Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

interesting, then why havent you ever attacked us in a full on conventional conflict, you did brasstacks in 1988 why no operation like that since then

india CANNOT and DOES NOT have the capability to take on Pakistan in a full scale military confrontation. IF they did, they would have TRIED attacking Pakistan by now. india is just a cowardly paper tiger that can ONLY talk and brag. NOTHING more. The WHOLE world knows it. When dogs bark, let them continue without interference.

 

[Oscar]

So IAF can hide wreckages, PAF can not... good.

PAF is very open with its losses - IAF has to create PAF losses from its own crashed airframes so what can PAF do to hide made up claims

Pakistan isn’t the country with a Mig-21F tail section as gate guard with a plaque saying its a F-6.

 

[Oscar]

A sleepy factory in Hyderabad is churning out 5000 Pinaka rockets every year for last 17 years, in addition to another facility in AP. Two factories in Bangalore and Kochi is producing 100+ Brahmos each site every year since 2004, and we added another facility with 120 missile production capacity this year. Ordinance factory board in India is producing on average 500 thousands 155mm arti shells for more than 2 decades now..

Even if I assume that the average Pakistani soldier is superior to Indian soldier or PAF pilot is much superior to IAF, even than, the vast difference in resources will come into play the moment war stretch for few days to weeks..

In a short skirmish, Pakistan is a peer competitor to India, that a agree..

So don't wish for something beyond your ability or capability. Neither me nor you are likely to fight, so let's not wish for a catastrophic action by either of the countries leading to distraction of civilians.

Sure - but these rockets and shells and so on dont launch on their own - they need platforms and then then also don’t sit on shelves indefinitely - they need servicing or eventually replacing.

So unless they are providing every individual brahmos , pinaka and shell its own individual launching mechanism - it’s more a case of redundant stockpiles and consumables which is great - soviet union did the same - but it also means if the number of launchers is reduced you’re basically sitting on stockpiles meant to satisfy your local political agendas than actual needs.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Its clear Rahul watch Praveen Sawhni videos lol

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[flyingorca]

PAF said it shot down a large aircraft like Su-30 MKI without any evidence both the times, again, PAF is yet present any evidence for their 6 or 7 claims. 3 wreckages of fighter jets are on our side 1 is of a MALE drone. If that silhouette is fake, then why did your former air marshal akhtar said there was an AEWCS that was there that got hit and the pilots that ran to secure the aircrafts also got unfortunately killed? I mean unless if you want to say at any given point of time every single hangar IAF hit was empty, then good luck.

If you had the coordinates, then you could've gathered sat imagery too. Which PAF or Pak media hasn't. And do tell about the advanced tech PAF uses to intercept and decrypt military grade software-defined radios which rest of the world doesn't have yet...

Why not? Should work both ways.

Is she the new obsession there? lol. By the way if PAF shared coordinates of the supposed downed Rafales, maybe show us if they were really populated or not?

Problem is using "Media" as a source. There is no evidence for 3 or 4 Rafales or 7 jets claimed apart from the 3.

I'm not denying aircraft losses, just pointing out the number claimed are incorrect and saying that India can easily hide wreckages of large aircrafts Su-30 MKI while PAF can't is a bit of a stretch.

Even CDS said IAF downed PAF assets if I remember correctly. But then if Indian satellite imagery is fake, why is PAF's sat imagery non-existent? Given the large amount of claims of widespread destruction caused on India, I'd expect a lot of satellite imagery from their side as well, even from services like Maxar.

So what do you expect to see? A fully intact SU30 from a shot down wreckage? Every wreckage is different, some can easily to identified and some leave behind small footprint. The evidence from Akhnoor wreckage all points to SU30 shot down. You guys are just in denial. Yes Su30 is a huge aircraft but dont forget that if an aircraft is shot down at high altitude, by the time it hits the ground the aircraft is severely burnt plus in su30 case it was shot down around 2am and the below video shows that the wreckage was still on fire in the morning. So not much will be left from 4 to 6 hours of burning wreckage.

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The two metal beams sticking out from the wreckage belongs to Su30 frame structure. Not a drone tail boom. Also, note the landing gear wheels which is too large to belong to a drone.
And then lets not kid ourself, the entire village saw two pilots land with a parachutes and were taken away by military ambulance.
Not a testimony of one or two people but 50 plus.

And lets not forget, there was heavy presence of Indian police at the crash site indicating that something high value asset was being protected.
And oh, my personal favorite evidence is the presence of IAF SU30 pilot in orange uniform.

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And as for satellite images. Indian military did not use their own satellites but the one that is available in public domain. Not all ammunition can be clearly seen via satellite imagery because TNT usage will matter the most. For example, India used cruise missile on a runway so since it uses high TNT the creator will be clearly visible. In Pakistan's case, the CM400 that was used to destory S400 radar carried lower TNT and most probably FRAGMENT BLAST warhead was used to achive high probability kill.

 

[arjunk]

A sleepy factory in Hyderabad is churning out 5000 Pinaka rockets every year for last 17 years, in addition to another facility in AP. Two factories in Bangalore and Kochi is producing 100+ Brahmos each site every year since 2004, and we added another facility with 120 missile production capacity this year. Ordinance factory board in India is producing on average 500 thousands 155mm arti shells for more than 2 decades now..

Even if I assume that the average Pakistani soldier is superior to Indian soldier or PAF pilot is much superior to IAF, even than, the vast difference in resources will come into play the moment war stretch for few days to weeks..

In a short skirmish, Pakistan is a peer competitor to India, that a agree..

So don't wish for something beyond your ability or capability. Neither me nor you are likely to fight, so let's not wish for a catastrophic action by either of the countries leading to distraction of civilians.

The Indian military would think otherwise, especially after its LoC positions were subjected to 20 days' worth of artillery fire in 100 hours.

 

[Baibers_1260]

A sleepy factory in Hyderabad is churning out 5000 Pinaka rockets every year for last 17 years, in addition to another facility in AP. Two factories in Bangalore and Kochi is producing 100+ Brahmos each site every year since 2004, and we added another facility with 120 missile production capacity this year. Ordinance factory board in India is producing on average 500 thousands 155mm arti shells for more than 2 decades now..

Even if I assume that the average Pakistani soldier is superior to Indian soldier or PAF pilot is much superior to IAF, even than, the vast difference in resources will come into play the moment war stretch for few days to weeks..

In a short skirmish, Pakistan is a peer competitor to India, that a agree..

So don't wish for something beyond your ability or capability. Neither me nor you are likely to fight, so let's not wish for a catastrophic action by either of the countries leading to distraction of civilians.

For your education:
Pakistan is not afraid of a long war.
India is not fighting Pakistan alone as confessed by your Vice Chief of Army Staff. In a long war India will be fighting China, Turkey (and possibly Iran) along with Pakistan. These countries can out produce India in defence production.
Here is a dated document by your analysis group

Just in cruise missiles alone China has established automated factories, capable of producing over 1,000 missile components per day.
This includes both land-attack cruise missiles (LACMs) and anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs). The focus on mass production, coupled with advancements in stealth technologies.

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[CallSignMaverick]

The evidence from Akhnoor wreckage all points to SU30 shot down.

While PAF claims it crashed near srinagar while akhnoor was a drone which I've been saying.

 

[Areesh]

While PAF claims it crashed near srinagar while akhnoor was a drone which I've been saying.
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Drone lol

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Simple question for Indian members who are clinging onto the hangars and other aspects of PAF bases damaged, what is easier to hit, a large stationary base or a advance fighter jet in its own airspace with its super spectra suite?

Counter question, why are there no Astra/MICA/Derby BVR wreckages in pakistan? IAF had restrictions to not engage any adversary military assets and hence no SEAD/DEAD ops or engaging of PAF aircrafts. Even in press release it was mentioned no pakistani military assets were engaged while PAF was well prepared for two weeks, the "mistake" CDS was talking about.

Had there been an air battle I am sure there would've been multiple Indian BVRs ending up in pakistan.

Bases in war tend to be targets ask Israel, thousands kms away Iran hit Israeli bases repeatedly going through the most advance and layered aur defences in the world. Paks air defences are minor in comparison so I really dont get the magnified celebrations.

Iran hitting Israeli bases is as useless as pakistan hitting a base in andamans with a shaheen. Iran isn't very close sharing border with israel and doesn't have an airforce which can take advantage of enemy's cratered runway and launch massive attacks. While a hit on PAF's runways and hangars would create immediate disadvantages in front of the adversary unless repaired.

Drone lol


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So PAF is lying by saying Su-30 crashed near Srinagar? I mean random videos ain't an evidence. Especially from a suspended account.

 

[Areesh]

So PAF is lying by saying Su-30 crashed near Srinagar? I mean random videos ain't an evidence. Especially from a suspended account.

Stop clutching at straws man

Suspended account is an eye witness who recorded video of wreckage himself

Also we didn't know your drones also have two pilots as confirmed by locals of akhnoor

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You are just wasting yours and our time with these childish arguments. You aren't going to get any face-saving with such kind of posts

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The biggest weakness in India is not it's military capability against Pakistan but its lack will to fight a decisive war, where it itself will suffer immensely. Many in India believes that we have a real chance to become an economic power in coming years and we are on course towards that goal. Hence, people including the politicians don't see a strong enough reason to involve into a devastating war with Pakistan, which will derail our destiny. Pakistan is a busket case and best be left to it's own path.

Basket case yet still managed to batter, humiliate and castrated india on the world stage despite india being 7× bigger than basket case and having the FULL backing of america, the west, israel and russia............5 french rafales and shivangi singh say HI...........

 

[Terracotta Warrior]

On the contrary, indian nukes have proved useless and damaged india's fighting capability. india has proven to the entire world that it is a paper tiger of the worst kind.

In the May 2025 conflict, Pakistan battered, humiliated and castrated the nuclear state of india on the world stage. That too DESPITE india being 7× bigger than Pakistan and having the FULL BACKING of america, the west, israel and russia. Despite these OVERWHELMING odds and being a nuclear state, india could do NOTHING to Pakistan. It has been an EXTREME humiliation and bitter pill for indian kind to swallow.........

It will be foolish to assume that India can overrun a nation of Pakistan's size in a short skirmish like last one. We have no capacity to impose on you guys in a short conflict. Indian conventional capacity and bigger resources will come into play the moment the conflict strech for few days to weeks.. so far India is shying away from it.. but given Modi' bravado, Pakistan should not try it's luck once more

 

[Terracotta Warrior]

The Indian military would think otherwise, especially after its LoC positions were subjected to 20 days' worth of artillery fire in 100 hours.

And are you assuming that India didn't return the favour in kind and more ?

 

[lightning f57]

Counter question, why are there no Astra/MICA/Derby BVR wreckages in pakistan? IAF had restrictions to not engage any adversary military assets and hence no SEAD/DEAD ops or engaging of PAF aircrafts. Even in press release it was mentioned no pakistani military assets were engaged while PAF was well prepared for two weeks, the "mistake" CDS was talking about.

Had there been an air battle I am sure there would've been multiple Indian BVRs ending up in pakistan.

ISPR mentioned intercepted communications and played them as well, there was heavy EW, IAF didn't know what was going on how will they fire anything if their radars are scrambled and comms heavily affected. I do not buy for one moment the IAF were given orders not to act in self defence. You dont need to do SEAD and DEAD to engage the PAF in an air battle, they would have known that they will likely come against the PAF given the radars and AWACS at PAFs disposal.

Iran hitting Israeli bases is as useless as pakistan hitting a base in andamans with a shaheen. Iran isn't very close sharing border with israel and doesn't have an airforce which can take advantage of enemy's cratered runway and launch massive attacks. While a hit on PAF's runways and hangars would create immediate disadvantages in front of the adversary unless repaired.

That was not my point. My point is its easier to hit an air base than take down an advance fighter jet.