Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Rational Philosopher]

1. Keep developing the Fatah series of tactical missiles, make it go up to at least 1500KM or 2000KM range with 500kg warhead. — It's our version of Russian Iskander. Terminal evasive maneuverability is key. This allows for conventional strikes anywhere deep into India.

2. But we will still need a HGV (hypersonic glide vehicle) solution soon, especially going into the future for survivability against high value targets. (Something like the DF-17)

3. Localised production of a Chinese supersonic cruise missile solution, evolution and optimisation for land-attack role. (YJ-12/CM-302?)

4. Continue researching and developing more advanced solid-feul motor tech locally to achieve more efficient, wider diameter missiles. This can be used for both our strategic nuclear missiles too, paired with Ababeel MIRV.

 

[falcon34]

Fattah is battlefield MLRS nothing more than that with large CEP it has no role for precision strikes it can support forces in an offensive on land nothing more than that. If fattah 4 is really 700km+ may be it can do precision strikes but its in development. No point making it in numbers in limited conflict its has no role infact because there was no fight on land apart from artillery fire. PA, PAF, PN needs a supersonic cruise missile like brahmos, yj 12 and ballistic missile marv like iran have cheap. Cruise missile is a must need for precision strikes on their air bases. And ballistics missile for SEAD roles and DEAD too

Your being paranoid, F2 is a missile, even F1 is a missile, have you seen their test footage, the CEP is less than 5m, we destroyed their C&C of their airbases, anyone can crater the runways, disabling a runway for weeks is the real Art, Noor Khan was immediately brought back into action, The actual action during this round was Non-kinetic, you'll hear about in a few months, all I can say India's Nuclear Architecture, C&C and communication protocols have been thoroughly fked through non kinetic means and the final nail in the coffin was destruction of critical C&C of Indian bases, their runways and aircraft being intact were rendered useless due critical kinetic targeting

 

[gamaji]

ok..so Fattah 2 GMRLS has a 365kg warhead unitary or blast fragmented warhead

but those fired were intercepted by S400 SAM System since they cannot perform evasive maneuvers.

No, not really. Watch the second video in the latest tweet from GIDS.

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[Great Mal]

Everyone keeps iterating the same notion of ‘We don't have a Brahmos like missile hence we couldn’t achieve anything in retaliation’ The problem we currently have with our institutions is that we take the enemy's capabilities too lightly.

Many old timers have been saying that Brahmos is a deadly missile, not because of its speed (which partly is the reason) but because India has amassed enough missiles to effectively launch them in massive barrages.

Which we have found out, the hard way, is quite a challenge for a country like Pakistan.

Again, the main point is Pakistan has not built a credible conventional inventory or stockpile of munitions/missiles which it could answer back with. Hence we see army resorting to Fatah 1 & some volleys of Fatah 2.

The fault is not ‘we dont have Brahmos like missile,’ the fault is we don't have a proper conventional missile inventory, most of our Babur & Raad missiles are limited to Nuclear deterrence. We have virtually nothing in terms of conventional missiles we can answer with.


Hopefully the babus at GHQ realise this and start developing either chinese missiles or rework own missiles like the SMASH or Babur & Raad into conventional missiles that MUST be both air & ground launched plus the minimum range should be at least 700km.


Investing further into conventional Ballistic missiles that are 900km - 1800km isn’t a bad idea either.

Now is the time to build CONVENTIONAL deterrence.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Everyone keeps iterating the same notion of ‘We don't have a Brahmos like missile hence we couldn’t achieve anything in retaliation’ The problem we currently have with our institutions is that we take the enemy's capabilities too lightly.

Many old timers have been saying that Brahmos is a deadly missile, not because of its speed (which partly is the reason) but because India has amassed enough missiles to effectively launch them in massive barrages.

Which we have found out, the hard way, is quite a challenge for a country like Pakistan.

Again, the main point is Pakistan has not built a credible conventional inventory or stockpile of munitions/missiles which it could answer back with. Hence we see army resorting to Fatah 1 & some volleys of Fatah 2.

The fault is not ‘we dont have Brahmos like missile,’ the fault is we don't have a proper conventional missile inventory, most of our Babur & Raad missiles are limited to Nuclear deterrence. We have virtually nothing in terms of conventional missiles we can answer with.


Hopefully the babus at GHQ realise this and start developing either chinese missiles or rework own missiles like the SMASH or Babur & Raad into conventional missiles that MUST be both air & ground launched plus the minimum range should be at least 700km.


Investing further into conventional Ballistic missiles that are 900km - 1800km isn’t a bad idea either.

Now is the time to build CONVENTIONAL deterrence.

The massive conventional Iranian missile inventory is what is stopping the israelis from attacking Iran. Pakistan must achieve the same. Pakistan IS capable of doing this.

 

[CombatCorner]

 

[falcon34]

Everyone keeps iterating the same notion of ‘We don't have a Brahmos like missile hence we couldn’t achieve anything in retaliation’ The problem we currently have with our institutions is that we take the enemy's capabilities too lightly.

Many old timers have been saying that Brahmos is a deadly missile, not because of its speed (which partly is the reason) but because India has amassed enough missiles to effectively launch them in massive barrages.

Which we have found out, the hard way, is quite a challenge for a country like Pakistan.

Again, the main point is Pakistan has not built a credible conventional inventory or stockpile of munitions/missiles which it could answer back with. Hence we see army resorting to Fatah 1 & some volleys of Fatah 2.

The fault is not ‘we dont have Brahmos like missile,’ the fault is we don't have a proper conventional missile inventory, most of our Babur & Raad missiles are limited to Nuclear deterrence. We have virtually nothing in terms of conventional missiles we can answer with.


Hopefully the babus at GHQ realise this and start developing either chinese missiles or rework own missiles like the SMASH or Babur & Raad into conventional missiles that MUST be both air & ground launched plus the minimum range should be at least 700km.


Investing further into conventional Ballistic missiles that are 900km - 1800km isn’t a bad idea either.

Now is the time to build CONVENTIONAL deterrence.

The numbers for F series of missiles are there, but there isn't any will to fire them, screw their restraint

Babur has added a deadly dimension to the battlefield

In operational terms, cruise missiles are better suited than ballistic missiles for use with conventional warheads as their accuracy is far better.

forceindia.net

This from an Indian analyst.
There are ample numbers of conventional Babur and Raad in service.
But the will to fire them is not their what we lack is a medium range conventional BM.
Hopefully this round will knock some sense into GHQ

 

[falcon34]

Pakistan is really ramping up, we need another 5-10 years

Blaze series
Sarkash drones
Fatah series
FAAZ 1/2
Navy and subs expansion and all kitted out
J35s
pFX


Things are in the works, that would make attacking Pakistan a deadly mistake for anyone

Some people here fail to understand how much of an devastating impact Blaze and Sarkash will have, They provided three times the range with the fraction of a cost for any guided missiles.
F series will be good numbers but the real damage will be done by Sarkash and blaze.
Take for example a 1000 blaze and Sarkash are launched in a single volley back by EW, they alone will be able to knock out Indian bases in northern and central India, F series will be shock and awe weapon, quick, precise and destructive. We don't need barhamos types we need Medium range F missiles and insane amount of Sarkash and blaze munitions. Next round will center around these.

 

[Protagoras]

Rahul Gandhi again.

Notice the question framed by him again. Its not if they lost any aircrafts but how many.

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[Bentley777]

Everyone keeps iterating the same notion of ‘We don't have a Brahmos like missile hence we couldn’t achieve anything in retaliation’ The problem we currently have with our institutions is that we take the enemy's capabilities too lightly.

Many old timers have been saying that Brahmos is a deadly missile, not because of its speed (which partly is the reason) but because India has amassed enough missiles to effectively launch them in massive barrages.

Which we have found out, the hard way, is quite a challenge for a country like Pakistan.

Again, the main point is Pakistan has not built a credible conventional inventory or stockpile of munitions/missiles which it could answer back with. Hence we see army resorting to Fatah 1 & some volleys of Fatah 2.

The fault is not ‘we dont have Brahmos like missile,’ the fault is we don't have a proper conventional missile inventory, most of our Babur & Raad missiles are limited to Nuclear deterrence. We have virtually nothing in terms of conventional missiles we can answer with.


Hopefully the babus at GHQ realise this and start developing either chinese missiles or rework own missiles like the SMASH or Babur & Raad into conventional missiles that MUST be both air & ground launched plus the minimum range should be at least 700km.


Investing further into conventional Ballistic missiles that are 900km - 1800km isn’t a bad idea either.

Now is the time to build CONVENTIONAL deterrence.

Exactly that was the point no conventional missile inventory we have. We should takes notes from iran.

 

[Bentley777]

Your being paranoid, F2 is a missile, even F1 is a missile, have you seen their test footage, the CEP is less than 5m, we destroyed their C&C of their airbases, anyone can crater the runways, disabling a runway for weeks is the real Art, Noor Khan was immediately brought back into action, The actual action during this round was Non-kinetic, you'll hear about in a few months, all I can say India's Nuclear Architecture, C&C and communication protocols have been thoroughly fked through non kinetic means and the final nail in the coffin was destruction of critical C&C of Indian bases, their runways and aircraft being intact were rendered useless due critical kinetic targeting

Bro we are different from jeets they have the habit of claiming 100% percent success and having no loss bollywood fantasy.there is no shame in admitting we found weaknesses in our conventional missiles inventory and should be resolved so it does not happen again or be better next time. Kinetic action against there nuclear architecture sounds absurd liked they claim of kirana hills when you don't have a evidence which is irrefutable than world can acknowledge its goods for psyops only.

 

[Falcon26]

In today’s advanced air defense environment, any missile that follows a ballistic trajectory is in an inherent disadvantage.

Pakistan must focus on next generation hypersonic missile and those that can take credible evasive actions.

 

[falcon34]

Bro we are different from jeets they have the habit of claiming 100% percent success and having no loss bollywood fantasy.there is no shame in admitting we found weaknesses in our conventional missiles inventory and should be resolved so it does not happen again or be better next time. Kinetic action against there nuclear architecture sounds absurd liked they claim of kirana hills when you don't have a evidence which is irrefutable than world can acknowledge its goods for psyops only.

Bro your gonna take words of these incompetent jeets that they intercepted F1s

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To this day and time they haven't been able to provide us with any debris of F1s missiles so where they went???.
The fact of the matter is C&C if those bases were targeted not runways hence the Indians said loss of personal at bhuj, pathankot, Adampur and udhampur, If the jeets are acknowledging they were hit at these places it's but safe to assume all 26 targets were thoroughly screwed in one way or the other, rest I leave it to you to ponder.

 

[falcon34]

@Oscar
What would be the unit cost of Shaheen series of missiles?.

 

[Watandar]

The massive conventional Iranian missile inventory is what is stopping the israelis from attacking Iran. Pakistan must achieve the same. Pakistan IS capable of doing this.

Pakistan is only capable of doing it if its economy grows and that growth is taxed and spent appropriately. We don't have mineral resources to sell.

Someone make the establishment understand that political stability and economic growth is what the country really really needs.