Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Pakistan First]

We should be able to launch IRBMs from our western Balochistan and attack Israel if we are attacked. This is why I asked about our Shaheen 3 inventory bhai.

If we can't launch hundreds of Shaheen 3's at Israel from our territory, consider it as capitulation then!

PAF is a joke in todays world man. Its only a third world India specific force no?

Lets get real man.

If we can't attack/ retaliate like how these Irani/ turani are fighting back......forget about it no?

IRBMs is a very bad strategy for target that far. Each IRBM costs millions of dollars. Also, We got more than twice the distance between us and Israel Versus the distance between Iran and Israel. So using BMs is totally stupid for conventional hits at that large distance. Its like wasting a million dollar equipment and that too can be intercepted. You need to understand what an IRBM is. Its a 20 meters high (like 4 to 5 storey high building). Its almost a space rocket. Why you make it so big? Because it needs to contain a lot of fuel. 95% of the weight is only fuel that gets burned bringing the missile outside the atmosphere. All this just to deliver a single warhead to a target where enemy is already ready to intercept it. As IRBM is the first thing that gets detected due to massive altitude it attains. Its plain stupidity to do it for conventional targets. Iran couldn't use the airforce as it didn't had one.

Iranian attacks may be okay against Bahrain and Kuwait, but those have not achieved any major success over Israel. Israeli airbases are fully functional, their leadership not harmed, nuclear sites not harmed. Nothing major happened. Its only social media hu ha that Iran did something. It didn't.

To do sustained strikes over time you need modern airforce. PAF is undoubtedly solid. Supposedly if we receive J-35 then it would make it really lethal. Air refueling over Iran and dropping stand off weapons from the edge of Iraq is our best bet in any military conflict with Israel.

 

[Pakistan First]

@Lulldapull

Why is that Iran is unable to destroy a single US naval warship, any destroyer that are lurking at striking distance from Iran's coast ?

You always say its a good strategy to have only ballistic missiles and no airforce , No deep water modern attack submarines and no other capability. See today US / Israel can hit Iran any time they want. For last few days, US is literally pounding Iran and Iran in unable to do anything except re-attacking same Kuwait and Bahrain which are closest neighbors and everyone knows US do not have its forces anymore in those bases.

Question is, if only Ballistic missiles / coastal anti-ship missiles is such a great strategy then why on earth its unable to destroy a single warship of US Navy ? and Why Iran is unable to deter US to keep pounding Iran all the time ? US just come whenever it wants and slap Iran whenever it likes. It can fly over Tehran uncontested.

I think you know the hard reality that Iran is not a technological power. Its heavily sanctioned country with very mediocre technology and thus only relies on old fashion BMs out of necessity. Iran's greatest strength is its geography through which it can choke global fuel & trade sea lane. So its time you stop lecturing many times more modern militaries like Turkey or nuclear power Pakistan by giving them example of Iran.

Bottomline is the military MUST be balanced. Air POWER is the most CRITICAL element of modern warfare. if you leave gaps or weaknesses in any domain of warfare then enemy will exploit those areas and will punish you through those.

 

[Oscar]

@Lulldapull

Why is that Iran is unable to destroy a single US naval warship, any destroyer that are lurking at striking distance from Iran's coast ?

You always say its a good strategy to have only ballistic missiles and no airforce , No deep water modern attack submarines and no other capability. See today US / Israel can hit Iran any time they want. For last few days, US is literally pounding Iran and Iran in unable to do anything except re-attacking same Kuwait and Bahrain which are closest neighbors and everyone knows US do not have its forces anymore in those bases.

Question is, if only Ballistic missiles / coastal anti-ship missiles is such a great strategy then why on earth its unable to destroy a single warship of US Navy ? and Why Iran is unable to deter US to keep pounding Iran all the time ? US just come whenever it wants and slap Iran whenever it likes. It can fly over Tehran uncontested.

I think you know the hard reality that Iran is not a technological power. Its heavily sanctioned country with very mediocre technology and thus only relies on old fashion BMs out of necessity. Iran's greatest strength is its geography through which it can choke global fuel & trade sea lane. So its time you stop lecturing many times more modern militaries like Turkey or nuclear power Pakistan by giving them example of Iran.

Bottomline is the military MUST be balanced. Air POWER is the most CRITICAL element of modern warfare. if you leave gaps or weaknesses in any domain of warfare then enemy will exploit those areas and will punish you through those.

Because Iran has both been half baked in its capabilities AND AsBMs require precise real time target updates which Iran simply could not deploy in time. Even if it did the amount of EW and lack of Iran to have communication between its “sensors”(including Mk1 eyeball) and launch systems means it would launch against nothing.

 

[Psyko70]

PAF is good and it can do more damage then Iran is doing without its airforce. I dont believe Iranian missile salvos are doing much damage then an airforce would do. But I like Iranian bravery for hitting all those slaves and Israel.

Ballistic missiles are really expensive that is established fact here in forum we may not have more than 120 nukes and conventional systems like Babur or Taimoor also in 100 or less. But I believe its a lie and no one can know even senior military persons might not know except who manufacture them in military. To hide real numbers a structure is made that changes cycles to maintain data hidden.

Only top tier level officer knows it probably on "Need to know" basis. Plus, I dont believe any member here is top tier level. They dont have time for forums. So here in forum the established fact is a guess.

In all militaries this is strategized. In WW2 Wehrmacht forces didnt know exact number of V2 ready to fire.

Pakistan uses low cost fatah and will make variants of it with better accuracy and range. As per my knowledge the way ballistic missile accurately or almost accurately targets long range targets can now be answered with alternatives with less accuracy in long range but sub 500km it has good range.

Also in may 25 war our rockets or missile did reach Indian bases in high AA defense environments otherwise sudden ceasefire wont be possible.

Pakistan if makes Israel priority it can design missiles then. Plus most of ballistic missiles of Iran are shot down at end of ballistic trajectory and I have read multiple times Nuclear Missiles can be detonated at high altitude for EMP effect in exchange for high physical destruction.

 

[SD 10]

PAF is good and it can do more damage then Iran is doing without its airforce. I dont believe Iranian missile salvos are doing much damage then an airforce would do. But I like Iranian bravery for hitting all those slaves and Israel.

Ballistic missiles are really expensive that is established fact here in forum we may not have more than 120 nukes and conventional systems like Babur or Taimoor also in 100 or less. But I believe its a lie and no one can know even senior military persons might not know except who manufacture them in military. To hide real numbers a structure is made that changes cycles to maintain data hidden.

Only top tier level officer knows it probably on "Need to know" basis. Plus, I dont believe any member here is top tier level. They dont have time for forums. So here in forum the established fact is a guess.

In all militaries this is strategized. In WW2 Wehrmacht forces didnt know exact number of V2 ready to fire.

Pakistan uses low cost fatah and will make variants of it with better accuracy and range. As per my knowledge the way ballistic missile accurately or almost accurately targets long range targets can now be answered with alternatives with less accuracy in long range but sub 500km it has good range.

Also in may 25 war our rockets or missile did reach Indian bases in high AA defense environments otherwise sudden ceasefire wont be possible.

Pakistan if makes Israel priority it can design missiles then. Plus most of ballistic missiles of Iran are shot down at end of ballistic trajectory and I have read multiple times Nuclear Missiles can be detonated at high altitude for EMP effect in exchange for high physical destruction.

do you think paf will last more than a day if israel came for us?

 

[ACE OF HEARTS]

Priority should be to sanitise the enemy's 1000 km land area from Pakistan's land border, in less than 2 hours.

 

[Psyko70]

do you think paf will last more than a day if israel came for us?

I think Pakistan will last longer than that.

What do you think though ? Pakistan will surrender in first hour ?

 

[SD 10]

I think Pakistan will last longer than that.

What do you think though ? Pakistan will surrender in first hour ?

In my opinion. Uncle sam will come with israel and we wont do anything

 

[Psyko70]

In my opinion. Uncle sam will come with israel and we wont do anything

A widely held belief among Pakistanis.

 

[Pakistan First]

do you think paf will last more than a day if israel came for us?

lol! what do you mean? A silly statement or just bad humor. Even if Israeli airforce is multiplied by 10 even then it's not possible whatever you said. PAF is not a cakewalk for any airforce of the world. Its not a child play to shoot down so many fighter jets armed with long sticks (longest in the region) backed with AWACS, EW systems. Also mind if Pakistan ever gets into such war, PAF would procure crazy number of J-10s, pl-15s and J-35s there's no question about it on top of it's already significant capabilities.

First of all Israel and Pakistan aren't going into war. Israel is not stupid to make more enemies and that too with nuclear state. The tiny state will be in existential crisis to create more security challenges for itself then it can handle.

Secondly, PAF has combat experience of modern BVR battle with multiple squadrons airborne at both ends. Israel has never faced an opponent with a capable airforce since half a century. There is not going to be a air to air combat between two anyways. In hypothetical scenario, PAF package can go and bomb Israel (Air-refueling over Iran and flying till edge of Iraq, dropping ABMs or ALCMs and return). Same thing Israel can do but with greater risks as its aircrafts would be flying over Iran before releasing payload and if they are shot over Iran they are over hostile territory. Using india as a base is not acceptable as then it will become an existential war for us and risks of nuclear war would increase dramatically.