Pakistan Navy Tests Taimoor Cruise Missile

[Ibbi32]

Is there advantage in holding onto things like Exocets and other older anti ship missiles in Pakistan service as they can help saturate the target while the good stuff can try and get through?

I don’t know if any of the older antiship missiles in Pakistan have any life left, but if they do, then is it worth potentially have NATSP/Kamra integrate them onto the JF17s?

Exocets are basically EOL by this point and theres no real reason to keep mirages in service for that specific capability as for one we have just demonstrated mirages ability to launch something much more advanced. But exocets are unique as they can be used by our helos as well. Sea kings can launch exocet missiles and are potentially very deadly in any potential popup raid on indian coastal shipping for example. Conversely p-3s can launch upto 6x harpoons which may not be very mordern but are still a big threat at the right target

 

[lightning f57]

Just for reference lakshadeep is about 1200 km from Pakistan coast

Our aim should be to be able to hit anything in the Arabian sea and make that area a death zone for any enemy ship whether Indian or other



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IMO need something that can reach Diego Garcia, that makes a good reference point.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Just for reference lakshadeep is about 1200 km from Pakistan coast

Our aim should be to be able to hit anything in the Arabian sea and make that area a death zone for any enemy ship whether Indian or other



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Pakistan needs a berth in Somalia to not only keep an eye but to open up any formation as a blockade is attempted... each protects the other node... and supply lines run through friendly channels in the periphery.
Defense pacts and basing rights are therefore crucial. It also provides a path for Turkish navy both positioned or in transit. The east coast of Africa on peripheral waters of Indian Ocean are in play now that choke points present a real threat to US platforms... where asymmetry is so profound that every engagement is a loss and their is a potential of losing bigger platforms.

Time for those there to claw back... do the right thing and end the client master saga for good. Precious lives and prosperity of the region has been gobbled up managed by the agenda driven under different pretexts and sleights of hand.

 

[Toxic]

How is 5 munitions terrible? They are gonna be dropping sonobouys and torpedos mostly. Iirc Its not gonna be a simple bomb bay but rather crews switching between sonobouys and munitions in the integrated bomb bay. Besides if needed theres more than enough space to put on hard points and haul around 10 tons of munitions

Do you not understand things "Context" I was referring to it being used as bomber because the original comment was about it technically being a bomber

 

[Ibbi32]

Do you not understand things "Context" I was referring to it being used as bomber because the original comment was about it technically being a bomber

It is still technically a bomber and can carry a ton of munitions and is meant to survive a combat environment with its defensive CMs. This is inline with mordern interpretation of a bomber, unless you have a completely different definition. Just because its meant to be used as an MPA which its designed for it doesn’t make it a terrible platform for generally lobbing around munitions wether over land or water, Its still perfectly capable of using a wide variety of munitions.

 

[Toxic]

It is still technically a bomber and can carry a ton of munitions and is meant to survive a combat environment with its defensive CMs. This is inline with mordern interpretation of a bomber, unless you have a completely different definition. Just because its meant to be used as an MPA which its designed for it doesn’t make it a terrible platform for generally lobbing around munitions wether over land or water, Its still perfectly capable of using a wide variety of munitions.

Use a F-16 ATP it can carry twice the bombs

 

[Ibbi32]

Use a F-16 ATP it can carry twice the bombs

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I literally told you how they can put hard points litteraly anywhere on the aircraft. Just like p-3 just because its has a bomb bay doesnt mean its the only place to put munitions. And those “5”munitions in the bay which we dont even know if are the only things can each be AZB-84LRs whilst you cant carry remotely as much weight on a f-16. Idk why you have to make everything so black and white theres a difference between a fighter and an MPA in what makes them a “bomber” that you should be able to understand

 

[Yasser76]

Would they? We still wouldn't have J-35s by then (most likely) perhaps one more Squadron of J-10Cs and perhaps Squadron or Two of JF-17s not radically different.

For submarines it ultimately depends if PN is able to establish ormara as their main base and the submarines are able to get out to sea and are able to force the carrier to remain at 600NMs then yeah the carrier advantage will be blunted.

I am betting on J-35 within 2 years. 11 AIP Subs hanging about the Indian Ocean are no joke for sure. If US Carriers where that scared of Iran, imagine how Indias two small rust buckets will behave....

 

[kimjongun]

I am betting on J-35 within 2 years. 11 AIP Subs hanging about the Indian Ocean are no joke for sure. If US Carriers where that scared of Iran, imagine how Indias two small rust buckets will behave....

You genuinely think PN is gonna deploy 11 sub at the same time? most of these wil be under maintenance or not on deployment , it takes money to deploy them and is not a jet that you can fly to do CAS ....

 

[Yasser76]

You genuinely think PN is gonna deploy 11 sub at the same time? most of these wil be under maintenance or not on deployment , it takes money to deploy them and is not a jet that you can fly to do CAS ....

No, I realise we cannot field 11 subs at once, but thanks for patronising me.

In a war surge 11 subs can easily give us 7-8 to field. All AIP and missile equipped. That would be a hard task for the US Navy, let alone the Indians....

 

[Waterboy]

Yeah, you are looking at 5 years out from then. Both PN and PAF will look radically different.

Let us also not forget PN's 8 Hangors lurking around.

Indian carriers are their biggest liability in any conflict....

I am pretty sure hangoors will get bombed before start of any conflict.

Indians have also learned not to give us anymore preparation time.

Next time they'll most probably fire a salvo of brahmos on all strategic assets and try to take them out.

We need underground mountain based sub pens. We have the geography but idk navy is just dwindling their thumbs right now. Also our higher command didn't expect cruise missile and brahmos strikes, indians caught us off guard.

 

[Zarvan]

Kim Jong-un

11 plus 3 August 90, so yes, the majority will be in deployment.

 

[Psyko70]

You genuinely think PN is gonna deploy 11 sub at the same time? most of these wil be under maintenance or not on deployment , it takes money to deploy them and is not a jet that you can fly to do CAS ....

No, I realise we cannot field 11 subs at once, but thanks for patronising me.

In a war surge 11 subs can easily give us 7-8 to field. All AIP and missile equipped. That would be a hard task for the US Navy, let alone the Indians....

11 plus 3 August 90, so yes, the majority will be in deployment.

Hi,

What about our enemy ? How much can they field ?

 

[Yasser76]

Hi,

What about our enemy ? How much can they field ?

As of yet only 6 modern subs, none with AIP, but my point is a carrier in the Indian Ocean with PN subs crawling all over the place is very vulnerable, and then they have to worry about Taimoor now too

 

[Yasser76]

I am pretty sure hangoors will get bombed before start of any conflict.

Indians have also learned not to give us anymore preparation time.

Next time they'll most probably fire a salvo of brahmos on all strategic assets and try to take them out.

We need underground mountain based sub pens. We have the geography but idk navy is just dwindling their thumbs right now. Also our higher command didn't expect cruise missile and brahmos strikes, indians caught us off guard.

Nope, as soon as tensions are very high you can bet all subs will be deployed. PN commanders can also think like you believe it or not....