Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[RescueRanger]

Mickey Mouse says in Disney cartoons: Hey OSCAR! Where are you buddy? You made tall claims today. Give us the details.......

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[RescueRanger]

700 Pakistanis serving in Israeli army? This shocking claim made by a famous Pakistani vlogger. If true, that poses a grave national security threat for Pakistan.

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Please brother, stop listening to this dude...

 

[gamaji]

Please brother, stop listening to this dude...

Got it, bro.

 

[PK781]

To make it an effective, credible fighting force, we need to bring Turkey, Iran and Egypt on board. Establish common training doctrines and standardize equipment, communication, and info sharing protocols.

While i find this a good future prospect perhaps but we have major problems with this:
1. Iran and many of its peoples are still high on the whole "persian empire" thing and do not want to share or contribute but want all for themselves to look great sort of thing. Plus the internal compromise from spies and doubleagents and the country full of mossad networks......its a high security risk at this time

2. Egypt....i understand the genuine muslims and they're somewhat better than others but again the same problem of them being friendly with israel.....how they closed their borders to Gazans is a big flag.....whose side were they on?? How can u trust them if they didnt open their borders to Palestinians? Their country is also having lots of mossad agents and moles.......get rid of those first

3. Turkey would be welcome but we need to establish with KSA first, perfect it and then expand. Turkey would be a natural addition and there is never a doubt about them.

But first, let Pakistan and Saudia establish first and then add more members and countries into the fold........needs to be done carefully to protect everyone while removing any spies and doubleagent and moles internally in all the countries.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

While i find this a good future prospect perhaps but we have major problems with this:
1. Iran and many of its peoples are still high on the whole "persian empire" thing and do not want to share or contribute but want all for themselves to look great sort of thing. Plus the internal compromise from spies and doubleagents and the country full of mossad networks......its a high security risk at this time

2. Egypt....i understand the genuine muslims and they're somewhat better than others but again the same problem of them being friendly with israel.....how they closed their borders to Gazans is a big flag.....whose side were they on?? How can u trust them if they didnt open their borders to Palestinians? Their country is also having lots of mossad agents and moles.......get rid of those first

3. Turkey would be welcome but we need to establish with KSA first, perfect it and then expand. Turkey would be a natural addition and there is never a doubt about them.

But first, let Pakistan and Saudia establish first and then add more members and countries into the fold........needs to be done carefully to protect everyone while removing any spies and doubleagent and moles internally in all the countries.

I would rather prefer Pakistan having individual understandings or agreements separately with each country of interest....

 

[The SC]

I fully agree...instead of giving loans, handouts, subsidized oil, etc...
...it would be far better if KSA gave Pakistan a preferential treatment in terms of providing jobs. KSA has a shortage of manpower for the size of its economy...hence why u see so many ppl from Pakistan, India, Philippines, etc.

...so if part of this defense pact...could prioritize Pakistan...in terms of for example...
- there's a need for 5000 nurses...take them from Pakistan.
- there's a need for 2500 Mechanical Engineers...take them from Pakistan.

This way...it would be the same as getting them from some other country. Wouldn't require any extra money KSA would have to give Pakistan. The companies hiring this labor would pay them...from the profits they gain(as they run their business)...just how any business pays its employees.

KSA has a lot of money and not enough manpower...Pakistan has a lot of manpower and not enough money. This would uplift Pakistan(without handouts) and KSA wouldn't have to give handouts/loans/etc which can fast become tiring and a liability when the corrupt politicians squander it.

@The SC

Very possible..a plan was revealed last year to populate Riyadh with 10 million people..

 

[Vkdindian1]

Therefore Pakistan has applied a check on you. Checkmate is coming soon.

We have heard of these checkmates many times in the past.
When US left Afghanistan, the claims were made of checkmate, sucker punch, slap on the face etc etc. We all know how it turned out.
I don’t believe in such celebrations in geopolitics over few events over just few months.
Be happy, if that is what you think. I would hold my emotions for the time being.

 

[RajaBaja]

If Pak India war broke out all GCC would try act as a peace broker. No money, no weapons. Turkey and China are your best bet. Rest is only lip service.

That's precisely why I don't want this Pak-Saudia defense pact to grow beyond just a few nations, like Pakistan-Saudia-Qatar-Kuwait, etc.

Keep it small because you bring in nations who are now essentially slaves to Indian labor and businessmen, as well as Israeli influence. When time comes for joint action, you don't want them to turn this alliance into another OIC, meet, argue, fight, drink Arabic coffee and say goodbye.

So it's very critical that Pakistan uses this opportunity with KSA to grow itself and create joint projects benefiting both Pakistan and KSA in defense, technology, AI, etc, sectors.

 

[battalion25]

That's precisely why I don't want this Pak-Saudia defense pact to grow beyond just a few nations, like Pakistan-Saudia-Qatar-Kuwait, etc.

Keep it small because you bring in nations who are now essentially slaves to Indian labor and businessmen, as well as Israeli influence. When time comes for joint action, you don't want them to turn this alliance into another OIC, meet, argue, fight, drink Arabic coffee and say goodbye.

So it's very critical that Pakistan uses this opportunity with KSA to grow itself and create joint projects benefiting both Pakistan and KSA in defense, technology, AI, etc, sectors.

I think Egypt, Turkey and Indonesia will join this at some point and already have this kinda of understanding with Pakistan and if they feel threatened they will put pen to paper to activated

 

[RajaBaja]

I think Egypt, Turkey and Indonesia will join this at some point and already have this kinda of understanding with Pakistan and if they feel threatened they will put pen to paper to activated

I know the full list of nations who want to "join". Pakistan doesn't want to go outside of the middle east, so Indonesia, etc, are out. It's logistically not possible for Pakistan. At the end, we aren't USA that we have such a large capacity.

Turkey will more than likely not join. There are big legal issues with NATO's laws and regulations. It is actually better for Turkey to remain in NATO. They can still coordinate, cooperate with Pakistan and KSA and expand their defense industries in partnership. But they won't leave NATO's military umbrella.

Egypt is unhappy with this situation. Both Egypt and Jordan have serious influence from Israel that can damage this alliance. I think these two should keep out. We don't want another OIC. We want a working military alliance focused on both defense industries and economic buildout between KSA and Pakistan.

 

[Cash gk]

We have heard of these checkmates many times in the past.
When US left Afghanistan, the claims were made of checkmate, sucker punch, slap on the face etc etc. We all know how it turned out.
I don’t believe in such celebrations in geopolitics over few events over just few months.
Be happy, if that is what you think. I would hold my emotions for the time being.

The USA is falling like a house of cards. Both the USA and UK were built on the contributions of talented foreign minds—like the CEO of Tesla, the CEO of Google, and many others. If you stop these kinds of talented people from entering your country, you are already stopping innovation. Once, the UK and USA were the top destinations for talented minds, but that era is fading fast.

Their own policies are destroying the very foundations they were built upon. Much of their strength has been fake and unquestionable only because of the enormous power they held. Now, those powers are starting to collapse. Their main method of ruling the world was “divide and rule,” combined with the carrot-and-stick approach. But the rise of China, fueled by relentless innovation, has single-handedly disrupted the infrastructure, power, and influence of America and the UK. Their decline is not slow—it is happening at a strikingly fast pace.
Sporting Israeli unconditionally was the last last act which speed their fall.

 

[tower9]

The KSA Pakistan alliance is a clear sign that Pakistan's status in the world has DRAMATICALLY CHANGED since the moron Modhi decided to attack and inadvertently handed Pakistan a great prize on a silver platter while sending India to irrelevance, humiliation and isolation.

The alliance with KSA shows that Pakistan has credibly become recognized as the most powerful Muslim nation and really the only one that has military independence from the US industrial complex and can also effectively defend itself against Western arms. What a turnaround of events that what precipitated as a joint Indian-Israeli attempt to isolate and besiege Iran and Pakistan together has ended up possibly bringing Pakistani troops to the footsteps of Israel.

In addition to Pakistan's elevated status, these series of events have also solidified the Chinese Pakistan partnership, especially in the military field. Pakistan is strongly integrated with China's military industrial complex and research complex, which is now UNDOUBTEDLY FAR SUPERIOR to the West. Therefore, Pakistan's entry into the Middle East theater also signifies a great opportunity for China to expand its arms sales and military partnerships into a region DESPERATE to counter Israel's aggression. Therefore, the Chinese Pakistani partnership is really becoming a powerful synergy that may massively shift the balance of power in the Muslim world.

On top of all this, Pakistan's close alliance with China also provides China, a non-Muslim state, great credibility in the Muslim world. Just like how you get invited to an exclusive party because you are good friends with someone who is a valued member of that in group, that's another value that Pakistan is providing to China.

It will be interesting to see how things unfold in the next five years. To conclude, I see two major trends.

1. Pakistan will basically emerge as the warrior class and protector of the Muslim world. Pakistan's status will be greatly elevated and it will be more respected by other Muslims. In addition, this will bring great investment into Pakistan and hopefully elevate the country's economic development.

2. The Pakistan China partnership will be brought to a whole other level and truly become one of great mutual benefit to both countries. Pakistan will help pave the way for China to increase it's influence in the Muslim world.

 

[Dalit]

It will be epic.

 

[Vkdindian1]

The USA is falling like a house of cards. Both the USA and UK were built on the contributions of talented foreign minds—like the CEO of Tesla, the CEO of Google, and many others. If you stop these kinds of talented people from entering your country, you are already stopping innovation. Once, the UK and USA were the top destinations for talented minds, but that era is fading fast.

Their own policies are destroying the very foundations they were built upon. Much of their strength has been fake and unquestionable only because of the enormous power they held. Now, those powers are starting to collapse. Their main method of ruling the world was “divide and rule,” combined with the carrot-and-stick approach. But the rise of China, fueled by relentless innovation, has single-handedly disrupted the infrastructure, power, and influence of America and the UK. Their decline is not slow—it is happening at a strikingly fast pace.
Sporting Israeli unconditionally was the last last act which speed their fall.

Fully agree.

These nations seem to be taking a path to self destruction. In any case, history has shown that no power has risen to the top and remained there forever.
The amount of flux right now appears a little confusing. A reorder seems to be taking place.
What moves where and who gains supremacy would be known in few years.
China taking lead of one faction appears certain. US is unlikely to give up that easily.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Fully agree.

These nations seem to be taking a path to self destruction. In any case, history has shown that no power has risen to the top and remained there forever.
The amount of flux right now appears a little confusing. A reorder seems to be taking place.
What moves where and who gains supremacy would be known in few years.
China taking lead of one faction appears certain. US is unlikely to give up that easily.

matter of time, Ind. and US, both are 2 heads of 1 snake!

dont worry, you will align well with USA in due time.