Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Baibers_1260]

You are banking a lot on the goodwill and assumptive proportional retaliation from India.. what if India decides to bomb GHQ or other infra. With a 10x budget, you can safely assume that India would have few multiple times more of bombs and missiles than Pakistan..

No problem,
We can rebuild our GHQ and will already vacate this area prior to our demolishing Somnath once again. The weath that India had when Somnath was demolished was 1000 times the wealth of the "invaders ". So a 10x budget doesn't help protect your temples unless you use 80% of your air defenses to protect all the 30,000 temples you have designated as national heritage treasures.

By the way our Bangladeshi brethren ( your erst-while allies) have started a temple demolition exercise in earnest. The Bangladeshi GHQ is so far ( repeat "so far" is untouched). When the LTTE blasted the ancient Nallur Khandaswamy Temple in Jaffna Sri Lanka, then India didn't touch the LTTE "GHQ" or whatever passed for the LTTE command and control centers.

A bit of history..
Temples and houses of worship are irrelevant military targets but an important psychological target in a general war. In the history of the Indian subcontinent, destruction of houses of worship going back to 400-600 AD was common. The mutual destruction of Jain, Buddhist and Hindu temples during change in the religious orientation of the kingdoms particularly in South India was quite intense and horrific. These were not military but psychological targets. Temples were frequently used to store large quantities of gold, silver, and precious stones. These were obviously looted by the victors. Much later the "invaders" from the North West found the secret hoards of wealth in a few temples and these were selectively destroyed with a cosmetic veneer of anti-idolatry religious fervor.

Coming to our era.. demolitions of houses of worship, specifically mosques is a huge morale booster in the psyche of the war-crazed propaganda fed Indian masses as well as the armed forces.
A summary:
Striking a few temples in the era today will hugely damage the morale of the current enemy armed forces, with its highly religious mindset.
In an earlier era such as in the pre-Kargil war era, strikes on temples ( inadvertent like in Dwarka 1965) had absolutely no effect on the Indian Armed Forces morale.
At that time Pakistan was facing an extremely patriotic united and secular enemy which was much harder to demoralize by isolated strikes on houses of worship and consequently much harder to overall defeat.
Today Pakistan is in a much better position. The Indian Armed Forces perceive they are fighting a religious war, not a nationalist patriotic one.
An additional bonus.. destruction of key temples inside India wil likely fuel a communal holocaust as retaliation against Indian Muslims on a much greater scale than the retaliation against Sikhs for the assassination of the Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi by Sikh bodyguards. Apart from seriously affecting India's law and order situation with mob rule and 80% of the cities under curfew, India's ugly image in the world of a communal fascist state will be exposed.

 

[gamaji]

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Fk them duffers who didn't respond in kind to the Indian launches of barhamos, next time they will be raining SCM and BMs all thanks to the motherfking rationality of **** establishment.

The only duffer here is this brainless idiot who wants a tit for tat and blind response to every Indian action.

 

[Waz]

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To be honest Rahul sounds like an idiot here. What would he have done differently? It wasn't the air defences which brought down their jets but the opposing air force. Let's say they gave permission to the IAF to destroy PAF air defence, that would have still diverted their attention, as he claimed the civilian targets did. The result however would have been far worse, as in more IAF planes would have been shot down. It's the PAF they missed not air defence.

 

[Scorpio]

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[NationalistPKDude132]

To be honest Rahul sounds like an idiot here. What would he have done differently? It wasn't the air defences which brought down their jets but the opposing air force. Let's say they gave permission to the IAF to destroy PAF air defence, that would have still diverted their attention, as he claimed the civilian targets did. The result however would have been far worse, as in more IAF planes would have been shot down. It's the PAF they missed not air defence.

Military deserves blame

As much as Modi is a bad person, he doesnt deserve blame for the Military's bad decisions, he gave them free hand

 

[Windjammer]

Modi should listen to this Indian parliamentarian...
Great opportunity and very easy for Modi and rest of the clan to humiliate Donald Trump and Pakistan with a simple line up .

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[Baibers_1260]

Military deserves blame

As much as Modi is a bad person, he doesnt deserve blame for the Military's bad decisions, he gave them free hand

Modi, can either put all the blame on the Armed Forces ( a politically risky decision), or acknowledge political interference. and that would be even more politically risky.
This dilemma was there during the Balakot strikes as well.
The best option is for the Indian government to build a narrative that amplifies the success of the operation while denying losses

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Modi, can either put all the blame on the Armed Forces ( a politically risky decision), or acknowledge political interference. and that would be even more politically risky.
This dilemma was there during the Balakot strikes as well.
The best option is for the Indian government to build a narrative that amplifies the success of the operation while denying losses

Modi's best bet is to keep milking the "11" airbase strikes, even though ive only seen evidence of 6-7 but "11"

Make up some doctored imagery for it and parade it around his supporters are stupid enough

Funny enough modi in the parliament said "pakistan was about to launch a very big attack" so what probably happened was that on the morning of may 10th a deal was struck basically with turns so pakistan could strike india and then india could strike back tit for tat exchange on 10th, and it was ceasefire after that.

Everything before 10th though seemed real but the round on 10th makes me feel like the deal was struck before hand

 

[Terracotta Warrior]

No problem,
We can rebuild our GHQ and will already vacate this area prior to our demolishing Somnath once again. The weath that India had when Somnath was demolished was 1000 times the wealth of the "invaders ". So a 10x budget doesn't help protect your temples unless you use 80% of your air defenses to protect all the 30,000 temples you have designated as national heritage treasures.

By the way our Bangladeshi brethren ( your erst-while allies) have started a temple demolition exercise in earnest. The Bangladeshi GHQ is so far ( repeat "so far" is untouched). When the LTTE blasted the ancient Nallur Khandaswamy Temple in Jaffna Sri Lanka, then India didn't touch the LTTE "GHQ" or whatever passed for the LTTE command and control centers.

A bit of history..
Temples and houses of worship are irrelevant military targets but an important psychological target in a general war. In the history of the Indian subcontinent, destruction of houses of worship going back to 400-600 AD was common. The mutual destruction of Jain, Buddhist and Hindu temples during change in the religious orientation of the kingdoms particularly in South India was quite intense and horrific. These were not military but psychological targets. Temples were frequently used to store large quantities of gold, silver, and precious stones. These were obviously looted by the victors. Much later the "invaders" from the North West found the secret hoards of wealth in a few temples and these were selectively destroyed with a cosmetic veneer of anti-idolatry religious fervor.

Coming to our era.. demolitions of houses of worship, specifically mosques is a huge morale booster in the psyche of the war-crazed propaganda fed Indian masses as well as the armed forces.
A summary:
Striking a few temples in the era today will hugely damage the morale of the current enemy armed forces, with its highly religious mindset.
In an earlier era such as in the pre-Kargil war era, strikes on temples ( inadvertent like in Dwarka 1965) had absolutely no effect on the Indian Armed Forces morale.
At that time Pakistan was facing an extremely patriotic united and secular enemy which was much harder to demoralize by isolated strikes on houses of worship and consequently much harder to overall defeat.
Today Pakistan is in a much better position. The Indian Armed Forces perceive they are fighting a religious war, not a nationalist patriotic one.
An additional bonus.. destruction of key temples inside India wil likely fuel a communal holocaust as retaliation against Indian Muslims on a much greater scale than the retaliation against Sikhs for the assassination of the Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi by Sikh bodyguards. Apart from seriously affecting India's law and order situation with mob rule and 80% of the cities under curfew, India's ugly image in the world of a communal fascist state will be exposed.

A sleepy factory in Hyderabad is churning out 5000 Pinaka rockets every year for last 17 years, in addition to another facility in AP. Two factories in Bangalore and Kochi is producing 100+ Brahmos each site every year since 2004, and we added another facility with 120 missile production capacity this year. Ordinance factory board in India is producing on average 500 thousands 155mm arti shells for more than 2 decades now..

Even if I assume that the average Pakistani soldier is superior to Indian soldier or PAF pilot is much superior to IAF, even than, the vast difference in resources will come into play the moment war stretch for few days to weeks..

In a short skirmish, Pakistan is a peer competitor to India, that a agree..

So don't wish for something beyond your ability or capability. Neither me nor you are likely to fight, so let's not wish for a catastrophic action by either of the countries leading to distraction of civilians.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

A sleepy factory in Hyderabad is churning out 5000 Pinaka rockets every year for last 17 years, in addition to another facility in AP. Two factories in Bangalore and Kochi is producing 100+ Brahmos each site every year since 2004, and we added another facility with 120 missile production capacity this year. Ordinance factory board in India is producing on average 500 thousands 155mm arti shells for more than 2 decades now..

Even if I assume that the average Pakistani soldier is superior to Indian soldier or PAF pilot is much superior to IAF, even than, the vast difference in resources will come into play the moment war stretch for few days to weeks..

In a short skirmish, Pakistan is a peer competitor to India, that a agree..

So don't wish for something beyond your ability or capability. Neither me nor you are likely to fight, so let's not wish for a catastrophic action by either of the countries leading to distraction of civilians.

dont think anything would get to that point, since nukes are a big equalizer, it would be MAD then

 

[TAC]

It has been claimed that the aircraft inside the hangar at Bholari sustained minor damage and has been repaired since then.

The hangar where this Saab2000 was attacked has dimensions of 60m x 55 m. The dimensions of Saab2000 are 27m x 25 m.
Even if it is assumed that the aircraft was parked inside the hangar at farthest point from the place where Brahmos entered the structure, the closest part of the aircraft is likely to be at a distance of just 7-8m. The aircraft is likely to be parked with few meters clearance from the nearest walls.

Imagine a missile with 300 kg warhead, traveling at supersonic speed impacting an enclosed structure just few meters away and causing minor damage? The pictures clearly show that the side walls and hangar doors have been blown away.

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As copers and hope against hopers like u have already been told numerous times, minor easily repairable damage confirmed by various reliable sources including senior members of this forum with track record of credible sources, honest reporting and integrity, none of which likes of u will ever have. For example Oscar confirmed that he’d spoken to one of the survivors of this attack. Do you have first hand info like that?? If not then shut the f up and cope in silence. Depending on where the aircraft was in the hanger, minor damage is perfectly feasible. It’s not like the whole hanger has burned to a crisp, in fact far from it. If that’s not enough, go look at neutral sources, do u see anyone reporting what u are preying for? On the contrary for example current AFM’s write up specifically states that damage on Pakistan side of Indian attacks was limited and ‘easily repairable during operations’. This is from neutral pilots who have analysed the damage, not likes of u. Compare that to the whole world including Trump and your own opposition leader saying your AF managed to get at least 5 of its best jets shot down. So continue with your made up BS if it helps u cope better with India and in particular AF’s epic worldwide humiliation.

 

[Terracotta Warrior]

dont think anything would get to that point, since nukes are a big equalizer, it would be MAD then

In India pakistan context, nukes are just for posturing. Pakistani nukes were supposed to deter Indian attack, but the last three conflicts proved its futility. There is a lot of space even before Pakistan would think of using nukes, and that's where Indian conventional superiority and resource will come into play.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

In India pakistan context, nukes are just for posturing. Pakistani nukes were supposed to deter Indian attack, but the last three conflicts proved its futility. There is a lot of space even before Pakistan would think of using nukes, and that's where Indian conventional superiority and resource will come into play.

interesting, then why havent you ever attacked us in a full on conventional conflict, you did brasstacks in 1988 why no operation like that since then

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

In India pakistan context, nukes are just for posturing. Pakistani nukes were supposed to deter Indian attack, but the last three conflicts proved its futility. There is a lot of space even before Pakistan would think of using nukes, and that's where Indian conventional superiority and resource will come into play.

On the contrary, indian nukes have proved useless and damaged india's fighting capability. india has proven to the entire world that it is a paper tiger of the worst kind.

In the May 2025 conflict, Pakistan battered, humiliated and castrated the nuclear state of india on the world stage. That too DESPITE india being 7× bigger than Pakistan and having the FULL BACKING of america, the west, israel and russia. Despite these OVERWHELMING odds and being a nuclear state, india could do NOTHING to Pakistan. It has been an EXTREME humiliation and bitter pill for indian kind to swallow.........

 

[lightning f57]

Simple question for Indian members who are clinging onto the hangars and other aspects of PAF bases damaged, what is easier to hit, a large stationary base or a advance fighter jet in its own airspace with its super spectra suite?

Bases in war tend to be targets ask Israel, thousands kms away Iran hit Israeli bases repeatedly going through the most advance and layered aur defences in the world. Paks air defences are minor in comparison so I really dont get the magnified celebrations.