Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

There was a brief period during the Bush-WoT days when the US caught Israeli operatives pretending to be CIA and contacting TTP militants to attack Pakistani military installations.

So the conspiracy of Israelis wanting to harm Pakistan isn't completely false.
bhai sahab kuch bas bhee kiya karo with conspiracy theories. Musharraf was reaching out to Israel (beacuse Pakistanis are such loyal lapdogs of the GCC) and close to signing agreement with India to convert LoC into International boundary.

 
They're up to something.
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A silly waste of time by India because even if somehow catch Pakistan off guard and they then "do something", they cannot handle Pakistan response as of now, so what is the point? It is not as if Pakistan is not going to respond, Pakistan will respond and quite aggressively. More than on the 10th May 2025 given the need to demonstrate resolve.

I view these as attempts to resolve operational issues, and fill in identified training gaps and shortfalls in capability of their doctrine.
 
Pakistan needs to carefully watch what's happening and maybe about to happen in Pakistan's west, specifically an Israeli attack in Iran. Who knows, if the recent warming up by the Americans to Pakistan is tied to that? Who knows what India+Israel will do against Pakistan in case an attack by Israel on Iran?
 
bhai sahab kuch bas bhee kiya karo with conspiracy theories. Musharraf was reaching out to Israel (beacuse Pakistanis are such loyal lapdogs of the GCC) and close to signing agreement with India to convert LoC into International boundary.

Musharraf was trying to contact them, but its not a conspiracy theory.


Musharraf may have wanted good relations with Israel, but Pakistani society has always been anti-zionist, which means the Israelis would have every (badly thought out) reason to damage Pakistan.

While the article here says it was to target Iran, there have been articles in the past that have said these same militants were used to target Pakistan.
 
Pakistan needs to carefully watch what's happening and maybe about to happen in Pakistan's west, specifically an Israeli attack in Iran. Who knows, if the recent warming up by the Americans to Pakistan is tied to that? Who knows what India+Israel will do against Pakistan in case an attack by Israel on Iran?
Americans are the biggest suckers of israel

If we warm up to americans that means we warm up to israel
 
Musharraf was trying to contact them, but its not a conspiracy theory.


Musharraf may have wanted good relations with Israel, but Pakistani society has always been anti-zionist, which means the Israelis would have every reason to damage Pakistan.

Musharraf clearly understood how to reduce the diplomatic space India could operate in.

Unfortunately the Pakistani public were retarded at the time and radicalized by AQ and OBL bullshit and started backing afghandus who were attacking Pakistan.

2005-2009 was a wild ride.
 
Musharraf clearly understood how to reduce the diplomatic space India could operate in.

Unfortunately the Pakistani public were retarded at the time and radicalizaed by AQ and OBL bullshit and started backing afghandus who were attacking Pakistan.

2005-2009 was a wild ride.
I'd say between 2005 to 2015. The Obama years were arguably worse for Pakistan.
 
I'd say between 2005 to 2015. The Obama years were arguably worse for Pakistan.
I still dont believe Osama died in that raid


Musharraf stated he used to take dialysis machines with him and that he died in 2001 due to kidney problems

On 2005 french intelligence noted he died due to typhoid in Pakistan

We might have sold out and Obama got the raid done so he could win his 2nd term

This is my cope though
 
I'd say between 2005 to 2015. The Obama years were arguably worse for Pakistan.

Because 2005-2009 period created mistrust with the west and Pakistan was cut off from the five eyes in 2012.

They should have attacked Afghanistan with NATO and dismantled the Taliban and its ancillaries in KPK and NWFP. Zarb e azb operation should have happened there and then in 2003. A lot of lives would have been saved, TTP would never have existed and our relationship with the west would have been stronger than ever. India would not have got a strategic foothold. Many mistakes were made.
 
My understanding , as you know, the PAF played this one very smart. Our fighters deliberately kept their radars cold — no emissions, no radar lock — which meant Indian RWRs weren’t picking up any spikes. That kept their situational picture degraded from the start.

They had about 70 aircraft up — a lot of noise, a big formation, but also a lot of clutter and risk of fratricide on their side. We leveraged that chaos.

The key move was this: we fired PL-15s without active radar guidance — essentially using an off-board firing doctrine. The AirEye (AEW&C) platforms were providing the track data, and the mid-course updates were controlled through datalink. The missiles only went active on terminal phase — around 50 km out — which gave the Indians very little reaction time.

On top of that, SIGINT teams were monitoring Indian comms — we had a pretty good read on what their pilots were seeing and feeling. Once we heard the panic and the loss of SA (situational awareness) on their side, we adjusted the engagement picture accordingly.

Now here’s where it got interesting — when they couldn’t get a bead on either our fighters or the PL-15 tracks, and couldn’t build a coherent air picture, they resorted to launching S-400s in a reactionary way. They mistakenly thought some of our platforms had already penetrated their airspace — which was not the case. It was a textbook example of forcing the enemy into a degraded cognitive state and provoking premature defensive fires.

Bottom line this engagement validated the combined use of passive fighter tactics, off-board missile guidance, and real-time SIGINT exploitation. They were simply outplayed at every level.
This picture I know, but here is my question, if S-400 could detect and track PL15s in Indian Airspace, why couldn't they track or lock on PAF fighter within Pakistan airspace (as the touted range of S-400 is 300 Km+)?? PAF fighters were at best 100-150km behind the border to allow for 200km range of PL15 to hit IAF fighters 50-100 KM behind Indian border.

@Oscar can you shed some light on this? Why S-400 failed to see PAF fighters in Pakistani airspace on May7th?
 
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Because 2005-2009 period created mistrust with the west and Pakistan was cut off from the five eyes in 2012.

They should have attacked Afghanistan with NATO and dismantled the Taliban and its ancillaries in KPK and NWFP. Zarb e azb operation should have happened there and then in 2003. A lot of lives would have been saved, TTP would never have existed and our relationship with the west would have been stronger than ever. India would not have got a strategic foothold. Many mistakes were made.
India would have been the ones to start arming and funding the Afghan taliban at that point.

Occupying Afghanistan is a foolish idea, because the west was going to leave eventually, which they did.

There's a lot of what ifs, and all of them have their own issues. Pakistan was just stuck.
 
Could you elaborate.

guess: when ever you fire a weapon, you set certain parameters such as coordinates etc, based on BDA (Battle Damage Assessment) i presume they would/should fine tune the parameters.
 
I still dont believe Osama died in that raid


Musharraf stated he used to take dialysis machines with him and that he died in 2001 due to kidney problems

On 2005 french intelligence noted he died due to typhoid in Pakistan

We might have sold out and Obama got the raid done so he could win his 2nd term

This is my cope though
I'm 90% confident he died during the raid, but there are a lot of unanswered questions.

I'm also 100% convinced that Obama and the CIA knew for years where he was, and instead of asking the Pakistanis to catch him, Obama did it to win the election.

I read his biography, where even he admits that he doesn't think anyone in Pakistan's government or security leadership even knew he was there.
 

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