Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

A good option to have , however I feel demo is not necessary just use it when emergency arises

The stuff we have is already quite enough

It would be an overkills to Demo , Aircraft carrier Killer
The fact we have it is enough deterrence

We do need a volunteer Air Craft Carrier near by to do demo , we don't have one near by so we can't do the demo

 

[falcon34]

Is it a hypersonic cruise missile or a ballistic missile?

Infrastructure doesn't exist for that.
HGVs are much cheaper compared to HCM.
P282 would be more like Iranian Fattah missile, RV with an additional liquid fuel stage for powered gliding.
We lack hypersonic wind tunnels.
At least as much as we know about Pakistans wind tunnels. Could be we have some secret labs but no info is available in open source domain about them

 

[Great Mal]

This thread is starting to make more sense after the recent conflict with India.

Pakistan has no answer to the conventional inventory of Air & ground launched conventional missiles the Indian army/air force has accumulated i.e Brahmos (both air & ground launch 500km + range) Paralay (Ground launched ballistic missile with a large conventional payload, range 500km)

It is starting to make sense why Pakistan did not retaliate with Babur, Raad 2. These are purely kept for non conventional, i.e nuclear strikes.

So the next best thing they could do was shoot Fatah 1 & 2 both respectively ranging from 140km to 400km range. But this is not enough neither is or will be a deterrent to ward off more Brahmos/Indian conventional firepower salvos.

Time we start taking things seriously & either develop or take missiles from China that you can rework to fit your needs:

500km-1200km supersonic & subsonic CONVENTIONAL missiles, with both air & ground launch capabilities.

800km-1500km conventional ballistic missile inventory enough to deter Indian miscalculations deep inside India.

This should be a clear no bullshit cut plan for Pakistan military.

 

[Bentley777]

This thread is starting to make more sense after the recent conflict with India.

Pakistan has no answer to the conventional inventory of Air & ground launched conventional missiles the Indian army/air force has accumulated i.e Brahmos (both air & ground launch 500km + range) Paralay (Ground launched ballistic missile with a large conventional payload, range 500km)

It is starting to make sense why Pakistan did not retaliate with Babur, Raad 2. These are purely kept for non conventional, i.e nuclear strikes.

So the next best thing they could do was shoot Fatah 1 & 2 both respectively ranging from 140km to 400km range. But this is not enough neither is or will be a deterrent to ward off more Brahmos/Indian conventional firepower salvos.

Time we start taking things seriously & either develop or take missiles from China that you can rework to fit your needs:

500km-1200km supersonic & subsonic CONVENTIONAL missiles, with both air & ground launch capabilities.

800km-1500km conventional ballistic missile inventory enough to deter Indian miscalculations deep inside India.

This should be a clear no bullshit cut plan for Pakistan military.

We have been caught with limitations which were created by us by not deciding to make a supersonic cruise missile used by all services PA, PAF, PN. Hope this has alarmed bell for us and we make something in numbers for conventional role.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

If this conflict has taught us something, it's that Pakistan needs more conventional tactical missiles — both cruise & ballistic.

We needed a true supersonic cruise capable long-range one to reliably hit targets deep into India. And look into highly manoeuvrable high-speed ballistics.

Also our strategic missiles need improving too.

 

[MS Sandhu]

This thread is starting to make more sense after the recent conflict with India.

Pakistan has no answer to the conventional inventory of Air & ground launched conventional missiles the Indian army/air force has accumulated i.e Brahmos (both air & ground launch 500km + range) Paralay (Ground launched ballistic missile with a large conventional payload, range 500km)

It is starting to make sense why Pakistan did not retaliate with Babur, Raad 2. These are purely kept for non conventional, i.e nuclear strikes.

So the next best thing they could do was shoot Fatah 1 & 2 both respectively ranging from 140km to 400km range. But this is not enough neither is or will be a deterrent to ward off more Brahmos/Indian conventional firepower salvos.

Time we start taking things seriously & either develop or take missiles from China that you can rework to fit your needs:

500km-1200km supersonic & subsonic CONVENTIONAL missiles, with both air & ground launch capabilities.

800km-1500km conventional ballistic missile inventory enough to deter Indian miscalculations deep inside India.

This should be a clear no bullshit cut plan for Pakistan military.

Pakistan is coming towards this
F1 & 2 are clear indication
But problem is
We are late into this game

 

[Great Mal]

Pakistan is coming towards this
F1 & 2 are clear indication
But problem is
We are late into this game

Fatah 1 & 2 are magnified artillery rockets they dont replace conventional cruise missiles or ballistic missiles.

We currently have no proper conventional missile inventory a big worry, for an nuclear armed nation which lacks strategic depth.

When will the stupid babus at GHQ will realise that defence is not the best offence.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

1. No Supersonic Cruise Missile Capability

India operates the BrahMos, a Mach 2.8–3 capable cruise missile deployed on land, sea, and aircraft.

Pakistan relies on subsonic cruise missiles (Babur, Ra’ad), which are significantly slower and more vulnerable to interception.

Impact: Pakistan lacks a fast, hard-to-intercept precision strike option for high-value or time-sensitive targets.


2. No Hypersonic Weapons Program (Publicly Known)

India has tested the HSTDV (Hypersonic Technology Demonstrator Vehicle) and is developing BrahMos-II (Mach 7+).

No equivalent hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV) or cruise system has been revealed by Pakistan.

Impact: Falling behind in next-generation missile survivability and penetration capabilities against advanced air defenses.


3. No Operational MIRV Deployment

India is field-testing MIRVs (Multiple Independently Targetable Reentry Vehicles) on Agni-P and Agni-V.

Pakistan has revealed the Ababeel missile as MIRV-capable, but it’s still undergoing tests with no deployment confirmed.

Impact: Reduced warhead delivery efficiency and penetrative capability versus India’s maturing counterforce potential.


4. No Large Solid-Fuel IRBM/SLV-Class Missile

India has developed large-diameter solid-fuel missiles like Agni-IV/V/VI and the GSLV/PSLV for satellite and missile R&D.

Pakistan’s solid-fuel missile infrastructure is more limited in scale and payload capacity.

Impact: Technological gap in materials, propulsion, and dual-use space/missile capabilities that could impact missile versatility and range extension.


5. Extremely limited range of modern tactical missile options to use conventionally

Aside from the cruising BrahMos, India has an arsenal of tactical ballistic missiles with very high accuracy (CEP) and maneuverability (MaRV) like the Pralay series.

Pakistan's missile technology is more dated, with lesser maneuverability & accuracy and focused more on strategic nuclear roles. The Fatah series indicates a step in the right direction to remedy this.

Impact: Limits Pakistan’s ability to respond conventionally with the use of modern tactical battlefield missiles against India.


6. No Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missiles (SLBMs)

India has operational K-15 (750 km) and K-4 (3,500 km) SLBMs on Arihant-class SSBNs.

Pakistan’s Babur-III is a submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCM) with ~450 km range, launched from a diesel-electric sub, not an SSBN.

Impact: Pakistan lacks a credible second-strike capability based on survivable platforms like SSBNs with SLBMs.

7. No Nuclear-Powered Submarines (SSBNs/SSNs)

India has one operational nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) and others under construction.

Pakistan operates diesel-electric submarines, with no publicly acknowledged nuclear sub program.

Impact: Limits survivability and endurance of Pakistan's underwater deterrent forces; cannot match India’s growing sea-based deterrent.

@FuturePAF @PakShaheen_79 @Great Mal @Bentley777

 

[PakShaheen_79]

This thread is starting to make more sense after the recent conflict with India.

Pakistan has no answer to the conventional inventory of Air & ground launched conventional missiles the Indian army/air force has accumulated i.e Brahmos (both air & ground launch 500km + range) Paralay (Ground launched ballistic missile with a large conventional payload, range 500km)

It is starting to make sense why Pakistan did not retaliate with Babur, Raad 2. These are purely kept for non conventional, i.e nuclear strikes.

So the next best thing they could do was shoot Fatah 1 & 2 both respectively ranging from 140km to 400km range. But this is not enough neither is or will be a deterrent to ward off more Brahmos/Indian conventional firepower salvos.

Time we start taking things seriously & either develop or take missiles from China that you can rework to fit your needs:

500km-1200km supersonic & subsonic CONVENTIONAL missiles, with both air & ground launch capabilities.

800km-1500km conventional ballistic missile inventory enough to deter Indian miscalculations deep inside India.

This should be a clear no bullshit cut plan for Pakistan military.

All of this coupled with aggressive pre-emptive strike mindset in we have credible intel about imminent Indian missile strike.

 

[Dalit]

This thread is starting to make more sense after the recent conflict with India.

Pakistan has no answer to the conventional inventory of Air & ground launched conventional missiles the Indian army/air force has accumulated i.e Brahmos (both air & ground launch 500km + range) Paralay (Ground launched ballistic missile with a large conventional payload, range 500km)

It is starting to make sense why Pakistan did not retaliate with Babur, Raad 2. These are purely kept for non conventional, i.e nuclear strikes.

So the next best thing they could do was shoot Fatah 1 & 2 both respectively ranging from 140km to 400km range. But this is not enough neither is or will be a deterrent to ward off more Brahmos/Indian conventional firepower salvos.

Time we start taking things seriously & either develop or take missiles from China that you can rework to fit your needs:

500km-1200km supersonic & subsonic CONVENTIONAL missiles, with both air & ground launch capabilities.

800km-1500km conventional ballistic missile inventory enough to deter Indian miscalculations deep inside India.

This should be a clear no bullshit cut plan for Pakistan military.

Before the confrontation with India, I was one of the few trying to highlight the importance of missile development in Pakistan. Everyone was asleep. Some members pointed out that money was an issue. I knew that the moment the Americans complained about Pakistan's intentions to develop long range and more powerful missiles, Pakistan had to push forward instead of giving in. Well, after the Indian attack everyone is suddenly wide awake. Unfortunately, it always takes something extreme to wake up Pakistanis.

Pakistan's survival depends on missile development. We need the best of the best. There should be zero compromise. This is not up for debate. Pakistan relies heavily on missiles to deter Hindustan.

 

[Dalit]

1. No Supersonic Cruise Missile Capability

India operates the BrahMos, a Mach 2.8–3 capable cruise missile deployed on land, sea, and aircraft.

Pakistan relies on subsonic cruise missiles (Babur, Ra’ad), which are significantly slower and more vulnerable to interception.

Impact: Pakistan lacks a fast, hard-to-intercept precision strike option for high-value or time-sensitive targets.


2. No Hypersonic Weapons Program (Publicly Known)

India has tested the HSTDV (Hypersonic Technology Demonstrator Vehicle) and is developing BrahMos-II (Mach 7+).

No equivalent hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV) or cruise system has been revealed by Pakistan.

Impact: Falling behind in next-generation missile survivability and penetration capabilities against advanced air defenses.


3. No Operational MIRV Deployment

India is field-testing MIRVs (Multiple Independently Targetable Reentry Vehicles) on Agni-P and Agni-V.

Pakistan has revealed the Ababeel missile as MIRV-capable, but it’s still undergoing tests with no deployment confirmed.

Impact: Reduced warhead delivery efficiency and penetrative capability versus India’s maturing counterforce potential.


4. No Large Solid-Fuel IRBM/SLV-Class Missile

India has developed large-diameter solid-fuel missiles like Agni-IV/V/VI and the GSLV/PSLV for satellite and missile R&D.

Pakistan’s solid-fuel missile infrastructure is more limited in scale and payload capacity.

Impact: Technological gap in materials, propulsion, and dual-use space/missile capabilities that could impact missile versatility and range extension.


5. Extremely limited range of modern tactical missile options to use conventionally

Aside from the cruising BrahMos, India has an arsenal of tactical ballistic missiles with very high accuracy (CEP) and maneuverability (MaRV) like the Pralay series.

Pakistan's missile technology is more dated, with lesser maneuverability & accuracy and focused more on strategic nuclear roles. The Fatah series indicates a step in the right direction to remedy this.

Impact: Limits Pakistan’s ability to respond conventionally with the use of modern tactical battlefield missiles against India.


6. No Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missiles (SLBMs)

India has operational K-15 (750 km) and K-4 (3,500 km) SLBMs on Arihant-class SSBNs.

Pakistan’s Babur-III is a submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCM) with ~450 km range, launched from a diesel-electric sub, not an SSBN.

Impact: Pakistan lacks a credible second-strike capability based on survivable platforms like SSBNs with SLBMs.

7. No Nuclear-Powered Submarines (SSBNs/SSNs)

India has one operational nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) and others under construction.

Pakistan operates diesel-electric submarines, with no publicly acknowledged nuclear sub program.

Impact: Limits survivability and endurance of Pakistan's underwater deterrent forces; cannot match India’s growing sea-based deterrent.

@FuturePAF @PakShaheen_79 @Great Mal @Bentley777

Time has also come to consider a handful of nuke subs mated with strong missile capability. This is an absolute necessity.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Before the confrontation with India, I was one of the few trying to highlight the importance of missile development in Pakistan. Everyone was asleep. Some members pointed out that money was an issue. I knew that the moment the Americans complained about Pakistan's intentions to develop long range and more powerful missiles, Pakistan had to push forward instead of giving in. Well, after the Indian attack everyone is suddenly wide awake. Unfortunately, it always takes something extreme to wake up Pakistanis.

Pakistan's survival depends on missile development. We need the best of the best. There should be zero compromise. This is not up for debate. Pakistan relies heavily on missiles to deter Hindustan.

Agree.

Pakistan needs the equivalent of Brahmos that are both difficult to intercept(very high speed),, have a declared "conventional" role/purpose only so that there is no risk of misunderstanding that it is a nuke which is the case with Pakistan's Babur and Ra'ad platforms, so that can wizz about India and hit targets at their will.

The other thing Pakistan needs, is something cheap and chearful like the Shahed 136 to overwhelm Indian AD. This was done by mass imports from Turkey, so the value of such a capability is understood, but there should be a local solution in place aswell for this.

Ballistic missiles are pointless to develop any further than what Pakistan currently has as they can be confused for a nuclear strike, they are very expensive to make and their CEP makes them only useful for large area denial payload.

Pakistan has the CM-400 AKG platform, but it is in limited numbers as it is quite an expensive platform. A local solution would be cheaper to produce and deploy.
Pakistan's engineers that work on its ballistic missiles, should be redirected to supersonic cruise missile, hypersonic missiles, mass produced drones.

 

[Dalit]

Pakistan needs the equivalent of Brahmos that are both difficult to intercept(very high speed),, have a declared "conventional" role/purpose only so that there is no risk of misunderstanding that it is a nuke which is the case with Pakistans Babur and Ra'ad platforms, so that can wizz about India and hit targets at their will.

Absolutely 100%. Pakistan needs to up the ante from this point onwards. India is belligerent and untrustworthy. India is going to attack Pakistan again. Pakistan needs to prepare to the fullest and leave no room for erroneous decisions. Yes, it is going to cost something, but nothing goes beyond the security of a state and nation. Pakistan requires the best possible capabilities to deter Hindustan.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Time has also come to consider a handful of nuke subs mated with strong missile capability. This is an absolute necessity.

In the future perhaps, they do cost a lot. Right now we absolutely need to work on our missile technology which is behind. Supersonic cruise missiles and HGVs, a modern tactical SSM family, and our strategic missiles need credible MIRVs with more advanced solid-fuel tech, wider diameter.

 

[Dalit]

In the future perhaps, they do cost a lot. Right now we absolutely need to work on our missile technology which is behind. Supersonic cruise missiles and HGVs, a modern tactical SSM family, and our strategic missiles need credible MIRVs with more advanced solid-fuel tech, wider diameter.

Agreed. Missile development needs to be boosted manifold.