Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Ali_Baba]

Off topic - we need to know what's going on Afghanistan at the same time here

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It is time to treat the TTA and TTP both as one, and take them both down. If they chose to be bed fellows, then so be it. Does not need hundreds of air strikes, just several a day and let the pressure build up and let them fight themselves and each other.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

Thats the order of destruction.

1. KHANDHAR
2. INS VIKRANT
3. GUJRAT ECONOMIC HUB INTO RUBBLE.

EVERYTHING IN THE NORTHERN SECTOR IS IN CONTROL...
IA CAN BECOME A SANDWICH IN THE NORTH... BUT SOUTH NEEDS KNOCKOUT BLOWS....

 

[Master Chief]

Whatever floats your boat.

..or grounds your air force.

 

[Master Chief]

@Oscar @Panzerkiel sorry to ping you but i believe you two are most knowledgeable on these matters but what is the state of preparedness of V corps and its associated assets in the region. In particular i wanted to ask about their radars and EW capability because afaik most of those type of units are with units in punjab or more explocity under PAF control. And also what role Sindh rangers can play.

I'd rather they did not share specific details about active battle preparedness. One never knows who is ploughing through these pages for intel.

 

[PK781]

Afghans will attack first
OR
India will attack first

(if India will attack first afgans will also heat up border right away.)

2 front war (3 front if this time it's navy as well).

hence a final lasting blow must be dealt to the rats on both sides.
Exterminate the rats at all costs.

 

[PK781]

Pakistan must this time ensure that india's entire economic and oil hubs are taken out permanently as well as critical infrastructure. Its the only way those panjeets will learn a lesson. We can't be doing small skirmishes every few months. Time for permanent lessons to b taught to the stinky rats

 

[Aggregate]

Pakistan must this time ensure that india's entire economic and oil hubs are taken out permanently as well as critical infrastructure. Its the only way those panjeets will learn a lesson. We can't be doing small skirmishes every few months. Time for permanent lessons to b taught to the stinky rats

Precisely, this is getting pretty annoying and needs to be dealt with in a strong way. In the end its Adanis and Ambanis who control India, BJP and the Godi Media. Attack their refineries, economic interests and they will Slap sense into Modi anyway.

Same goes for the world, they are already tired of Israel and Russia, nobody wants another wannabe Rogue nation poking another nuclear power every few months, keeping the whole world at the edge of a nuclear escalation.

I won't be surprised is work is hard underway at some global levels, to get rid of this stupid Hindutva cult of a Govt.

 

[Master Chief]

Pakistan must this time ensure that india's entire economic and oil hubs are taken out permanently as well as critical infrastructure. Its the only way those panjeets will learn a lesson. We can't be doing small skirmishes every few months. Time for permanent lessons to b taught to the stinky rats

Damage the oligarchy in order to damage the enemy.

 

[Cipher212]

It's all but very pathetic effort to credit IAF for the success on 10th. When, it was mostly their SSMs from Surat Garh, Bhuj and a firing range near Jaiselmer doing the magic. We have shown the real time moving tracks clearly showing launch of SSMs. And i have personally authenticated these radar tracks.

The fact is IAF's flying was reduced to bare minimum. Which i think is one of the lessons they learnt from the 7th. Instead of putting a large armada in air - fly better planned sorties keeping safe distances - and it was a better strategy. However, it's really pathetic to see the 4th largest airforce resorting to such narratives based on lies, only to have some face saving after 7th -- the claims of imaginary kills only added to their pathetic state of mind.

Yes, they did hit some of the bases from air including Nur Khan but for the most part, it was primarily the SSM BrahMos being lobbed at MOBs.

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I see. What about the one Brahmos that kept flying straight on above the airbase it was targeting (I cannot recall the name now). Was that jammed or a malfunction? It was pointed out by the AVM as well.

 

[CSAW]

 

[Oscar]

And who told these world renowned publications about detection of IN submarines? I guess they had embedded journalists with PN or PN informed them about their own great success stories.

Has IN ever made any such declaration of success? It means either they are incompetent to the core or they keep quiet and go about doing what they are supposed to.

With a fleet of 12 P8Is, they must be darn useless to not detect anything at all or the Pak submarines have gained such high tech means that they remain undetected to any Indian effort.

You might take the option one here, but any serious observer knows the answer to this.

I go back to my initial observation. Which is - many posters have claimed all the success to themselves and all the failures to the other side.

Both IN and PN keep quiet about 90% of things they are doing.
For e.g shadowing a sub to its base if declared means letting the enemy know you have this ability. That means you have routes you charted which are not known to the enemy and they will try to find out.

However, if a claim is made on detecting something it isnt just a “brag”. There is effort and money spent to try and find new routes, along undersea features and taking advantage of acoustics/ other vessels etc etc to find ways to get close to your enemy’s critical assets. The US for e.g has probably the most detailed maps of undersea features/acoustic conditions/time/cycles etc which it can use for e.g to park subs well into EEZs of places like Pakistan. The PN developed a lot of focus on being able to detect that - one of biggest mistakes Ive seen Indian members do is to assume Pakistan was focusing on fighting India when in reality from 2005-6 onwards it was “focusing” on countering US efforts to learn how to neutralize Pakistani nuclear capabilities.
This included everything from operational security practices, to encryption and then EW detection and so on. They knew they had little chance but whatever hurdles they could create they did. So the standard to beat wasn’t the IN specifically but NATO capabilities.

Are they a dangerous threat to NATO capabilities? Heck no. But enough strides were made that helped counter or be asymmetric counters to what India was doing in its efforts to expand both against Pakistan but also PLAN and its “anti” everyone else security.

Coming back to the claim - the claim is made specifically to say “Your route is known” so any plans you had from blockade to inserting a MARCOS team to try and claim Ibrahim with body and so on are on hold.
On the other hand, when India announces a torpedo BM it’s also sending a message saying that to take advantage of the massive coastline and land/launch assets wont work because it has detection availability for most of its coast and can launch if nothing else a fear weapon against any sub trying that.

Just because a citation isn’t public - doesn’t mean both IN and PN aren’t fighting their silent wars. To focus plainly on citations(which does happen at times) also ignores sacrifices made by those folks or plain feats of navigation and discipline that lead to critical intelligence or thwarting the enemy.

 

[Oscar]

Rafale was a tactical loss and can happen to anyone. Nothing to be proud of but not something to start going onto a coma.

The turn around after that was very clear and your military planners had no clue what to do when Brahmos, Scalp etc were raining down on your bases.

Same planners had nothing to show other than making tall claims that they have attacked each and every base on the western front.

Gloating is fine, but, it should be backed with substance.

If you’re focusing on the Rafale as a loss it is as myopic as those chest thumping on the loss.
The Rafale loss isn’t the win. Putting a 600 combat aircraft airforce to completely ground itself for nearly 24 hours and pushing it to use its aircraft in hit and run tactics while opposition fighters could and were operating in your own airspace is the loss.

Sure, tactics were adopted and single and three ship disciplined attacks were carried out against certain Pakistani targets but these were minuscule compared to what was originally envisioned and at best led to slowing operational tempo(not cutting it) at one PAF base. Everything else was again left to the Brahmos of which a significant number of series -I and II Brahmos were spoofed.

Then, regardless of whether it was destroyed or not - two S-400 sites were suppressed- which means they folded up and hid while an entire air corridor was created by the PAF.

Did the PAF actually have success from that corridor? Other than interviews to AFM and others it doesn’t. Could we plainly blame not having money for maxar?
No, that is intellectual dishonesty so it remains a claim but at the end of the day an airforce 1/4th the size of the IAF managed to create enough fear, uncertainty and doubt in its planners that its tip of the spear aircraft was pulled back and it had to resort to behaving as the defensive force.

Call it a David vs Goliath moment of claim even though realistically the Goliath here with its proverbial larger fists landed a heavy punch - it was still disoriented and protecting its face from the initial knock to it.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[Fatman17]

India exercise area. Tri-services.

 

[Dark-Lord]

Can you enlighten us with the official casualties from both sides?

Sure.
On LoC: IA casualties 4 and PA casualties 5.

Non- LoC: India casualties 4 ( 1 IA, 2 BSF, 1 IAF); Pakistan casualties 8 (1 Ranger, 1 PA, 6 PAF).