Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[SaadH]

I don't think you understand the scope of the minerals Pakistan has. They are crucial for AI chips. US will be building AI datacentre cities. There will be a huge demand.

A lot invesment is about to flow in. This time its for real.

Why do you think India crossed the IB to sour this deal? It was unprecedented.

Rare earth are found all over the world. China is dominating/controlling them because they had the foresight to acquire these mines across the globe, develop them and create the whole eco system around them, something which the US neglected to do in the past three decades. Now the cost is too prohibitive and they can't compete with China. Pakistan doesn't offer anything unique in this endeavor.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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it is very hard to follow

 

[Be dazzled]

Indian Navy issued notam for 8-11 June. Firing and readiness exercise in the Arabian Sea.

 

[Master Chief]

Trump or the US dont give a crap about Pakistan. He is in a tussle with India over trade negotiations and uses Pakistan to take potshots at the Indians, since he knows it bothers them.

Its weird to see Pakistanis jumping up and down at just the slightest showing of interest by western gora sahab.

You're not really wrong. However, as a person, he does have certain personality traits that can't be ignored. Ultimately we should and will act in our own interests. Sometimes, those will align with Trump's mood, sometimes not. But when it does align, it would be folly to not extract advantage from it.

 

[Be dazzled]

Possible.....the whole initial theming of Op Sindoor was brave modern Hindu women go and cut those Muslims in Pakistan to pieces. If the first day had been successful, Shivangi would have been the lead debreifer on the Indian side, flanked by Col Sofia and the other sardar lady.

Like the rest of their society the pilots are no different. Female factor.

 

[Be dazzled]

Those PL15 remnants are as good as these AMRAAM pieces

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Poor chaps. Their faces reveal the story.

 

[Watandar]

Indian Navy issued notam for 8-11 June. Firing and readiness exercise in the Arabian Sea.

i am convinced the next Indian attack on Pakistan will be majority naval in nature. They will fire naval BrahMos and try to take out Pakistani naval assets and also attack Karachi and Bin Qasim. Once Pakistani naval assets are neutralized, a lot of options open up for India including blockading merchant marine and air traffic to Pakistan, in cooperation with the GCC. They will also count on an increasingly desperate Pakistan then trying to pressure India via risky operations by its Air Force/Army.

Pakistan is finally building up its Navy but it will be years before its more than the token force it is today. That gives India a window of two to three years at most.

Its why I understand why Pakistan is getting better air defense equipment from China to counter BrahMos but I dont understand about the J35. I would prefer Pakistan focus on AD and naval capabilities.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Rare earth are found all over the world. China is dominating/controlling them because they had the foresight to acquire these mines across the globe, develop them and create the whole eco system around them, something which the US neglected to do in the past three decades. Now the cost is too prohibitive and they can't compete with China. Pakistan doesn't offer anything unique in this endeavor.

Which makes access to Pakistan's reserves even more valuable.

I defenitely think the mainstream in Pakistan don't understand AI and how much demand there is for its hardware.

If it was a oil discovery they would know immediately. This is more valuable than oil.

 

[Master Chief]

Its not who I hang out with. Its the interviews I am watching with Pakistani civilian and military elites in last few weeks who are once again fawning over America like back in the 80s or early 2000s. They seem to have quickly forgotten how the US dumped Pakistan after its objective was achieved.

No, I think they are simply making hay while the sun shines. The establishment - for its many faults - does know that Pakistan's actual friends are the ones who spoke loudly in support of us, and USA is not one of them.

What is also clear though is that Trump, on a personal level, is less warm towards India and more respectful of Pakistan for a variety of reasons, not just related to the recent conflict.

This shouldn't be ignored simply because of American longstanding undercurrents that tend to work against Pakistani interests.

 

[Abdul q]

Indian Navy issued notam for 8-11 June. Firing and readiness exercise in the Arabian Sea.

Let’s see…. 24 - 26 hrs remaining and this is the last night

 

[Be dazzled]

Let’s see…. 24 - 26 hrs remaining and this is the last night

Never trust them.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

i am convinced the next Indian attack on Pakistan will be majority naval in nature. They will fire naval BrahMos and try to take out Pakistani naval assets and also attack Karachi and Bin Qasim. Once Pakistani naval assets are neutralized, a lot of options open up for India including blockading merchant marine and air traffic to Pakistan, in cooperation with the GCC. They will also count on an increasingly desperate Pakistan then trying to pressure India via risky operations by its Air Force/Army.

Pakistan is finally building up its Navy but it will be years before its more than the token force it is today. That gives India a window of two to three years at most.

Its why I understand why Pakistan is getting better air defense equipment from China to counter BrahMos but I dont understand about the J35. I would prefer Pakistan focus on AD and naval capabilities.

it will be Missile based, its much safer and has had relatively better results for the Indian forces. doesn't matter what platform they use but it will be stand off weapons and they will try to stay out of the range of PAF retaliations.
their airforce will stay in the background to avoid further embarrassment.

what Pakistan needs to do is come up with its own doctrine to counter the Indian "new normal". and it has to be at par or better than the preemptive strikes. Pakistan can no longer wait and let Indians launch their stand off weapons all over Pakistan and then retaliate since India wont be fielding any jets this time so it will claim total victory even if 20% t 50% of those Missiles reach their intended targets, like before India wont bother to present any proofs and like before the world wont demand any proof.

Pakistan will need to manage the escalation ladder and the preemptive action carefully so that it discourages India from practicing its new normal. it seems that it has absorbed the loss of 6 jets and the humiliation of its airforce, which its own leadership is admitting. the damage to Brahmos site and the damage to S-400 systems is contested and there is not enough undeniable proof of their destruction to force India to admit to their loss so it has room for face saving.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

No, I think they are simply making hay while the sun shines. The establishment - for its many faults - does know that Pakistan's actual friends are the ones who spoke loudly in support of us, and USA is not one of them.

What is also clear though is that Trump, on a personal level, is less warm towards India and more respectful of Pakistan for a variety of reasons, not just related to the recent conflict.

This shouldn't be ignored simply because of American longstanding undercurrents that tend to work against Pakistani interests.

world respects the powerful who can defend themselves. Americans are impressed.
Saudis and Emiratis are stunned, they were advising Pakistan to take the beatings since Indians were "enraged".

given the conduct of Arab gulf council behavior re Gaza and how they have sucked up to Trump and how much they value India, its no wonder that they feel a bit speechless and Pakistani leadership grew a bit of spine and gave them a little snub until that fat prince contacted directly inviting to meet and perform umrah.

No one will come and fight for you, its your own fight but thanks should be given where its due from China to Turkey and Azerbijan, Pakistani leadership met them all first that mattered.

 

[Master Chief]

world respects the powerful who can defend themselves. Americans are impressed.
Saudis and Emiratis are stunned, they were advising Pakistan to take the beatings since Indians were "enraged".

given the conduct of Arab gulf council behavior re Gaza and how they have sucked up to Trump and how much they value India, its no wonder that they feel a bit speechless and Pakistani leadership grew a bit of spine and gave them a little snub until that fat prince contacted directly inviting to meet and perform umrah.

No one will come and fight for you, its your own fight but thanks should be given where its due from China to Turkey and Azerbijan, Pakistani leadership met them all first that mattered.

Bang on the mark. Welcome back

 

[Liquidator]

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= SCALP Strike

Pretty sure you used to pretend to be French European.....I mean, the stench filtered through the screen so you were unmistakably Indian but you've given up completely now?

BTW The only French I bothered to learn was ferme la bouche....what an obnoxious language forcing you to use your nasal sinuses unnecessarily...