Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Hassan007]

What the hell is the long range precision munition. Ive heard no mention of it before.

Exactly that's what I am interested it. Maybe its similar to US PrSM HIMARS
Nevertheless we gonna see it on Aug 14th.

 

[kimjongun]

its a ramjet but the likelihood is its all built under license in pakistan

ramjets are hard to build man , not trying to downplay but do we have actual proof of it being built in Pak?

 

[Toxic]

What the hell is the long range precision munition. Ive heard no mention of it before.

Some sort of guided shell you can see the fins

 

[kimjongun]

Exactly that's what I am interested it. Maybe its similar to US PrSM HIMARS
Nevertheless we gonna see it on Aug 14th.

its a guided artillery shell

 

[NA71]

Now what is going to be revealed on August 14th parade...as a glimpse power ? As DG said today?

 

[puttputt]

Basically this, You have 4 distinct missiles which are nothing alike but are part of the Same series.

BTW the original F1 and F2 made no sense either it was named so because babus wanted to pretend a TBM like F2 was a GMLRS.

What if they make a upgraded variant of the F1 what will it be called? F1+? What if they make a another variant after that? Fatah 1 ++

Yep, and what gets me is that these guys love to try their hand at marketing and naming stuff, they could've literally just thrown in some new names:

Fatah = GMLRS (300 mm)
Zabah = SSM/TBM (600 mm) (aka Fatah-2)
Siyah = SSCM (aka Fatah-3)
Harbah-L = GLCM (aka Fatah-4)

there is like a very very small posibility of it being manufactured in Pakistan , it has a scramjet which even our neighbours orders from russia...so its just an export fo the HD1A

It'd be a ramjet. That said, there's a decent (if unlikely) chance that China did transfer the tech to manufacture everything as it is. The issue for Pak was developing such a missile because we lack the necessary instrumentation, testing, and other facilities for supersonic or hypersonic applications. But manufacturing an existing design as-is should be doable if the Chinese offer the know-how.

If Pak got the tech transfer for HD-1A, then I'd also expect HD-1C for the JF-17C to carry.

 

[Samurai]

Not quite the Same, the newer kornet variants use beam riding which means the operator has to maintain guidance on the target which while more effective then wire guidence is not fire and forgot.

While the BS FF has optical seeker on the missile which means the operator doesn't have to maintain lock on the target after launch.

Right and I was just googling and found that Rafael's SPIKE LR2 ATGM is also 5th Gen and EO guided, so that makes the new Baktar Shikan on the same level... Nice.

 

[Abid123]

Because Turkish generals actually do what they are supposed to do, unlike Pakistani generals. Pakistani generals are focused on planning DHA's, new golf courses and arresting PTI members.

@Hassan007 You can give "thumbs down", reality does not change.

 

[Toxic]

Right and I was just googling and found that Rafael's SPIKE LR2 ATGM is also 5th Gen and EO guided, so that makes the new Baktar Shikan on the same level... Nice.
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Eh not quite, I am not sure the BS FF has a top attack mode which is what makes ATGMs like the Javelin or Spike so deadly.

 

[rafale]

i wouldnt say it was a leak , agencies know what the adversary is getting and tested so...

really? I doubt that. Clearly they failed to know which PL15 Pakistan had...........

 

[Toxic]

really? I doubt that. Clearly they failed to know which PL15 Pakistan had...........

I am 90% sure that was just cope on their part, no intelligence agency is going to take figures given at Arms show at face value

Yep, and what gets me is that these guys love to try their hand at marketing and naming stuff, they could've literally just thrown in some new names:

Fatah = GMLRS (300 mm)
Zabah = SSM/TBM (600 mm) (aka Fatah-2)
Siyah = SSCM (aka Fatah-3)
Harbah-L = GLCM (aka Fatah-4)


It'd be a ramjet. That said, there's a decent (if unlikely) chance that China did transfer the tech to manufacture everything as it is. The issue for Pak was developing such a missile because we lack the necessary instrumentation, testing, and other facilities for supersonic or hypersonic applications. But manufacturing an existing design as-is should be doable if the Chinese offer the know-how.

If Pak got the tech transfer for HD-1A, then I'd also expect HD-1C for the JF-17C to carry.

Or better yet they could have made FATAH a System like the Himars which could use different missiles.

 

[rafale]

These slow explosions are more destructive than those high speed explosives.
For example RDX explodes at speed of Mach 10 and mach 20 , in between.
Thats the speed of the chemical reaction inside the explosive .
So a missile hitting the target at mach 2, will have nearly 20% of its explosive power becoming directional .
And most of the destruction will be in the direction of missiles motion. More like a shaped charge .
Thats no good when trying to destroy buildings
Here is a picture of Brahmos strike on PAF hanger .
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Its posted by Indians , so I can't guarantee authenticity.

But look at the strewn field., and the damage .
Its very directional

The missile impacts at a shallow angle, travelling at 2 o clock direction.
The damage is mostly towards the road and debris can be seen all the way across the road, and damage to the right hand side of the building. Again correlating with the direction of the motion of the missile.

And that's a problem with supersonic missiles.

Try the same building with a subsonic missile, and an air fuel mixture munitions, or any . The explosion will have all around effects, not in just one direction.

This one.......at Bholari.......did they actually target it at that corner or simply the missile inaccuracy caused it to hit offcenter? clearly big part of hanger is standing.

Were they targeting specific section because of intelligence they had what was underneath or they just fired a wolly expecting to hit anywhere?

I mean, if they targeted center of the hanger, damage would have been substantial and probably the SAAB2000 underneath it written off..........but these are important questions. Missile accuracy or deliberate targeting in that part of hanger?

Similar at Shahbaz air base hanger....that too was left standing and hit off center.

 

[Ak01]

really? I doubt that. Clearly they failed to know which PL15 Pakistan had...........

this is an assumption on our part.

i dont think this is at all the case. Nobody is retarded enough to believe placards for weapons data. Why would OEMs publish stuff like this. Also range numbers arent absolute and depend on variety of factors, i dont think in reality this range or export etc numbers stuff is even in the slightest true, its just an explanation we've made up. Same goes for Awacs guiding PL-15s when we know the PAF does not have a capability like this

 

[rafale]

They've quoted the export range

Whenever someone mentions export range for Pakistani missiles....it makes me giggle...... ......and Indians panic.

 

[rafale]

this is an assumption on our part.

i dont think this is at all the case. Nobody is retarded enough to believe placards for weapons data. Why would OEMs publish stuff like this. Also range numbers arent absolute and depend on variety of factors, i dont think in reality this range or export etc numbers stuff is even in the slightest true, its just an explanation we've made up. Same goes for Awacs guiding PL-15s when we know the PAF does not have a capability like this

The opposite of what you are saying, then implies that Indians knew the true range of PL15.......i highly doubt that, because how can you plan your strikes within the confirm kill radius of PAF missiles/launch aircraft?

So even if they had the intelligence, clearly they lacked the human intelligence to analyze.....i am pretty sure they didn't know the 200km range of PL15................no matter how hard one tries to critique.

Secondly, unless complete guidance all the way to target is needed, you actually don't need native data link from AWACS.

PL15 is flying for what 200 km? It can launch based off the initial target data from plethora of sources....gorund based radars/awacs or onboard launch aircraft radar. Once on its way, it needs basic, periodic guidance.

Which is what has been narrated or implied by PAF...........