Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Vkdindian1 said:
After the loss of aircraft on day one, IAF didn’t launch anything and remained on ground. This statement is correct.

But, it analysed what went wrong on 7th and re-calibrated its strategy and was on full force again on 10th.

Most of the weapons fired across were air launched on 10th and not SSMs. They didn’t face any resistance whatsoever.

While I give credit to PAF for what it achieved but it was restricted to 7th May. 9th onwards there was a counter strategy in place and utilised fully by the IAF on 10th.

Air Superiority can be claimed if one can deny the adversary air power to carry out its missions. Which wasn’t the case.

The air activity of fighters now is for them to go back to their bases and is in no way indicative that they were stuck on ground.
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The only "correction" IAF seems to have made is that they tried to target (or at least paint) Pakistan's forward land based AD sites by using drones to disrupt the multidimensional kill chain, and as far as we can see, that also failed.
 
The Indians deep down know they’ve lost this battle. Their brainwashing mentality does not allow them to admit this.

Anyways, getting back to the topic.

Timeline: (feel free to correct me)

May 8:
IAF with 72 aircrafts strike at multiple targets within Azad Kashmir and Pakistan releasing missiles at stand off range culminating in Operation Sindhoor. In the process, 6 jets down and 1 UAV lost.

May 9:
IAF is out of the picture. Indians say this is end of operations and do not seek to escalate. While the Indian army sends in drones to gather intelligence and hopes to overwhelm Pakistan’s AD and suppress Pakistan’s ability to respond.

May 10:
The Indian army, most likely to have seen Pakistan getting ready to respond, uses drones and missiles to strike at Pakistan’s AFBs. Some of Pakistan’s AFB are hit.

Pakistan in the early hours of May 10, initiates Operation Bunyan un Marsoos, sending drones, missiles at multiple targets including India’s AFBs, Brahmos manufacturing facility, Uri Brigadier HQ and most importantly S400 cheeseboards in Bhuj and Adampur. In addition, IAF operating well behind 200km from IB due to the PL15 range.

Afternoon, the Indian government announces via its spokesperson preference for deescalation. Multiple projectiles being sent by India on Pakistan AFBs during the time using land based platforms or aircrafts well behind PL15 range. Prior to ceasefire Pakistan’s AFB was hit and few hours later both sides agreed to a ceasefire with US intervention.

Question, there may be some discrepancies in the timeline, where there is a mention about S400 being taken out on May 8 itself, rather than May 10. This may be true, as that would give PAF a free license to operate AEW&C and jets without having to worry about S400s.
 
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Olympus81 said:
The Indians deep down know they’ve lost this battle. Their brainwashing mentality does not allow them to admit this.

Anyways, getting back to the topic.

Timeline: (feel free to correct me)

May 8:
IAF with 72 aircrafts strike at multiple targets within Azad Kashmir and Pakistan releasing missiles at stand off range culminating in Operation Sindhoor. In the process, 6 jets down and 1 UAV lost.

May 9:
IAF is out of the picture. Indians say this is end of operations and do not seek to escalate. While the Indian army sends in drones to gather intelligence and hopes to overwhelm Pakistan’s AD and suppress Pakistan’s ability to respond.

May 10:
The Indian army, most likely to have seen Pakistan getting ready to respond, uses drones and missiles to strike at Pakistan’s AFBs. Some of Pakistan’s AFB are hit.

Pakistan in the early hours of May 10, initiates Operation Bunyan un Marsoos, sending drones, missiles at multiple targets including India’s AFBs, Brahmos manufacturing facility, Uri Brigadier HQ and most importantly S400 cheeseboards in Bhuj and Adampur.

Afternoon, the Indian government announces via its spokesperson preference for deescalation. Prior to ceasefire Pakistan’s AFB was hit and few hours later both sides agreed to a ceasefire with US intervention.

Question, there may be some discrepancies in the timeline, where there is a mention about S400 being taken out on May 8 itself, rather than May 10. This may be true, as that would give PAF a free license to operate AEW&C and jets without having to worry about S400s.
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I remember days these bundians used to say that s-400 will make whole Pakistan no fly zone…. Tables turned with PL-15 as we made 200 km bufferzone over their airspace…
 
Scores of Surab attackers were eliminated just within 24 hours of their cowardly terrorist attack. With this rate of elimination, I don't think BLA terrorists will last long.

It looks like these terrorists don't get a chance for another attack once these terrorists expose themselves. These cowards preferred to run away as the security forces started their response. These they exposed their hide outs too where they were eliminated and many others captured.

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One important lesson learned from Pakistan’s perspective is, how much of a strategic advantage Pakistan achieved with a tactical weapon such as the PL15.

After downing of Indian jets, the IAF completely disengaged and withdrew 200km from IB.

In effect, this gave Pakistan strategic depth well inside Indian territory.

A natural next step would be to integrate PL15s into PAF JF17 Block 2 (if they haven’t already been). And engage the Chinese to integrate PL17s.
 
1000s of videos flying overall in social media of Indian AFBs up in smoke yet the Indians are adamant to show the satellite pictures.

What do you think happened there? Surely not a pressure cooker up in flames while daal was being cooked in the cafeteria.
 
side-winder said:
Hayyyee Bhaiyya jee. I wish you to have an insider friend in your airforce and ask him someday - is what you stated above really true? He'll tell you the story of 10th as well.

Not a single IAF fighter had the audacity to come within 200 km of border. Mostly SSMs were employed. But i don't expect you to believe. Anyway 😊

Doesn't it strike strange to you? Somehow, even on 10th, when PAF was on offensive close to border. Not a single PAF jet could be locked / downed. That only tells u one thing. The IAF had totally given up on thoughts of engaging PAF head on. Instead decided remain 200-300 km inside indian airspace. Now unfortunately, even at those distances, many of our bases still fall in targeting range of your ALCMs.

Like i said, the western bases close to our border were totally silent. Im not saying aircrafts were struck on ground but it was merely the fear of PAF that kept them on ground. Even on 10th, no PAF fighter was engaged by IAF fighter. No air activity on western bases close to border since 7th. Only a couple of days ago, sorties flew back to central / eastern bases.
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As a Think Tank, please use appropriate language and keep your Hayyyeeee etc to members who converse in that language. More so, considering that I have been more than respectful from my side.

You have your sources, I have mine.

On 10th, IAF was in full force and delivering its weapons at will. Each and every weapon launched against ground targets was Air Launched.
Your claim that none of the aircraft came within 200 kms of IB is also not factual. Please see the distance of Sargodha from IB and then work backwards to see what kind of ranges the weapons would have been launched by the IAF.

What is correct though, that IAF was on tenterhooks and ample precautions had to be taken after the surprise they got on 7th.

IAF had to rework the tactics due to PL-15s stellar performance. And that was successfully proven by the fact that IAF struck at targets all across with precision, unopposed.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
As a Think Tank, please use appropriate language and keep your Hayyyeeee etc to members who converse in that language. More so, considering that I have been more than respectful from my side.

You have your sources, I have mine.

On 10th, IAF was in full force and delivering its weapons at will. Each and every weapon launched against ground targets was Air Launched.
Your claim that none of the aircraft came within 200 kms of IB is also not factual. Please see the distance of Sargodha from IB and then work backwards to see what kind of ranges the weapons would have been launched by the IAF.

What is correct though, that IAF was on tenterhooks and ample precautions had to be taken after the surprise they got on 7th.

IAF had to rework the tactics due to PL-15s stellar performance. And that was successfully proven by the fact that IAF struck at targets all across with precision, unopposed.
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….ah shut up already.
 
May 10, Indian army launching projectiles (missiles, drones etc.) into Pakistan, one would be naive to think all or most projectiles hit their targets.

Otherwise Pakistan’s AFB would have been rendered non operational which clearly was not the case.

Having said that, Pakistan will be working to improve its AD especially against Indian SSCMs.
 
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