superb . What we were given by PAF was a best a text book Air operation you will see neutralising an opponent’s modern Airforce . Pakistani operation will be studied in depth and its validation of using an integrated systems approach using a battlefield network to use standoff distance and fire BVR missiles effectively, downing Indian fighters. The final thing is that Chinese weapons and battlefield network proved effective. The West is seriously underestimating our ally China and I don't think anything will change. The French are already offering excuses why the Rafales were shot down. The US still believes it can defeat China. Remember why we Pakistanis are righty celebrating JC-10 as a amazing modern fighter. Shockingly the J-10 and PL-15 are considered low-tier systems by Chinese themselves . western countries will now be worried Chinese have much better stuff for B-2, F-22, and F-35 stealth aircraft in the event of a war. I might be to cocky saying this . I strongly believe Pakistan airspace will not be intruded by the IAF for years to come they are now playing catch up if they ever can. India has in theory accepted its failure and conceded to it Pakistan’s airspace is not penetrable by current IAF they reason they ground their entire fleet after what PAF did to to it. . India will now be forced to go same route as Irans drones and investing in missile technology to hit Pakistan no risk to loosing its Aircraft in the future conflict
 
could be the mighty tejas or old bisons or Su30s ? Old Russian tech thats obsolete (flying coffins). They were scared to move them due to active PAF roaring in their skies.
It is possible and maybe they did not want to show that they are in panic
 
Indians are now corralling Greece, Cyprus and Armenia against Turkey, Azerbaijan and Pakistan alliance. Greek Rafales will also be hunted like the Indian Rafales. France is godfather of Rafale alliance and is now scared losing its defence sales..
 
Indians are now corralling Greece, Cyprus and Armenia against Turkey, Azerbaijan and Pakistan alliance. Greek Rafales will also be hunted like the Indian Rafales. France is godfather of Rafale alliance and is now scared losing its defence sales..
Turkey, Azerbaijan, Pakistan and China..
It says a lot
 
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Can you PLEASE not insult monkeys by linking them to indians. That is EXTREMEY offensive. I don't want you to get banned.
 
From where I see there's a big fight going on between armored forces and modi
 
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What a disgusting perverted little excuse for a man. Indians seem to know how to behave one way only.
 
Indians are now corralling Greece, Cyprus and Armenia against Turkey, Azerbaijan and Pakistan alliance. Greek Rafales will also be hunted like the Indian Rafales. France is godfather of Rafale alliance and is now scared losing its defence sales..

@Foinikas Is Greece going to follow Indian dictation?
 
The missile exchange was not even - India successfully penetrated Pakistan’s AD with the Brahmos showing near impunity save for reduced accuracy due to GNSS spoofing.

The entire focus was to ground PAF and while the initial strikes caused limited to no operational impact at most PAF bases hit - it shows that your AD infra especially shorads are hollow.

Then comes what you did - a lot of your strikes which were not shot down by very effective Indian AD did similar non-critical damage to Indian bases but unlike Indians you don’t even have proof to back those up.

In the end - India may have “lost” a tactical battle in the air and it’s impact was absent IAF in terms of contesting Pakistan’s air space - but their offensive SSM and Stand off capability was undeterred while your leadership kept holding and vacillating between pressures from GCC and US.

They caused more “on ground” damage to your air bases than you to them.

Your claim is that besides the fighters you took out the cheese board radar - which is possible but it is also as likely that after defeating the CM-400 they decided to withdraw the S-400 system to a dispersal site since its position was compromised.
That is technically a temporary “win” in a conflict but not a permanent victory.

Perhaps the true silent victory was that of the PN - it deterred submarine incursions while forcing P-8I patrols against your lone sub towards east and keeping their fleet at arms length with the threat of A2/AD.

Or that of troops in LoC who went all in and did not flinch at initial heavy IA power and proved more battle hardened than any of the Indian troops.
Do u think we could have caused more damage to their airbases had we launched Babur cruise missiles??
 
As @Meengla would say, inki deerh hoshiari keeps tripping them up

It was Pakistan's former Foreign Minister Mr. Khursheed Kasuri who said between April 22 Pahalgam attack and May 7 about the lack of foreign support to India: 'Indians were Too Clever by Half, DeRh Hushyaar by trying to join different camps at the same time'. [paraphrased].
India could have used Kasuri instead of Jaishankar.
 

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