Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Winthorpe]

We should be ready. 24 october to 4 november. anything can happen. I think india will again target pakistan while staying away from paf reach which is 500km away. We will see massive drone attacks targeting paf bases and similar attacks from brahmos. India is watching ukraine russia war closely and learning new tactics. India and afghanistan has secret agreement. Afghans did things purposefully with the bodies of our soldiers. They want full scale war and talibans are already prepared for all of this.

I think from 24 october to 4 november, we will see two front. If we attack afghanistan again, this will give opportunity to india. This is their script. I don't know what's our script. If they attack karachi this time then all the redlines will be crossed and i hope pakistan will not bend it's knees before trump. We shouldn't sacrifice our honor. We must not listen to United States this time. We should not worry about targeting important assets of enemy. We should hit enemy very hard this time and if our glide bombs aren't working then find solution and bomb the crap out of india.

I am expecting ground invasion of indian armed forces this time. we should worry. It's not like walk in the park. They will come with different strategy.

Why this timeframe? Any special reasons for this window?

 

[gamaji]

Modi has again threaten to strike Karachi

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There is an itch and there is a capacity. Modi has abundance of itch but lack capacity and courage. All this is a part of coping with the defeat and humiliation he had to endure in May. A barking dog is merely barking.

 

[NA71]

There is an itch and there is a capacity. Modi has abundance of itch but lack capacity and courage. All this is a part of coping with the defeat and humiliation he had to endure in May. A barking dog is merely barking.

Some times ...we should take our enemy seriously ....not like Indians ....they believed PL15 range was max 150 KM....

the realization cost after got down 7 jets were huge...they will pay forever. 7-0 can not be undone.

 

[gamaji]

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It's more than just fake propaganda. Indians continuously keep repeating these lies to cover up the Indian state terrorism against Pakistan and pre-emptively counter Pakistani efforts to expose Indian state policies to use terrorism as a tool to achieve political goals.

 

[JamD]

What is needed is creating actual fear that the propaganda machine fails.
Blow up something in their cities - their homes - so they truly feel fear that propaganda cannot change.

That is idea of shock and awe. Otherwise you could dismantle the entire IAF ADGE and if “blind lords” cannot see or experience anything then they will continue to cite this or that for self gratification.

I have considered that possibility but even I admit I am a little afraid of the kind of escalation this may cause.

Also consider the fact that according to ISPR they were directing their attacks on Amritsar as sort of a false flag attempt. So would we be playing into their hands by doing shock and awe?

Also also, can Pakistan even do shock and awe or is it more awww baby.

 

[NA71]

It's more than just fake propaganda. Indians continuously keep repeating these lies to cover up the Indian state terrorism against Pakistan and pre-emptively counter Pakistani efforts to expose Indian state policies to use terrorism as a tool to achieve political goals.

You know ...why indians are preempting our efforts....our policy of restraint...we are a bit more cautious.

4 threats in a row in just 24 hrs from India.

 

[Oscar]

I have considered that possibility but even I admit I am a little afraid of the kind of escalation this may cause.

Also consider the fact that according to ISPR they were directing their attacks on Amritsar as sort of a false flag attempt. So would we be playing into their hands by doing shock and awe?

Also also, can Pakistan even do shock and awe or is it more awww baby.

You have enough weapons for it -
The problem is both political and execution will.

The amount of fear that thrives in Pakistan’s leadership is immense.
They are convinced of their house of cards because either they all are yes men reporting a non operational mix of half baked men, weapons and tactics to save their own skins or have so much to lose that is already semi compromised that they cannot take the decisions that need to be taken.

It doesn’t have to be all of them like this - just 20% in such a state is enough to cripple the system and provide excuses of “Strategic restraint” where there was never a need for one.

There is such a balance between timid and foolhardy but unfortunately Pakistanis don’t seem to have ever learned it or care to.

 

[Blain2]

That is just PAF claims without an iota of Proof.
Satellite images do not support PAF claims of strikes at all.
Which is why both RUSI and Stimson Center declared IAF the winner of May 10th.

There is more than enough evidence of PA/PAF munitions hitting Indian locations. Just because Pakistan did not publish "satellite images", it does not mean that strikes did not happen. No less than Indian military spokespersons spoke about Pakistani strikes and UAVs loitering over Northern India and there is more than enough video/photographic evidence by citizenry on the Indian side (which was hurriedly clamped down to manage the narrative-shaping) including that of the wreckages of the shot down aircraft over North India (which were clumsily covered by tarp by the IAF officials). Some Indian defenders incredously even claimed their aircraft went down due to maintenance issues...)

Also, RUSI and Stimson Center? Who made them the "official judges" and what cred do they have? They do the bidding based on the narrative building they are told to do. Clearly, anything that shows Chinese allied, or Chinese systems dominating would be a problem.

Also, at one point in time, the narrative had to be forced after IAF found itself outclassed on multiple occasions [I.e., 1958, 65, 71 (Ref: On its feet and standing), 1999, 2019 and 2025] and thus the alignment through lobbied think-tanks to publish fictitious claims of Indian superiority when none exists in reality. Trump would not be repeating the impact of the hammering in the air that India received given his advisors had more exact intelligence than all of these Toms, Dicks and Harries at these Think Tanks.

Also, next time, the need to see "satellite imagery" will also be addressed.

 

[arsalan345]

Why this timeframe? Any special reasons for this window?

Bihar elections are near. it starts from 6 november. Indian airforce has exercises with other nations in first week of november so it's likely after the end of diwali. These are crucial times. Afghanistan Pakistan can also start anytime. This is golden chance for india and i am sure there will be ground invason this time. You can see their threats. even Pm of india is threatening on daily basis. We refrained too much. PAF must show that it can also target enemy deep inside it's own land. Pakistan do have raads but i am not sure about it's performance. PAF is better in bvr but we need ground attack more than bvr.

 

[safriz]

Paak ki napaak saajish

 

[Krptonite]

You have enough weapons for it -
The problem is both political and execution will.

The amount of fear that thrives in Pakistan’s leadership is immense.
They are convinced of their house of cards because either they all are yes men reporting a non operational mix of half baked men, weapons and tactics to save their own skins or have so much to lose that is already semi compromised that they cannot take the decisions that need to be taken.

It doesn’t have to be all of them like this - just 20% in such a state is enough to cripple the system and provide excuses of “Strategic restraint” where there was never a need for one.

There is such a balance between timid and foolhardy but unfortunately Pakistanis don’t seem to have ever learned it or care to.

I disagree that the situation is clear-cut. When it comes to escalation and de-escalation, both sides are aware of and aligned with the rules of engagement.

Attacking civilian areas without a military rationale leaves no choice but to respond with greater force, making it difficult to de-escalate. This can lead to endless escalation with no clear resolution.

Both sides will claim victory, regardless of reality, driven by political survival rather than bravado. The narrative is further complicated by state-coerced elements suppressing free speech, leaving ordinary citizens to argue online.

The trend here suggests that Indian politics has refined its messaging for the election cycle, leveraging military action – real or implied – to garner support from its electoral base.

Even a casual observer would note that:

1. The Pakistan army is not an easy target for one-sided coercion.
2. The lack of geographical barriers between our nations means both sides have equal access to resources at the engagement level.
3. The deep-seated demonization and hatred between the two nations' populations leaves little room for restraint, making any action likely to be met with a strong reaction.

 

[PK781]

so what's the latest threat matrix and chances say?
Is it quiet on borders ?? Are the indians still gearing up at our borders in the masses? How is things on the naval front?
How early is op tandoor 2.0 starting?

 

[Oscar]

I disagree that the situation is clear-cut. When it comes to escalation and de-escalation, both sides are aware of and aligned with the rules of engagement.

Attacking civilian areas without a military rationale leaves no choice but to respond with greater force, making it difficult to de-escalate. This can lead to endless escalation with no clear resolution.

Both sides will claim victory, regardless of reality, driven by political survival rather than bravado. The narrative is further complicated by state-coerced elements suppressing free speech, leaving ordinary citizens to argue online.

The trend here suggests that Indian politics has refined its messaging for the election cycle, leveraging military action – real or implied – to garner support from its electoral base.

Even a casual observer would note that:

1. The Pakistan army is not an easy target for one-sided coercion.
2. The lack of geographical barriers between our nations means both sides have equal access to resources at the engagement level.
3. The deep-seated demonization and hatred between the two nations' populations leaves little room for restraint, making any action likely to be met with a strong reaction.

The rationale could be anything from Brahamdagh to RSS - the issue is that either side is so locked in with jingoistic propaganda that the very real damage of things spiraling out of control escapes them.
Regardless of who called Trump first, there is the what if of the outside pressure not being enough.

1. If the leadership in Pakistan dithers and they look like they were defeated they are at risk of a coup

2. If they take extreme foolhardy steps then they are risking nuclear rungs which has no predictable future.

3. The only way this resolves is if the space for political propaganda for military conflict is removed. That cannot be done through creating purely military responses to what are regardless of intended targets civilian casualties. Mutually assured destruction has to be re established otherwise peace cannot be achieved.

 

[Oscar]

Bihar elections are near. it starts from 6 november. Indian airforce has exercises with other nations in first week of november so it's likely after the end of diwali. These are crucial times. Afghanistan Pakistan can also start anytime. This is golden chance for india and i am sure there will be ground invason this time. You can see their threats. even Pm of india is threatening on daily basis. We refrained too much. PAF must show that it can also target enemy deep inside it's own land. Pakistan do have raads but i am not sure about it's performance. PAF is better in bvr but we need ground attack more than bvr.

Those aren’t the only aspects to look at.
If you want to see if war is imminent - look at trades being made in the Indian stock exchange by Modi’s allies and what movements are his Indian billionaire friends doing.
Then gauge if war is imminent or not.

 

[arjunk]

The deep-seated demonization and hatred between the two nations' populations leaves little room for restraint, making any action likely to be met with a strong reaction.

there is no 'both sides' here, the deep seated demonization and hatred is entirely on the Indian Hindu side. Need I remind you it was India who for the first time in indopak history, intentionally bombed civilian areas during wartime and bragged about it later.

Pakistanis are no fans of India but our national politics certainly do not revolve around communalism and hatred for India.

Even if Pakistanis reciprocated a fraction of the hatred Indians spewed towards us, the fact remains that GHQ is less likely to cave in to public opinion than the Indian govt.