Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

WarKa DaNG said:
Trying not to be a d!ck as you have asked this from Oscar but here is my 2cents:
DEtecting and tracking are two different things, you can use longer wavelengths to detect aircrafts at longe ranges but cannot track them good enough to guide a missile to it because longer the wavelength the larger the error in position and range(just like you cannot detect atoms with visible light but use electrons in electron microscope to give you better resolution and less error) which is like mentioning the village/town name but the missile needs the exact house# to reach. Then comes the tracking where another smaller antenna but powerful which emits a small and sharp beams of radio waves to track the target that is lock which means you get target exact range with range ambuigity in centimeters or 1-2 meters, exact cordinates in 3D space, exact altitude also some radars employ Non Coperative Target Recognition which makes a picture from bounced signals to calssify the aircraft whether it is F-16 or some other one based on radar cross section and pattern of returns from engine blades(thats why LO aircrafts hide their engine fan blades in S ducts). Also comes many parameters in both tracking and detection like whether the aircraft is stealth which means they will bounce back the longer wavelengths of detecting radars but will scatter i.e not bounce it back to radar direction the waves of X band tracking radar or is there any Stand Off Jammers working to overload the radar with noise or the Self Protection Jammer of aircraft working to give them false targets and mask itself or trying to break the lock or if the pilot is notching because tracking radars use doppler effects which in notching cancels it also rain, fog and mist lowers the performace and last but not least the radar is working at peak power or lower one, which all affect the radar performance. If even J 10s were detected but there were DA 20s SOJ were working against S-400 also we have Chinese KG-2000(correct me if i am wrong) SPJs integrated with JF-17s and maybe J-10s, so all these systems were working to deny them good fire control solution for missile guidance and lastly flying below radar horizon can mask you from detection. Hope i have answered your question.

P.S: Go and check out Flankerchan on twitter/X as he is well versed in radars and aircarft RCS modelling. He is an Indonesian but very knowledgeable person and recommends very good books on radars, guidance, jamming etc

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Hi,

I tagged Oscar as generally he has accurate info on Pakistani Radar/AD systems without revealing any opsec related details. Anyone is welcome to reply to my post.

Thanks for sharing, but if PAF was able to defeat S-400's much touted long range (300km+) targeting then does it mean S-400 is ineffective? I would be hard pressed to believe that, but clearly if our AD radars can see Indian aircraft in Indian airspace I am sure Indians can do the same as well. And if they can see PAF scrambling jets, they could also launch their SAMs.

Whole scenario was quite interesting and I guess what actually happened on ground and in the air we would truly never know for a while.
 
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Indians are genuinely upset about the Pakistani Field Martial Mr. Asim Munir going to America to attend the military parade. But in this video, Major Guarav Arya has come up with an amazing coping mechanism: Per him, every time the Pakistanis engaged with America, blood flowed in Pakistan and per Mr. Arya, Modi and his team know that America is going to spill blood in Pakistan again and so nothing to worry about.
The whole video is not worth watching even though some of the video is right about General Zia ul Haq who radicalized Pakistan which led to the destruction of the Pakistani society and the rise of the extremism which still plagues Pakistan. But it is still a huge spin to say that Pakistanis getting closer to America will again lead to a bloodbath in Pakistan. Pakistanis have the Americans figured out quite well since the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989.
Here is relevant part of the video--a wonderfully stupid coping theory!

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Meengla said:
Indians are genuinely upset about the Pakistani Field Martial Mr. Asim Munir going to America to attend the military parade. But in this video, Major Guarav Arya has come up with an amazing coping mechanism: Per him, every time the Pakistanis engaged with America, blood flowed in Pakistan and per Mr. Arya, Modi and his team know that America is going to spill blood in Pakistan again and so nothing to worry about.
The whole video is not worth watching even though some of the video is right about General Zia ul Haq who radicalized Pakistan which led to the destruction of the Pakistani society and the rise of the extremism which still plagues Pakistan. But it is still a huge spin to say that Pakistanis getting closer to America will again lead to a bloodbath in Pakistan. Pakistanis have the Americans figured out quite well since the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989.
Here is relevant part of the video--a wonderfully stupid coping theory!

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They are burning in chita with their own fat,
 
Meengla said:
Indians are genuinely upset about the Pakistani Field Martial Mr. Asim Munir going to America to attend the military parade. But in this video, Major Guarav Arya has come up with an amazing coping mechanism: Per him, every time the Pakistanis engaged with America, blood flowed in Pakistan and per Mr. Arya, Modi and his team know that America is going to spill blood in Pakistan again and so nothing to worry about.
The whole video is not worth watching even though some of the video is right about General Zia ul Haq who radicalized Pakistan which led to the destruction of the Pakistani society and the rise of the extremism which still plagues Pakistan. But it is still a huge spin to say that Pakistanis getting closer to America will again lead to a bloodbath in Pakistan. Pakistanis have the Americans figured out quite well since the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989.
Here is relevant part of the video--a wonderfully stupid coping theory!

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The Indians are coping real bad.
 
let me tell you guys something funny from my own experience, I have a Chinese colleague who is about fifty years old and he hates CCP to the bone,
until this day he often came to me and mocked J10C and asking where is the downed Rafale and he claimed Made in China third Gen fighter is impossible to shoot down anything French, let alone a 4.5th gen Rafale.

The sole sources he is getting news from are those people like him oversea, and he always sent those videos to me, he said those debris are mock up toy.
 
Meengla said:
Indians are genuinely upset about the Pakistani Field Martial Mr. Asim Munir going to America to attend the military parade. But in this video, Major Guarav Arya has come up with an amazing coping mechanism: Per him, every time the Pakistanis engaged with America, blood flowed in Pakistan and per Mr. Arya, Modi and his team know that America is going to spill blood in Pakistan again and so nothing to worry about.
The whole video is not worth watching even though some of the video is right about General Zia ul Haq who radicalized Pakistan which led to the destruction of the Pakistani society and the rise of the extremism which still plagues Pakistan. But it is still a huge spin to say that Pakistanis getting closer to America will again lead to a bloodbath in Pakistan. Pakistanis have the Americans figured out quite well since the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989.
Here is relevant part of the video--a wonderfully stupid coping theory!

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Looks like this shitty Gobar Arya has drunk donkey urine in excessive dose.
 
Helplessly observing what's been being going on in Iran, one needs to thank the Pak Deep State for maintaining a strong air force and a credible nuclear deterrence at all costs. They've been paying off. All Kurban for this Dava are Halal....

Bharat can't do an "Iran" on Pakistan. Strangely, the Shah had one of the most modern air force amongst the Muslim countries, and the Iranian pilots used to regularly train with the PAF...
 
about the 4 and 5th gen jets. Even these last ones are not imune to air defense.
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Saar look saar what israel did etc

Not sure why sanghis are crying when they claim have taken out 80% of PAF and destroyed all airbases.
 
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These guys had a national tragedy just 24 hours ago and look at them posting BS like this
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Jeet always gonna jeet
 
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