Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Abdul q]

Absolutely! You should avenge seminaries by hitting RSS camps. It will do a lot of Indian a "big" favor!

We’re not in evolutionary process unlike hindutva…. And hindutve terrorist seminars might have kids in them…. And we don’t want kids to die because of actions of few hindutva terrorists..

 

[Gripen9]

In chotaroon ko bataoo 40 saal pehle bhi ADC was not literally at PAF Chakala aka Nur Khan.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Mods : Please clean the thread from all political garbage.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[Gripen9]

کوئی فائدہ نہیں ہے

اب تو پھر وہی ایک طرف جشن اور دوسری طرف سیٹلائٹ سے دکھاؤ کی آواز لگے گی

ابھی تک انکو آبدوز کی پوری کہانی نہیں پتہ

بتادو نا ‌،

 

[Vox Non Dei]

We’re not in evolutionary process unlike hindutva…. And hindutve terrorist seminars might have kids in them…. And we don’t want kids to die because of actions of few hindutva terrorists..

Great man! Thats so considerate of you!

 

[PK781]

As the Days pass..., the Indians are getting more and more frustrated.

You can see it in their own Media - which as sad as it may sound is the only source of information*.

The opposition is constantly asking about their Operation Tandoor.

Ever since that CDS General Anil Chauhan dropped the "lost jets" bomb in Singapore a couple of days back - things have gone from bad to worse.

People asking about where that female Rafale pilot is 'cause she certainly ain't in Pakistan.

By the way..., has anyone noticed how (lately) the BJP has been trying to promote the pro-female narrative. They first put two females as spokesperson during that Operation of theirs. Recently, they awarded some female officers for bravery during the operation & how they made the enemy run away (acha, challo another Bollywood script in the making). They may have tried that with that (butt ugly) Rafale Pilot. But looks like she may not have made it.

Coming back...

France and Dassault want an audit. Not just of the Rafales, but most probably the Mirage 2000 too.

Things don't seem all great with the US.

Laser Eyes Jaishankar mouthing off everyone in Europe & US/Canada hasn't really helped their cause.

Shashi Tharoor and the rest of band wagon have just wasted the Tax-payers money on their trips - with truly nothing in return.

And now this..., Indian Media claims that PAF lost 6 Jets & 1 AWAC.

[Haan, acha theek. Een ki tou Amma hanger may jharoo dai rahe thee na.]​

And the best part is...PAF has NO issue the US doing an audit on their Vipers.

Americans are already in Shahbaz & Mushaf.

Bholari may ginti kay Vipers hain that we got from Jordan. Aoo, do the audit.

But India certainly doesn't want China to see what they have done with the Frenchs' pride & joy.

*Even that chut!ya Maj. Gaurav whatshisface ended up accepting that IAF did lose some number of Jets. He obviously threw the angle kay its not a big deal for India 'cause the amout is peanuts for India.

Brothers..., fikr NOT. A lot of good news coming our way [InshahAllah].

There is 1 Good News that I know, that will put under the dhooti of the Indians & I know how that bit will end up on Eurasian Times, IDRW and all the other crappy sites.

Lets keep 'em guessing.

I sure do not like any Americans to be going to our bases and checking our assets around. Get rid of the F16s (sell them off) and permanently get rid of the old equipment.........newer equipment of JF17, J10C and others from China should make up our fleet.
Americans coming to our bases is a big security risk.
Hope PAF works on this, seriously. It's not a loaned equipment where they need to keep tabs on every F16. Are they doing this everywhere they sold those jets?

 

[Khanivore]

Repeating the key point in your post.

It even goes beyond this. In fact, the whole Indian nation fears this.

They hate us so much and rail against us so vehemently, so much so they need to change names of food items and trash "Karachi" bakeries, simply because they genuinely fear us. There is paranoid and irrational fear of ghazwa e hind happening tomorrow, a fear taught to the entire nation by the deluded saffronist leadership.

For similar reasons, they are compelled to deny every single loss of material or manpower even when the reality stares them in the face. They have thrown reason and intellectual discourse under the bus and can only now parrot the official line obediently.

The irony is that by playing out this fear, ghazwa itself becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Absolutely. The fear is not just institutional, it’s cultural and psychological. What Musharraf exploited wasn’t just military vulnerability - it was the deep, irrational fear rooted in their national psyche. The very fact that India feels compelled to rename cities, ban food items, and erase anything remotely "Pakistani" reveals a society haunted by the idea of Pakistan’s existence, let alone its resolve.

This isn’t normal geopolitical rivalry - this is existential insecurity playing out as cultural hysteria. They can’t admit battlefield losses because even a single dent threatens their carefully constructed myth of dominance. They live in denial because the truth - that Pakistan can and has struck deep - terrifies them more than casualties. They're even prepared to disown or go dead silent regarding their own dead military personnel.

In this way, their fear constructs the very "Ghazwa" narrative they dread. The more they try to erase you from maps and minds, the more they manifest the very prophecy they fear. This is the psychological front where Pakistan must strike - with clarity, confidence, and zero hesitation.

 

[Khanivore]

IMO Taiwan is Chinas main focus. They would probably push Pak to improve its economic condition stabilise Balochestan and progress with CPEC. Taking IOK is no easy thing, when Pak is stronger it can make some stronger movements internally and externally.

You're right that Taiwan is China’s primary geopolitical concern, but that doesn't preclude coordinated regional moves. For China, a stable Pakistan - especially one that secures Balochistan and accelerates CPEC - is critical to its long-term Belt and Road ambitions. But let’s be clear: improving Pakistan’s economic health and internal stability is not an excuse to delay asserting core national interests like Kashmir.

Indian Occupied Kashmir won’t be "taken" in a single sweep - it’s about building layered leverage: economic strength, diplomatic clarity, and a credible posture of deterrence and initiative. Once Pakistan consolidates internally, it will be in a much stronger position to pressure India - diplomatically, informationally, and militarily - at the right moment.

This isn’t a sprint; it’s a long game, but one that requires moral courage and strategic clarity now, not later.

 

[Khanivore]

15-20 Brahmos & few scalps, with pin point accuracy on 13 bases , cantonment areas , radar sites etc

We have thousands , 100 would have been an overkill.

Besides we are yet to announce the PAF losses in air and on ground, Parliament session will answer everything.

Till then let the echo chamber hallucinate.

Wait, you actually meant to say we should all wait for the PAF "losses" to be announced in the new upcoming Bollywood movie - didn't you?

 

[Jango007]

It's a genuine idea since India is only targeting Punjab and Sind because in KPK they have their assets while in Balochistan they are fighting a proxy war against Pakistan.

Maybe spread those rumours again of Niazi being poisoned like Napoleon Bonaparte and attack Jinnah House and army barracks.

I like how PTI fans are allowed to call everyone else pigs. Something learned from Gaurav Arya? Why is it that anyone who disagrees with PTI fans has to go through racial slurs, jabbed for lack of education and mocked for being not materially well off.

There's a Farooqi currently in jail in Karachi for abusing a commoner. 10 bucks say he's a Niazi fan. Any takers?

People like you with your low intellect and idiocy should be the reason why birth control and abortion should be legal in Pakistan.

I mean look at what you are writing....calling an idiot an idiot and uneducated low intellect for what they are should not be something we should be ashamed of.

 

[Jango007]

Let me show Indian their true auqaat......

quoting from their own sources.

"The fact that India lost aircraft has been an open secret. The first official hint came when Director General of Air Operations, Air Marshal Awadhesh Kumar Bharti, stated at an official briefing on 11 May that “losses are a part of combat”. CDS General Chauhan also appeared to suggest that, following the initial aircraft losses, IAF operations were restricted for two out of the four days of fighting."
This presumably was to ensure that no further losses occurred to the Chinese-built PL-15E long-range air-to-air missile that likely downed our aircraft while the IAF developed tactics to counter it.
Even so, if indeed India was unable to fully commit its air power for half the duration of the conflict, this would be a much bigger, and unexpected, setback than the loss of airframes.
Keep in mind this was happening at a time when major sections of Indian television media were falsely telling Indians that the Karachi port had been destroyed and a Pakistani pilot was in Indian custody.
It is now clearer that India will bear significant costs for any future military operation, especially given Chinese support to Pakistan.

Modi govt mishandled information war. CDS Chauhan's loss admission raises 2 big questions

It is now clearer that India will bear significant costs for any future military operation, especially given the Chinese support to Pakistan.

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[Khanivore]

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[hydrabadi_arab]

why do these people act like Pakistani people dont have food to eat and we are stone age afghanistan?

We are sufficient. 80% of indian youth itself is unemployed their own favorite Disinformatian Banana Media accepts this (https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...onal-labour-organization-101711523703282.html)

On top of that their Debt to GDP ratio is higher then ours in the 80 percentage while ours is 67%

On top of that their GDP per Capita is pure crap and if you remove rich people like gautam adani or mukesh ambani its worse.

their PPP is also crap. Ranking 126th among 197 countries

While in happiness index we lead, almost have zero seperatism except for artificially created ones by indians themselves aka BLA.

On top of that every country has debt. We repay our debts on our own and our neighbours should focus on themselves and stop caring for our debts, we can repay them.

India debt to GDP ratio ~150% which include states, private etc Pakistan its ~87%. They get away with it because of much higher tax to GDP ratio for now.

 

[Jango007]

Where is Modi...he needs to say agar hamare paas F35 hota tou shaid Pakistan mere dhoti naa utaar data......

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Jet Black Threat: Pakistan’s J-35 Fighters Could Turn India’s Airspace into a No-Fly Zone​

Story by Ruta Deshpande, Deftech Analyst
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Skybound Peril: Pakistan’s J-35 Deal Weakens India’s Air Edge
Recent reports suggest that China may accelerate the delivery of its latest stealth fighter jets, the J-35A, to Pakistan, stirring fresh concerns about the shifting balance of air power in South Asia. Pakistan’s Foreign Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Ishaq Dar is said to have finalized the logistics and financing details for this deal during his recent visit to China, following India’s Operation Sindoor — a military campaign that struck deep into terrorist and militant infrastructure.


The China-Pakistan Fighter Jet Deal: Reality or Rhetoric?

While official timelines placed the J-35’s delivery to Pakistan no earlier than 2029, the recent push for fast-tracking raises questions. The J-35, also known as the Shenyang J-31, only recently entered production, making rapid large-scale deliveries challenging.

Some analysts speculate that Pakistan’s military rhetoric may aim to bolster domestic morale after Indian strikes. Moreover, Pakistan’s economy, heavily dependent on IMF aid, casts doubts on its ability to finance such costly hardware without substantial Chinese subsidies or discounts — presumably in appreciation of Pakistan’s contribution to Operation Sindoor, which featured Chinese jets and missile weapons.

This potential influx of advanced stealth fighters could significantly alter air dominance in the subcontinent, reigniting debates within Indian strategic circles about the urgency to strengthen India’s own air capabilities.

India’s Fifth-Generation Fighter Ambitions: The AMCA Project​

India’s indigenous response to the fifth-generation fighter challenge is the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), currently slated for induction around 2035. Designed as a stealthy, multirole, single-seat, twin-engine air superiority fighter, the AMCA aims to incorporate modern features such as supercruise, advanced avionics, and electronic warfare capabilities. Its development is underway through a public-private partnership involving the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), and Indian private firms.

However, as China accelerates the export of its fifth-generation J-35 stealth fighter to Pakistan, India faces heightened urgency. The J-35, with its radar-evading design and networked warfare capabilities, could soon give Pakistan a technological edge that complicates India’s traditional air superiority. While the AMCA promises to be a significant step forward, its timeline is lengthy, and concerns remain over delays in related projects like the LCA Mk1A. In contrast, the J-35 is expected to enter Pakistani service before AMCA production begins, creating a potential capability gap. Given the rapid buildup of Chinese airpower and the J-35’s deployment, India is evaluating whether it should seek an interim fifth-generation fighter or join international programs to develop sixth-generation aircraft.

What Defines a Fifth-Generation Fighter?
The era of fifth-generation fighters began with the US F-22 Raptor in 2005. These aircraft are characterized by:

• Stealth: Low radar cross-section using advanced materials and shaping.
• Advanced Avionics: Unmatched situational awareness is provided by IRST sensors, fused sensor data, and multifunction AESA radars.
• Network-Centric Warfare: Real-time data sharing and electronic warfare capabilities.
• Supercruise: Sustained supersonic flight without afterburners.
• Internal Weapons Bays: To maintain stealth profiles.
• Enhanced Maneuverability: Thrust vectoring and advanced aerodynamics.

These features provide a “first-look, first-shot, first-kill” advantage critical in modern aerial combat.

China Enters the Next Era of Naval Power as Reports Suggest J-35B EMALS Launch from Fujian

China’s Growing Fifth- and Sixth-Generation Fleet​

China already fields nearly 300 J-20 fifth-generation fighters and is developing newer sixth-generation jets, such as the Chengdu J-36 and Shenyang J-50, unveiled in December 2024. These advanced platforms incorporate AI, data fusion, and network-centric warfare technologies, reflecting China’s significant investment in next-generation air combat. Alongside these developments, the J-35 is being positioned not only as a stealth fighter for China’s aircraft carriers but also as an export-oriented platform, with Pakistan expected to be a major recipient. The inclusion of the J-35 in China’s broader airpower strategy underscores Beijing’s focus on saturating regional airspaces with low-observable, multirole fighters designed for contested environments.

The Global Sixth-Generation Fighter Race​

Globally, the race for sixth-generation fighters is intensifying. These platforms are expected to feature:

• AI-assisted manned and optionally unmanned operations.
• Modular designs for rapid upgrades.
• Directed energy weapons and enhanced electronic warfare suites.
• Integration with drone swarms and space assets.
• Extreme network connectivity for battlefield dominance.

Prominent initiatives include the Franco-German-Italian Future Combat Air System (FCAS), the UK-Japan-Italy Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP), and the US Boeing F-47 NGAD. It is anticipated that these combatants will go into service in the 2030s and 2040s, respectively.

Russia’s Su-57 and India’s Options​

Russia’s Su-57, an operational fifth-generation fighter, represents another mature platform but with limited global presence. India originally participated in the Indo-Russian FGFA program but withdrew due to performance and cost issues. Currently, India continues to rely on the Su-30MKI and is pursuing the AMCA as its indigenous solution.

India’s Strategic Dilemma​

India faces a multi-front security challenge from China and Pakistan, both upgrading their air capabilities with fifth-generation stealth fighters. While India’s AMCA project represents a long-term solution, the interim period demands urgent attention. Options include:

• Procuring an interim fifth-generation fighter from foreign partners.
• Accelerating indigenous projects like the LCA Mk1A.
• Joining international consortia to co-develop sixth-generation technology.
• Increasing the fleet of advanced 4.5-generation aircraft to maintain operational readiness.

India’s Ministry of Defense has formed high-level committees to address these shortages and explore collaborative strategies.