Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Distant_Observer]

Even this time there are many who have concluded that shooting down of IAF aircraft is a death knell on any future Indian aggression.
Earlier too there was a similar assessment that Modi and Co. have been taught a lesson.
This time Modi has just declared a pause to Op Sindoor. This has kept the doors open to press resume at any time. The scale could be bigger. Dont attack me for saying this since it just is my assumption. I don’t support or call for military action and hope for each side to sit down and resolve all the issues amicably.

You will get tactical nuked next time. This has already been communicated to the west.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Even this time there are many who have concluded that shooting down of IAF aircraft is a death knell on any future Indian aggression.
Earlier too there was a similar assessment that Modi and Co. have been taught a lesson.
This time Modi has just declared a pause to Op Sindoor. This has kept the doors open to press resume at any time. The scale could be bigger. Dont attack me for saying this since it just is my assumption. I don’t support or call for military action and hope for each side to sit down and resolve all the issues amicably.

in my view Modi is only saying its ongoing because the fact is if it ends that means he will have to detail each and everything even admitting to losses

 

[Watandar]

Problem is that israel faced so many threats and is already there, kicking the a** of all the neighbors and even Iran.
Israel will remain there for thousand years.

Israelis are the ones who came from far away and have been attacking the locals for 100 plus years. I do agree with you that the conflict will remain for thousand years until either Israel is disarmed or dismantled, just like twice before in history.

 

[lightning f57]

Even this time there are many who have concluded that shooting down of IAF aircraft is a death knell on any future Indian aggression.
Earlier too there was a similar assessment that Modi and Co. have been taught a lesson.
This time Modi has just declared a pause to Op Sindoor. This has kept the doors open to press resume at any time. The scale could be bigger. Dont attack me for saying this since it just is my assumption. I don’t support or call for military action and hope for each side to sit down and resolve all the issues amicably.

There are so many posts on thos forum of people thinking India is about to attack which I think is overboard. I dont think there is anyone on this forum thinking just because a few IAF jets were destroyed will prevent India from attacking again. If anything sometimes payback has a greater desire than rational logic itself.

What people are likely emphasising is PAF have proven they have sharp claws and knowing your enemy can hurt you creates a level of deterrence itself.

 

[Distant_Observer]

in my view Modi is only saying its ongoing because the fact is if it ends that means he will have to detail each and everything even admitting to losses

He is copying Israel/US against Iran which they kept open ended.

During the meeting with Vance pre-conflict he assured him that they had the capability to dominate Pakistan and keep them under threat for the forseeable and they will tag team Iran and Pakistan together.

Obviously Pakistan slapped them down like the inferiors they are which is why Trump stepped in and quickly changed the tune, recognizing Pakistan can take down European countries, never mind India.

I feel sorry for the Indians, when Pakistan develops further culturally and economically, it will become a military power so strong many countries will fear and respect us. Indians will finally accept the pecking order of the subcontinent.

 

[hussain0216]

Problem is that israel faced so many threats and is already there, kicking the a** of all the neighbors and even Iran.
Israel will remain there for thousand years.

20-30 years at most, then Israel will collapse
The demographic reality is catching up with Israel

Israel is dependent on everything remaining the same, and change is occuring fast in Israel, around Israel and across the world

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

He is copying Israel/US against Iran which they kept open ended.

During the meeting with Vance pre-conflict he assured him that they had the capability to dominate Pakistan and keep them under threat for the forseeable and they will tag team Iran and Pakistan together.

Obviously Pakistan slapped them down like the inferiors they are which is why Trump stepped in and quickly changed the tune, recognizing Pakistan can take down European countries, never mind India.

I feel sorry for the Indians, when Pakistan develops further culturally and economically, it will become a military power so strong many countries will fear and respect us. Indians will finally accept the pecking order of the subcontinent.

that was my view. seems they wanted india to distract pakistan and iran to be distracted by israel

Obviously didnt work so US now just trying to get our generals for abraham accords probably

 

[Vkdindian1]

You will get tactical nuked next time. This has already been communicated to the west.

It is just your guess. Probably, this could be your presumption.

These matters are unlikely to be made available in open domain.
When asked about nuclear angle, then DG ISPR, Asif Gafoor had said - “you have asked a question way beyond my stature and pay grade. These are neither discussed nor decided in press briefings”.
I believe very word of that statement.

 

[Vkdindian1]

in my view Modi is only saying its ongoing because the fact is if it ends that means he will have to detail each and everything even admitting to losses

Unlikely. All the parties are already baying for his blood. Ongoing or completed has no bearing on this.
The exact number of fighters lost is known to everyone that needed to know.

It was not just losses that many people want to discuss here.

Indian strikes on your bases were great success. The precision and reach was a decent display of what India could do. Performance of Indian AD too was stellar.

Atleast, we have people asking these questions openly. I haven’t seen even one voice on your side asking about failure of your AD. Broad daylight disappearance and Software reset possibility could be the reason for that.

Modi and team knows exactly what and when to disclose publicly. Politics it is.

 

[Distant_Observer]

that was my view. seems they wanted india to distract pakistan and iran to be distracted by israel

Obviously didnt work so US now just trying to get our generals for abraham accords probably

The plan was the operation to continue until Israel/US had concluded their operations in Iran and they both would celebrate in front of the world.

Notice how Rishi Sunak and jeet politicians in US came out with pre-planned scripted on the day and how western media immediately started attacking Pakistani diplomats on air despite zero evidence from India implicating Pakistan or Pakistanis.

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Had India broken PAF, they would been delivering sorties on Pakistan daily and US would have threatened Pakistan if they attempted to go nuclear. That was the plan. We all know who is the best of planners and the designs of our enemies and haters will never succeed.

 

[TAC]

Even this time there are many who have concluded that shooting down of IAF aircraft is a death knell on any future Indian aggression.
Earlier too there was a similar assessment that Modi and Co. have been taught a lesson.
This time Modi has just declared a pause to Op Sindoor. This has kept the doors open to press resume at any time. The scale could be bigger. Dont attack me for saying this since it just is my assumption. I don’t support or call for military action and hope for each side to sit down and resolve all the issues amicably.

I haven’t read a single post on this forum by anyone saying that India will never attack again due to the world humiliation it got handed this time. Quite the contrary actually. Please share which specific posts you are referring to, or maybe you’re on a different forum to me.

 

[Vkdindian1]

There are so many posts on thos forum of people thinking India is about to attack which I think is overboard. I dont think there is anyone on this forum thinking just because a few IAF jets were destroyed will prevent India from attacking again. If anything sometimes payback has a greater desire than rational logic itself.

What people are likely emphasising is PAF have proven they have sharp claws and knowing your enemy can hurt you creates a level of deterrence itself.

The premise of “baying for blood” is thinking of common people like us. We think of taking “badlaa”.

But Air Forces have to deal with many realities and it is not as easy as people making these “badlaa” claims.

Every NOTAM is declared as a posturing and premise to attack.
Same kids were challenging Modi to launch attack when he had said that action would be taken. Now they declare an attack as soon as a formation gets air borne on any side. Pitfall of tso many air traffic tracking sites.

Many of these kids just talk about PAF, PAF and PAF. These many fighters vs that many fighters etc etc. There are many other elements and we saw them in full action from 08-12 May.
The next engagement could be completely different from the last one. Air would play a major role but may be in a different sequence. As and when it happens.

 

[TAC]

Unlikely. All the parties are already baying for his blood. Ongoing or completed has no bearing on this.

Really, so what of Indian military officials specifically refusing to acknowledge how many jets they lost because ‘operation Sindoor is ongoing’. Is that not avoiding detailing losses with what is a lame excuse to cover their own & Modi Ji’s backside?

 

[Distant_Observer]

Someone needs to do a detailed study on the chain of events that led to this conflict.

We can deduce that the balakot strikes were in preparation for this. So India probably knew Iran would be attacked back in 2019. They also assumed losing a MIG was a one off and Rafaels would be the fix.

 

[Corax]

Infact if your a Kashmiri freedom fighter and you want more muscle to help you, now you have a perfect plan, attack kill Indians let Pak take the blame and let a war start.

This is where their doctrine fails, they're willing to go to war after any random attack by anyone.