Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Terracotta Warrior]

Yes it showed precise attack capability of IAF. One of the few impressive hits by IAF itself on 10th (rest majority being SSMs with over 50-60% interceptions including 100% for Rafiqui). However, in terms of monetary value im sure the missile itself cost more than what those 2 empty trailers did. But yeah impressive hit - doesn't matter even if did from extreme stand off range.

I'm getting seriously curious about the claims that every hangar hit or every trailer struck by the IAF was already emptied. The rest of the world stores aircraft in hangars, and command-and-control trailers usually come fully equipped — yet here, everything seems to have been cleared out. Did the PAF get some scoop about the impending attacks and evacuate in time? Or were those hangars hiding deeper secrets that is taboo to be discussed ?

 

[Yasser76]

I'm getting seriously curious about the claims that every hangar hit or every trailer struck by the IAF was already emptied. The rest of the world stores aircraft in hangars, and command-and-control trailers usually come fully equipped — yet here, everything seems to have been cleared out. Did the PAF get some scoop about the impending attacks and evacuate in time? Or were those hangars hiding deeper secrets that is taboo to be discussed ?

PAF admitted aircraft damage, no evidence of any loss provided by anyone.Those are the simple facts.

You getting "curious" means jackshit.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

So cute that now instead of facts your responses are full of wishful thinking and words like "Until", "short lived", "soon", "actions will"....

Coping is a bitch ain't it!?

You have to understand their destroyed psychology. All indians are looking for are excuses to justify why they were battered, humiliated and castrated on the world stage by Pakistan despite being more than 7× bigger than Pakistan and having the FULL BACKING of america, the west, israel and russia. This has PERMANENTLY destroyed indian pride and credibility on the world stage. indians CANNOT recover from this.

Mozambique has a population that is 7× smaller than that of Pakistan. Imagine what would happen to all of us if Pakistan was militarily defeated by Mozambique despite Pakistan having the full backing of america, the west, israel and russia. What would be the repercussions on the world stage?

 

[Baibers_1260]

Im impressed by Indian trolls!

It's a war on another front. The psychological war, which is extremely important
Example: Czechoslovakia fell to Nazi Germany because the master propagandist Goebel convinced the population of Czechoslovakia that economically, militarily, and technologically they were outclassed by Germany. The population ceased to support their government and forced a surrender and annexation. Czechoslovakia fell without a shot being fired. Exactly the same thing happened with Austria.

Indian trolls are backed by a $5 billion budget, funded and trained by the RSS IT cell from Keshav Kunj. Each post however unintelligent delivers two rupees (about 2.3 cents ) to the bank account of the troll.
There are many full time troll outfits that have trolls propagating the ideology 24x7 in shifts.
India is banking on a perception campaign to defeat and annex Pakistan.
Key points:
1. India is far stronger than Pakistan economically, militarily, and diplomatically so there is no use for Pakistan to keep resisting India,
2. Pakistan is an artificial entity and has no right to exist,
3. The physical survival of the Pakistani people lies in surrendering completely to India, accepting annexation and direct rule by the Indian government and accepting their cultural, religious and, educational inferiority to the majority population of India; exactly the way the population of Indian occupied Kashmir has done.
4. Long term the population of Pakistan must choose between converting to the majority religion in India or suffer elimination.

 

[ety]

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Lol, first time hear an Indian or anyone says that Modi or India is a puppet of China. I thought Indians think their India is a superpower next only to USA and Modi is the Vishvaguru of the world , their country is superior to China indeed. What makes this guy thinks so low of their great leader ?

 

[Waz]

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Ill judged decision, at least 12 aircraft should have been shot down. You needed miles of territory to be covered with the wreckage of their planes. That would send a serious message to them. With 5-7 depending on what sources you use, you still have them talking about tactical hits and all sorts of nonsense.
They started it and opened fire on nation and killing innocent people, there is no niceness then.

 

[Yasser76]

Ill judged decision, at least 12 aircraft should have been shot down. You needed miles of territory to be covered with the wreckage of their planes. That would send a serious message to them. With 5-7 depending on what sources you use, you still have them talking about tactical hits and all sorts of nonsense.
They started it and opened fire on nation and killing innocent people, there is no niceness then.

Militarily speaking 5-6 is almost as bad as 12. Both are still an ass whupping, one just more severe.

Also, if going for 12 means 1-2 PAF jets may have been put at higher risk, maybe we did the right thing?

 

[Yasser76]

I can understand your itch to engage in a discussion void of substance or intellect, but the comment wasn't directed at you — so you can keep your vocabulary to yourself

Nice use of long words on a meaningless post.

Why the big itch to come to a Pakistani Defence forum all the time dude?

 

[side-winder]

I'm getting seriously curious about the claims that every hangar hit or every trailer struck by the IAF was already emptied. The rest of the world stores aircraft in hangars, and command-and-control trailers usually come fully equipped — yet here, everything seems to have been cleared out. Did the PAF get some scoop about the impending attacks and evacuate in time? Or were those hangars hiding deeper secrets that is taboo to be discussed ?

Most airforces have hardened aircraft shelters for storage of aircrafts. You hit three hangars.

Sukkur - an FOB which is used only when required - unlike a main flying base where routine flying operations are carried out. Even then, Sukkur has its own hardened shelters in case of deployment there.

Jacobabad - I don’t feel any reason to disclose the purpose of hangar however, it is used only when required for X purpose. Otherwise the aircrafts are positioned at hardened shelters. Moreover, given the fact that missiles were already flying - Do you expect PAF to keep aircraft in hangars which are vulnerable, easy to hit and offer no structural protection?

Bholari - The damage to aircraft is already admitted and discussed. That aircraft could never be fit into a hardened shelter.

About those trailers i have already explained. Now you can go and believe whatever you want. Least of my concern.

 

[Baibers_1260]

India has moved beyond the stage of seeking validation for its grievances. Judging by the current mood, actions will come first — validation will follow post facto

So what actions has India taken that has permanently resolved "its grievances " ? What successful "validation" followed "post facto"?
( By the way there is a stormy debate in your Parliament over the "validations" issue)
Define India's grievances, and what actions it will continue to take.

None of the three countries are in a position to gain territory from one another without triggering a catastrophic war

India's Parliament in 1991 passed a resolution calling for the recovery of "Pakistan Occupied Kashmir ". So the 543 Indian Parliament members in the Lok Sabha and 250 members of the Rajya Sabha are probably unaware of your statement above and are not concerned about "triggering a catastrophic war".

Would be interesting to know how you define a "catastrophic war" In the post below you said India would ensure the next war will be fought "to a conclusion" . You still did not define the term "conclusion ".

The next conflict, whenever it happens, is likely to drag on much longer. India may feel compelled to see it through to a conclusion that’s clearly in its favour—something that makes the future potentially very dangerous.

 

[Terracotta Warrior]

Most airforces have hardened aircraft shelters for storage of aircrafts. You hit three hangars.

Sukkur - an FOB which is used only when required - unlike a main flying base where routine flying operations are carried out. Even then, Sukkur has its own hardened shelters in case of deployment there.

Jacobabad - I don’t feel any reason to disclose the purpose of hangar however, it is used only when required for X purpose. Otherwise the aircrafts are positioned at hardened shelters. Moreover, given the fact that missiles were already flying - Do you expect PAF to keep aircraft in hangars which are vulnerable, easy to hit and offer no structural protection?

Bholari - The damage to aircraft is already admitted and discussed. That aircraft could never be fit into a hardened shelter.

About those trailers i have already explained. Now you can go and believe whatever you want. Least of my concern.

Noted. But then, why doesn’t that same logic apply to the PAF’s claim of hitting S-400 batteries in Udhampur and Bhuj? The only official 'evidence' I’ve seen is two before-and-after satellite images of an S-400 radar — with the radar missing in the 'after' image — leading to the assumption that it must have been destroyed. But that’s hardly conclusive, is it?

 

[Yasser76]

Noted. But then, why doesn’t that same logic apply to the PAF’s claim of hitting S-400 batteries in Udhampur and Bhuj? The only official 'evidence' I’ve seen is two before-and-after satellite images of an S-400 radar — with the radar missing in the 'after' image — leading to the assumption that it must have been destroyed. But that’s hardly conclusive, is it?

Did you lot not beg for S-400 replacement straight after?

 

[side-winder]

Noted. But then, why doesn’t that same logic apply to the PAF’s claim of hitting S-400 batteries in Udhampur and Bhuj? The only official 'evidence' I’ve seen is two before-and-after satellite images of an S-400 radar — with the radar missing in the 'after' image — leading to the assumption that it must have been destroyed. But that’s hardly conclusive, is it?

No, the open source evidence is not conclusive.

 

[Windjammer]

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[Baibers_1260]

Did you lot not beg for S-400 replacement straight after?

Yes, they did. Ajit Doval tried to go to Russia demanding replacements for the Cheeseboard Radar destroyed.

Ajit Doval to Visit Moscow to Fast-Track S-400 Deliveries Following Historic Performance in India-Pakistan Clash - Indian Defence Research Wing

SOURCE: AFI India’s National Security Adviser (NSA) Ajit Doval is scheduled to visit Moscow in the coming days to attend the 13th International Meeting of High Representatives for Security Issues, set for May 27–29, 2025. Amid escalating regional tensions, Doval is expected to press the Russian...

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When Russia said "Maybe later" the trip was postponed because of seasonal flue

NSA Ajit Doval to not attend Moscow security meet: Sources - The Tribune

NSA Ajit Doval was scheduled to attend the 13th International Meeting of High Representatives for Security Issues to be held in Moscow, Russia, on 27-29 May 2025. He is, however, unable to participate in the meeting due to indisposition with a seasonal flu, sources said.

www.tribuneindia.com