Pakistan - Iran News / Discussion

[Oscar]

Only if they are still trying to be nice at that point.

Or they can fire a missile or three, again.

It depends on who they have finally calling the shots. The rather simplistic assumption is that regardless of rational or irrational - regimes built on religious themes are working on the common "political religious" theme as their main motivation when it is usually far from the truth. I forget how many times I stated this but at the end you could have had a pastafarian revolution in Iran with the flying spaghetti monster and yet they would still be focused on proxies and extending their influence net. Moreover, because of the initialization of the IRGC as a separate force with separate command structures, Iran really does have an issue at times of the right hand not knowing what the left is up to.

It's the frikkin Persian empire - one of the original world powers - not going to lose that characteristic that easy. For that matter the relationship with Pakistan eased because they realized when Israeli F-35s were flying 100km from Tehran they need to pipe down and save their assets so you had their entire transport fleet parked half at Quetta and Karachi along with other critical equipment while "show of force" cover was provided to ensure those assets being chased down by the IDF would not violate Pakistan airspace. to the extent that Pakistan had to send certain messages saying it was only going to ensure safety of "civilian" assets seeking refuge and did not want to be dragged into this conflict.

The Iranians have every reason to be humble & contrite at this point because they realized they had no other neighbor even willing to discuss this. But to consider it long lasting genuineness is to consider Pakistan's overtures to trump or vice versa or any international relationship genuine. It's transactional in ways most people never look into, transactions that go well beyond just monetary or physical material but words and commitments.

Put on one of my favorite movies yesterday - Redford and Pitt's "Spy Game" - the movie may seem far fetched and fictional - but the idea that a senior or group of senior operatives in an intelligence agency(or bureaucracy or cabinet or anything else) can run their own parallel operations for personal reasons isn't far from reality.

 

[VCheng]

It depends on who they have finally calling the shots. The rather simplistic assumption is that regardless of rational or irrational - regimes built on religious themes are working on the common "political religious" theme as their main motivation when it is usually far from the truth. I forget how many times I stated this but at the end you could have had a pastafarian revolution in Iran with the flying spaghetti monster and yet they would still be focused on proxies and extending their influence net. Moreover, because of the initialization of the IRGC as a separate force with separate command structures, Iran really does have an issue at times of the right hand not knowing what the left is up to.

It's the frikkin Persian empire - one of the original world powers - not going to lose that characteristic that easy. For that matter the relationship with Pakistan eased because they realized when Israeli F-35s were flying 100km from Tehran they need to pipe down and save their assets so you had their entire transport fleet parked half at Quetta and Karachi along with other critical equipment while "show of force" cover was provided to ensure those assets being chased down by the IDF would not violate Pakistan airspace. to the extent that Pakistan had to send certain messages saying it was only going to ensure safety of "civilian" assets seeking refuge and did not want to be dragged into this conflict.

The Iranians have every reason to be humble & contrite at this point because they realized they had no other neighbor even willing to discuss this. But to consider it long lasting genuineness is to consider Pakistan's overtures to trump or vice versa or any international relationship genuine. It's transactional in ways most people never look into, transactions that go well beyond just monetary or physical material but words and commitments.

Put on one of my favorite movies yesterday - Redford and Pitt's "Spy Game" - the movie may seem far fetched and fictional - but the idea that a senior or group of senior operatives in an intelligence agency(or bureaucracy or cabinet or anything else) can run their own parallel operations for personal reasons isn't far from reality.

A great post, but about a topic I try to stay well clear of, given the policies of this forum. You have said many things worthy of thought and debate, but sadly, that has to remain in check from my side.

Suffice to say that Iran continues to write checks it cannot cash. It can end only one way.

(That is a great movie, right up to the last scene!)

 

[muhammed45]

@Musings

Please go through the comments of that British iser, distant_observer, in this thread, already busy with destroying the goal of this positive event.

I always wonder why you Pakistanis allow foreigners to speak for you.

Whenever something positive comes out certain elements come and ruin it.

One of them, i well discovered that bastard. Take a look into this


In the Egyptian air defense systems thread. Look at the writing of Hamas word. He has used Jewish spelling and ironically he was one of those so called Sunni warriors. There was a time when ignorant elements from amongst Pakistanis lined behind him and insulted Iranians. You can see deleted comments i guess. His nickname was Ziaulislam. From the old forum.

Don't make us hopeless, allowing foreigners to speak for Pakistanis freely without consequence of their bad intentions, is very harmful.

Btw, Iran will apparently allow Pakistani ships and traders to use south-north corridor. Which is a very strategic move, will already cause major shifts.

I guess the real Pakistanis are aware that such a move will help Gwadar port to stabilise its own strategic role.

I consider it as a huge favor for Pakistanis.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

We damn well know this has nothing to do with Israel and its takeover of Palestine because Iran has had no issues with India and its oppression on Kashmir and its Muslims.

In fact Iran voted in the UN for India in the 90s.

Iran was trying to surround Saudi Arabia. Syria, Lebanon, Yemem and attempt on Iraq. They were trying to encircle Saudi Arabia with its proxies.

If Israel didn't challenge this then Iran would never have bothered with Israel and continued to give lip service about Palestinians.

Lip service? almost all weapons, missiles or anything fired upon Israel came through Iran or Iranian allies.
Iran fought against western impersialism, that's the ideology of Iran. GCC, Jordan is legacy of British impersialism (Hence they commited genocide in Yemen and stopped Iranian missiles from reaching Israel). And now Syria and slowly Lebanon (which you mentioned) are becoming US projects. Israel is the cancer planted in west asia to disrupt, occupy and kill. If sunni Arabs are ok with that (especially GCC, Jordan), let them handle it. Why should Iran suffer for arab sunnis?

 

[muhammed45]

Lip service? almost all weapons, missiles or anything fired upon Israel came through Iran or Iranian allies.
Iran fought against western impersialism, that's the ideology of Iran. GCC, Jordan is legacy of British impersialism (Hence they commited genocide in Yemen and stopped Iranian missiles from reaching Israel). And now Syria and slowly Lebanon (which you mentioned) are becoming US projects. Israel is the cancer planted in west asia to disrupt, occupy and kill. If sunni Arabs are ok with that (especially GCC, Jordan), let them handle it. Why should Iran suffer for arab sunnis?

What is the problem with supporting oppressed Sunni Muslims?

I haven't forgotten when you unfairly insulted the Sunni caliphs for no reason and interestingly you did it when ISIS attack on Syria was at its peak point. Why?

An other blunder from Pakistani moderators and the so called Iranian moderator is giving people like you the space to speak.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

It was Zardari govt's stupid idea to think Americans were going to ignore the Iran-Pakistan pipeline. When Americans did not ignore, Pakistan had no choice but to back off.
People here sometimes forget economic dependence Pakistan has in America/allies and GCC/allies. But I don't think Pakistanis are blaming Iran for the anything now and vice versa--on the contrary.
Change is the only Constant. I don't dwell too much in the past and that makes me less of a cynic then many here. I keep connecting the dots... and keep refining my understanding of the world based on the new Scatter Charts. And so on...

Spot on, tbh i am very happy to have a friendly neighbour as we are already knee deep in mud with the two of our neighbours and dont want any more headaches

 

[Watandar]

We damn well know this has nothing to do with Israel and its takeover of Palestine because Iran has had no issues with India and its oppression on Kashmir and its Muslims.

In fact Iran voted in the UN for India in the 90s.

Iran was trying to surround Saudi Arabia. Syria, Lebanon, Yemem and attempt on Iraq. They were trying to encircle Saudi Arabia with its proxies.

If Israel didn't challenge this then Iran would never have bothered with Israel and continued to give lip service about Palestinians.

Iran's behavior can remain the same and all its problems can disappear tomorrow, if it makes only one change, and that is accepting Israeli/American hegemony in the Mideast and becoming another of their b*****s.

Lip service is what Pakistan, GCC and everybody else pays to the Palestinians.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Look at the writing of Hamas word. He has used Jewish spelling

yes it a common joke we say to make fun of how Israelis say it

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

What is the problem with supporting oppressed Sunni Muslims?

I haven't forgotten when you unfairly insulted the Sunni caliphs for no reason and interestingly you did it when ISIS attack on Syria was at its peak point. Why?

An other blunder from Pakistani moderators and the so called Iranian moderator is giving people like you the space to speak.

Why should we support sunni arabs while they try to kill us and still claim our territory (Saddam, UAE, Saudi etc) and buy parties/countries to vote against us (Somalia).

We should not fight them, nor should we support them. They are literally working for and with US and Israel. Who are we to support them? We are neither arabs, nor sunnis.

We've done more than enough while being killed and backstabbed. If we support them it should be only in a collective form, else let Greater/Eretz Israel expand into Syria and Jordan, not our problem.

I dont care about any caliphs, be it shia or sunni (they have 0 value for me). We're moving in a direction to put Iran and Iranian interest first.

You have to accept your ideological and cultural defeat inside Iran, after 46 years. Islamic republic was your last resurrection in Iran within the last 1400 years.

 

[muhammed45]

yes it a common joke we say to make fun of how Israelis say it

You don't delete jokes.

 

[atmi_bum]

Khamenei adviser urges joining Saudi-Pakistan defense pact​

I find that odd, but I guess we will see.

 

[Sarhang]

What is the problem with supporting oppressed Sunni Muslims?

Because this isnt the 8th century anymore. Sunnis worldwide actually have their own nations now and those nations are responsible for their well being.


Khameneis cult followers have zero right to meddle in the internal affairs of other countries. And dont pretend you ''forgot'' the dozens of hostile acts against Pakistan including violating Pakistani sovereignty by dragging Pakistani citizens into your proxy wars.


You are honestly lucky Pakistan is letting this slide so easily. And they are doing it only because of the deep Persian cultural and Islamic ties between the two nations otherwise any other country in Pakistans position would have crushed the IR for what it has done.


And its not just Pakistan. Saudi Arabia has also shown incredible restraint. So have almost all Sunni Arab and Muslim countries.


You have no idea how lenient these nations have been with your beloved Islamic Republic.

 

[nahtanbob]

And I forgot to mention Trump's recent warming up to Pakistan--however transitory that may become-- especially compared with Trump's first administration. Then there are also Pakistan and other GCC countries rapidly improving relationships.

Look at 19 countries that constitute the G-20 and ask yourself when was the last time heads of government/state from those countries ever showed up in Pakistan

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

They don't have a choice, Israel are breathing down their necks.

We know they have used Pakistanis for their proxy wars and turned a blind eye to BLA in the hope they would collapse Pakistan through collaboration with India.

Pakistan forgiving and merciful as always.

The sooner muslim world realize Pakistan is only islamic country who's existence is guaranteed till qayamat the better it will be for them. Iran after taking a beating from Israel is coming to their senses and we should welcome it.

 

[PK781]

it is becoming increasingly important for the countries in the region to band together, due to our shared islamic religion, traditions and alot of mixed culture. It makes things easier, and its the obvious natural path for these islamic countries.
The new order and blocks are being formed and its important for both Iran and Pakistan to be on the right side of things, for a shared region and future.

Regardless of geopolitics, our collective SAFETY lies in these countries working together and not against one another, no matter what sect we happen to be born in. We are all basically the same, very similar.
The people in both countries (Pakistan and Iran) care about each other and it is always a concern when one is attacked by other enemies.
When Pakistan was under attack by india, i'm sure the Iranian people prayed for Pakistan, and similarly Pakistanis were cheering for Iranian defenses and missiles when it was hitting the zionists.

I hope these meetings lead to even more cooperation and further improvement in the workings between our 2 nations.

Pakistan and Iran, both Zindabad.