Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Some pretty interesting videos on Indian channels. In one Major Guarav Arya and one in which the more intelligent Professor Brahama Chellany wanting India to send either ' redline' or a 'forceful' message, respectively, to Russia to not supply the engines for Pakistan's JF-16/17. And then we have this on Pakistan's own Dawn.com which confirms the rumors that the visits of the Pakistani Air Chief and the Army Chiefs to America were going to lead to Pakistan getting some major upgrades to its F-16 fleet. A reliable Pakistani retired Air Force official said some weeks ago that the upgrades to F-16s would make the F-16s much more capable aircraft. And then I hear Indians saying their Air Force's upgrades to match Pakistan won't happen before 2034!!! And Dawn.com is also reporting a high-level Saudi delegation is arriving in Pakistan very soon.

So it would make sense for India to try to severely damage the PAF while India has a better chance for that now then, say, 2-3 years later. Some chilling calculations going on!!!

www.dawn.com

Pakistan to be sold advanced US air-to-air missiles by Raytheon

Modification in Raytheon contract says missile production for C8 and D3 variants will be completed by May 2030.
www.dawn.com

Pakistan will be sold Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) by United States defence group Raytheon following a modification in the firm’s contract that included the country in the list of buyers, it emerged on Tuesday.

The US missiles are equipped on F-16 Falcons flown by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).

A September 30 press release on the contracts issued by the US Department of War for the US Air Force said Raytheon was awarded a $41.6 million firm-fixed-price modification to a previously awarded contract for the enhanced C8 and D3 AMRAAM variants and their production.

It added that the modification brought the total cumulative face value of the contract to $2.5 billion from $2.47bn.
 
Meengla said:
Some pretty interesting videos on Indian channels. In one Major Guarav Arya and one in which the more intelligent Professor Brahama Chellany wanting India to send either ' redline' or a 'forceful' message, respectively, to Russia to not supply the engines for Pakistan's JF-16/17. And then we have this on Pakistan's own Dawn.com which confirms the rumors that the visits of the Pakistani Air Chief and the Army Chiefs to America were going to lead to Pakistan getting some major upgrades to its F-16 fleet. A reliable Pakistani retired Air Force official said some weeks ago that the upgrades to F-16s would make the F-16s much more capable aircraft. And then I hear Indians saying their Air Force's upgrades to match Pakistan won't happen before 2034!!! And Dawn.com is also reporting a high-level Saudi delegation is arriving in Pakistan very soon.

So it would make sense for India to try to severely damage the PAF while India has a better chance for that now then, say, 2-3 years later. Some chilling calculations going on!!!

www.dawn.com

Pakistan to be sold advanced US air-to-air missiles by Raytheon

Modification in Raytheon contract says missile production for C8 and D3 variants will be completed by May 2030.
www.dawn.com

Pakistan will be sold Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) by United States defence group Raytheon following a modification in the firm’s contract that included the country in the list of buyers, it emerged on Tuesday.

The US missiles are equipped on F-16 Falcons flown by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).

A September 30 press release on the contracts issued by the US Department of War for the US Air Force said Raytheon was awarded a $41.6 million firm-fixed-price modification to a previously awarded contract for the enhanced C8 and D3 AMRAAM variants and their production.

It added that the modification brought the total cumulative face value of the contract to $2.5 billion from $2.47bn.
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India is experiencing severe butthurt. No doubt about that.

You have to remember that Saudi Pak pact will also hinder India–Middle East–Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC), which is designed to establish a sea and land trade route connecting India and Israel via Saudi Arabia and Jordan.

India is in a bind. India has faced some serious setbacks in the last half year or so.
 
A proper response to 2019 Spice bombs attack into Pakistan proper would have been to hit targets across the Redcliffe line. Deterence would have been etablished automatically.

Then again in May this year, all InAF dogs houses (bases) should have been bombed from where the attack was expected. A proper deterence would have been created, albeit late, and Hindu bastards would have been put in their proper places. But we waited for them to take the initiative and let them kill our civies first.

What are we hoping this time, to have our top brass and premier defence institutions taken down first before we decide to give a "measured response"? Better to announce defeat right now and concede to every demand of Hindus and their Zio friends and call it a day.
 
Falgrine said:
A proper response to 2019 Spice bombs attack into Pakistan proper would have been to hit targets across the Redcliffe line. Deterence would have been etablished automatically.

Then again in May this year, all InAF dogs houses (bases) should have been bombed from where the attack was expected. A proper deterence would have been created, albeit late, and Hindu bastards would have been put in their proper places. But we waited for them to take the initiative and let them kill our civies first.

What are we hoping this time, to have our top brass and premier defence institution taken down first before we decide to give a "measured response"? Better to announce defeat right now and concede to every demand of Hindus and their Zio friends and call it a day.
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They should have done this immediately instead of going on about "time and place of our choosing".

We lost our children on the 1st night, the response should be have been immediate and severe and their hinduvita population centres targeted.
 
Dalit said:
India is experiencing severe butthurt. No doubt about that.
You have to remember that Saudi Pak pact will also hinder India–Middle East–Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC), which is designed to establish a sea and land trade route connecting India and Israel via Saudi Arabia and Jordan.
India is in a bind.
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The world is verily a Jungle now and a Jungle doesn't respect a loser, especially something which appears to have so many advantages such as India has over Pakistan.
Operation Sindoor was Modi's huge folly; between April 22 and May 7, I had posted that I don't see how India could come out ahead: Even a 'stalemate' would be a Pakistani 'victory' in global perception. Plus, India was going to lose more in terms of its economy due to flight of capital, tourism. But Modi made the disastrous decision of attacking Pakistan over some dubious charges blamed on Pakistan.
And on operational level, PDF was already discussing the shipment of the Chinese PL-15 missiles between April 22 and May 7 and discussing the range of the missiles. It looks like Indian planners were less informed then even we rookies here because they miscalculated what type of range the Chinese missile were being shipped with?? How could it be?!!

But it is not only the physical conflict which is in the mix here: What India should really, really FEAR is a China-sponsored UNSC resolution over the Kashmir dispute in which India may not find an automatic Russian Veto the next time. Whoever is going to Veto that, would want to extract some major concessions from India!!!!
 
I saw a news that British PM is either already in India or flying to India, if the news is true then nothing will happen, because wars or skirmishes don't break out while PM's or Presidents of Powerful nations are in either Pakistan or India.
 
Starlord said:
I saw a news that British PM is either already in India or flying to India, if the news is true then nothing will happen, because wars or skirmishes don't break out while PM's or Presidents of Powerful nations are in either Pakistan or India.
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last time US vice was there , Indians have lost the plot they dont care anymore
 
I agree with some of the statements here that Pakistan should declare the RSS as terrorists and target their schools and temples (terrorist centres) with full force. Particular attention on Gujarat should be made and the assets of the business men who help Modi.
 
tman786 said:
I agree with some of the statements here that Pakistan should declare the RSS as terrorists and target their schools and temples (terrorist centres) with full force. Particular attention on Gujarat should be made and the assets of the business men who help Modi.
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yes we should have done that last time when they attacked our mosques
 
tman786 said:
I agree with some of the statements here that Pakistan should declare the RSS as terrorists and target their schools and temples (terrorist centres) with full force. Particular attention on Gujarat should be made and the assets of the business men who help Modi.
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This is actually the single best move Pakistan can make presently to put real pressure on The Secular Republic of Hindustan.

Will Modi then dare to deny the charge when the involvement of BJP members and BJP affiliates in acts of domestic and transnational acts of terror is globally evidenced?

Those who are mouthpieces for and organise and facilitate terror are no different from the ones who pull the trigger. They know what they're doing and should be cognisant of the risks of their game.
 
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