Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

I concede your point that Pakistan cannot fight a war protecting KSA to which the US is a party. So why not discount this rationale entirely and look for some other explanation for the agreement? Even if it is a cementation of the existing military relationship, it presumes Pakistan's role in the ME; it does not rule it out at all. It is clear that the Saudi state sees Pakistan playing some role in the ME. If Pakistan is providing some sort of military deterrence, is that not a role?
So you agree with my main points then. Glad that we have reached an understanding.

Because what are the other possibilities other than the Houthis that I already covered and which Pakistan publicly declined involvement in all the way back in 2015. A conflict that ended several years ago. The US/West did not participate either.

Honestly, as I wrote, I just think this was merely KSA and Pakistani leadership going public about the historical strategic relationship during a turbulent era in the region. I don't think that any status quo has changed.

Pakistan did not aid KSA in Yemen. Is not involved during the latest Iranian Mullah regime attacks (drone and ballistic missiles) on KSA either. Just like KSA is not directly involved in Pakistan's conflicts with the Taliban and India. In fact, from what I am aware of, nobody really is among Muslim nations. As in sending troops and fighting actively alongside Pakistan.

If you ask me, in an ideal world, we would have a Muslim NATO if most Muslim nations were functional and stable - which is sadly not the case for various of reasons.

However nothing should prevent KSA and Pakistan from increasing and strengthening their relationship in particularly economically and militarily and all other relevant spheres.
 
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Utter nonsense. People of Southern Iraq and KSA are exactly the same - confirmed by 100's of DNA tests and the current border is artificial. Just like the other borders in Arabia. In essence all borders are artificial but anyway. Millions of Saudi Arabians and Iraqis have recent relatives across the border - myself included.

I can claim every Arab and Semitic civilization because those are our civilizations. Which we have genetic/ancestral, historical, geographic, cultural, linguistic etc. ties to.
Yeah right buddy, with that logic I am also related to Prophet as we all come from Adam AS so if you go back enough we were all one big family haha

Try again. The Arabized enemy Mullah regime has targeted KSA with over 600 drones and almost 100 ballistic missiles. The reason why hardly anything has been damaged is not some kind of imaginary "Mullah mercy" but due to the strong work of our air defense, soldiers and army.

I already told you the Iranian regime has been an enemy of KSA since 1979 and have aided our enemies for decades as well as meddled opportunistically in numerous war torn Arab countries as well as helped create havoc in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Yemen. They aided the Houthis for 6-7 years who directly targeted our people, soldiers and land.
And have it ever occurred to you why they launch 600 (your claim) drones towards KSA? specifically towards the military bases which Americans were operating from? You are right nothing was damage, but those strikes does indeed leave their mark, what have you done to stop the wars and Genocide in the region?
I mean you really wanna go to the KSA-Iran rivalry? Honestly for me as a Pakistan both of your country has used Islam to spread Political influence and cause trouble for the region, yeah Iranian Mullah's were funding organizations like Hez and Houthis, while your Govt was spreading Wahabism around the region including Afghanistan and Pakistan which caused 80-90k Pakistani's and countless others in the region, I really don't want to go that Sectarian route but you need to stop pretending to be the good guys cause you are not, Like I say that there is one difference between you and Jews is that Jews are Rich & Smart, while your people are just rich.

I do not care about their regime and as I wrote to you chickens are coming home to roost.
Trust me, I am not a Iranian but I can bet that feeling is Mutual. You think you are safe, maybe today but sooner or later your country will be where Iran is today, and as much as I hope that day never come, not because I give a shit about your equally shitty leaders but because the holy sites are there, don't wanna see city of Medina getting bombed while your leaders banging Children on Epstein Island.

You cannot stop the US and Israel either. So what is your point? Nobody seemingly can.
If you can't stop anyone, than why the false bravado ? what's with that we can/will do this or that? If your country or collective GCC is 10% as powerful as you (fanboy)claims here on PDF than why not just tell America that we are not giving you our air space to bomb Iran or other countries in the region. Unless you are telling me that KSA has no control over who use its airspace, like Iraq and Syria ?

KSA and US have been allies before Pakistan was born. You have a problem with that? Is that why you migrated to the same US out of your free will?
Awesome, you want a candy for that? lol was that suppose to hurt my feelings that KSA/USA have been allies, and yet Americans call you names, and hold you responsible for worse Terrorist Attack in American history, not the best Ally are you? They tolerate you because you are useful, more importantly your oil and influence of weaker countries, which include Pakistan. The day you start or even think about selling the oil in any other currency all that older than Pakistan alliance will go out of the window lol

No it is not embarrassing. KSA could have destroyed all of North Yemen but we did not do that because we do not target fellow Arabs and Muslims and Houthis hide among civilians. Besides it is very hard to destroy militias that hide in mountains and caves. You should know since you cannot defeat the Taliban either or even terrorists within Pakistan itself - unlike KSA.
Lol you really think you can destroy all of Yemen? I mean what kind of cheap drugs you are on dude, I mean seriously are you a 16 year old kid? America is 100x more powerful than you with much more powerful weapons and they bombed Afghanistan 20 years and still Taliban survived, Hamas survived in a area of Gaza... you simply can not bombed the entire Yemen, and Again congratulations on learning a very important factor of Insurgency that they hide in Caves and Mountains, that's the whole point Genius, because they don't have standing Armies and command structures like Standard militaries hence the Asymmetric warfare.

You are 100% right on one thing that yes Pakistan could not defeat Taliban, and guess what we can not bombed the whole of Afghanistan because no country can unless they decided to use nukes.

OK, what can you be proud of in your modern history? Losing half of your country (Bangladesh) in a war with your main enemy? At least KSA never lost any territory since 1932. A friendly advice, stop writing utter nonsense constantly and obsessing about KSA and Arabs. You do it constantly - even when not engaging with me. Find some hobby. Arabs are not your enemies, never were and never will be, no matter how many trolls there are on this forum or elsewhere who seem obsessed with us.
Oh wow, was that suppose to hurt my feeling that Pakistan lost East Pakistan and become BD ? lol at least Pakistan fought a war, when was the last time you bunch fought a war? I mean you are embarrassing yourself further, After Iraqi Attack on Kuwait you beg America to come save you, heck even Pakistan was protecting parts of your kingdom lol and even after that for a long time PA troops were stationed in your country, now they were not there for musical concerts right? and even today most of your GCC countries has outsourced your protection to America, if you take that away Iran and its proxies would've B!tch slapped you back into tents. The only reason no one has attacked you because you are rich, and have oil... and specifically America has its bases there, so for as long as you do as you are told by them, your countries will be ok but those who stood or even thought of they got bombed to smithers while you throw your own kin under the bus. The same Iraqi's you are so eager to claim, where were you when they were bombed by America? What happened to your Millions of Arabs ? or Such powerful militaries or Diplomatic influence, couldn't even lift a finger to save Iraq's, Libyans and Palestinians and here talking about Pakistan.

Pakistan fought Soviets (With help), make enemies with America over the issue of Afghanistan, while preparing ourselves for war with a enemy 10 times larger with nukes, while in your region, those 500+ Million Arabs with 20+ countries can't even contain a country which is smaller than a state and population of a 2 cities.

You guys are really so full of yourself, while the region is on fire, innocent people are bombed while your govt actively support the bombing of civilians and you think that we are obsessed with you? Nah dude, we are just calling out the hypocrisy of Arabs and their leaders, just like we called out Iranian Hypocrisy over their double game with India against Pakistan, for us you and Iranians are not much different, both have manipulated dumb Pakistani's to do their bidding, both supported Terrorist groups and ideologies inside Pakistan, while we although not much but tried to help.

in this forum, we appreciate when a country stand with Pakistan, and we call out those who back-stab us directly or indirectly.
 
KSA is completely peaceful and nothing of worth has been touched let alone destroyed. Life continues as normal in every sphere, whether daily life, sports, international events, Umrah, economy etc.

In fact KSA is the biggest beneficiary of this conflict so far.

95% of what is reported on this forum and on X is utter delusional nonsense.

A good example:


Iran has had 10.000's of casualties, their leadership annihilated, 100's of billions of USD in material loses, most of their Air Force and navy annihilated, their missiles severely depleted, 100's of bases targeted and other infrastructure.

KSA in return has lost 2 people (1 Indian and 1 Bangladeshi expat), no material damage whatsoever other than very limited damage in Ras Tanura and Yanbu and nothing of worth destroyed in the Prince Sultan Air Base.

No amount of firecrackers (drones and Russian/Chinese/North Korean origin missiles) is going to change anything of notice in a country like KSA which is 1.5 times the size of Iran.

During the past 3-4 weeks KSA has made more money selling oil than the previous 3 months:



While the Arabized Mullah enemy regime is getting carpet bombed and humiliated in front of the entire world, 1 sovereign wealth fund from KSA (PIF) has within just the span of 12 months earned the equivalent of 3/4 of the entire Iranian GDP.:ROFLMAO:

PIF assets rise to $1.15T​


02/01/2026 Argaam

PIF assets rise to $1.15T

Logo of Public Investment Fund (PIF)

The Public Investment Fund (PIF) ranked fifth among the world’s largest sovereign wealth funds (SWFs), after its net assets amounted to $1.15 trillion, recent data from the SWF Institute showed.

PIF's assets rose by $226 billion from $925 billion by the end of December 2024.


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Ukrainians are probably the most talented and capable people in the world in this regard. Their experience and sharing of intelligence is invaluable. KSA has been a good friend towards Ukraine as well and KSA is trusted by Ukraine.

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Numerous Chinese drones have been made within KSA for years - several local alterations exist as well.

Extremely interesting what our friend Faisal Abbas spoke about concerning the KSA-Ukraine deal of purchasing Ukraine drone technology. Apparently the Ukrainian army has great success stopping Russian drones with drones that cost just 1000 USD to produce. KSA will acquire this technology and in return help Ukraine economically.

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KSA has extensive experience shooting down drones and ballistic missiles - one of the most experienced armies in the world in this regard.

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Mullah regime supporters are living in some alternative universe where they are somehow "winning" by being carpet bombed 24/7.

Zero damage to the US and Israel as well. Less than 20 US and Israeli soldiers killed. It is all a big joke. Targeting infrastructure in tiny Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait and Qatar (extremely limited overall) is some kind of victory now?

Iraqi Sunni Arab insurgents armed with light weaponry, on a good day, used to kill at times, 20 US soldiers, in a single day (sometimes more) during the height of the insurgency. Just to put it into perspective.

It is very hilarious to witness the usual suspects and their usual comedy in this regard. Personally I am having many good laughs reading some of the nonsense here and elsewhere. Long may it continue.

As for wars with Iranians - they are yet to win a single war against Arabs in their entire history - so let us not even go there.


Calm your tits. Iran is humiliating Saudi Arabia who have yet to decide to respond back. Obviously Pakistan doesnt want to get involved so will like Saudi Arabia to be happy as you are now and not activate defence pact.

Smaller GCC states like UAE, Qatar, Bahrain will be ruined if there is no regime change in Iran.
 
Calm your tits. Iran is humiliating Saudi Arabia who have yet to decide to respond back. Obviously Pakistan doesnt want to get involved so will like Saudi Arabia to be happy as you are now and not activate defence pact.

Smaller GCC states like UAE, Qatar, Bahrain will be ruined if there is no regime change in Iran.

Another baseless deluded post:

KSA is completely peaceful and nothing of worth has been touched let alone destroyed. Life continues as normal in every sphere, whether daily life, sports, international events, Umrah, economy etc.

In fact KSA is the biggest beneficiary of this conflict so far.

95% of what is reported on this forum and on X is utter delusional nonsense.

A good example:


Iran has had 10.000's of casualties, their leadership annihilated, 100's of billions of USD in material loses, most of their Air Force and navy annihilated, their missiles severely depleted, 100's of bases targeted and other infrastructure.

KSA in return has lost 2 people (1 Indian and 1 Bangladeshi expat), no material damage whatsoever other than very limited damage in Ras Tanura and Yanbu and nothing of worth destroyed in the Prince Sultan Air Base.

No amount of firecrackers (drones and Russian/Chinese/North Korean origin missiles) is going to change anything of notice in a country like KSA which is 1.5 times the size of Iran.

During the past 3-4 weeks KSA has made more money selling oil than the previous 3 months:



While the Arabized Mullah enemy regime is getting carpet bombed and humiliated in front of the entire world, 1 sovereign wealth fund from KSA (PIF) has within just the span of 12 months earned the equivalent of 3/4 of the entire Iranian GDP.:ROFLMAO:

PIF assets rise to $1.15T​


02/01/2026 Argaam

PIF assets rise to $1.15T

Logo of Public Investment Fund (PIF)

The Public Investment Fund (PIF) ranked fifth among the world’s largest sovereign wealth funds (SWFs), after its net assets amounted to $1.15 trillion, recent data from the SWF Institute showed.

PIF's assets rose by $226 billion from $925 billion by the end of December 2024.


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Ukrainians are probably the most talented and capable people in the world in this regard. Their experience and sharing of intelligence is invaluable. KSA has been a good friend towards Ukraine as well and KSA is trusted by Ukraine.

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Numerous Chinese drones have been made within KSA for years - several local alterations exist as well.

Extremely interesting what our friend Faisal Abbas spoke about concerning the KSA-Ukraine deal of purchasing Ukraine drone technology. Apparently the Ukrainian army has great success stopping Russian drones with drones that cost just 1000 USD to produce. KSA will acquire this technology and in return help Ukraine economically.

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KSA has extensive experience shooting down drones and ballistic missiles - one of the most experienced armies in the world in this regard.

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Mullah regime supporters are living in some alternative universe where they are somehow "winning" by being carpet bombed 24/7.

Zero damage to the US and Israel as well. Less than 20 US and Israeli soldiers killed. It is all a big joke. Targeting infrastructure in tiny Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait and Qatar (extremely limited overall) is some kind of victory now?

Iraqi Sunni Arab insurgents armed with light weaponry, on a good day, used to kill at times, 20 US soldiers, in a single day (sometimes more) during the height of the insurgency. Just to put it into perspective.

It is very hilarious to witness the usual suspects and their usual comedy in this regard. Personally I am having many good laughs reading some of the nonsense here and elsewhere. Long may it continue.

As for wars with Iranians - they are yet to win a single war against Arabs in their entire history - so let us not even go there.
 
Calm your tits. Iran is humiliating Saudi Arabia who have yet to decide to respond back. Obviously Pakistan doesnt want to get involved so will like Saudi Arabia to be happy as you are now and not activate defence pact.

Smaller GCC states like UAE, Qatar, Bahrain will be ruined if there is no regime change in Iran.

Next page:

This is Riyadh (the most targeted region due to the proximity in KSA terms (140 km) of the Prince Sultan Air Base - during this imaginary non-existing war (in the case of KSA):

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Goes for all of KSA - whether the tiniest mountain, desert or coastal village to all the largest cities across the country whether north, south, central, west or east.

This was Abha (close to the North Yemeni border and a city located 2270 meters above sea level) a few days ago:

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Zero noise from the Houthi cult throughout.

Najran which sits right on the North Yemeni border yesterday:

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Reading this forum, it would appear like KSA is somehow facing an imaginary existential crisis 24/7 :ROFLMAO: due to a few drones of which 99% are dealt with successfully. Drones that can barely damage anything of note to begin with.

Lastly if the Iranian regime goal was to remove the US from those small GCC states - they have failed (like usual) once again because regimes there have just publicly announced that their cooperation with the US will just increase after this. What is worse - expect Israel to get a greater foothold and cooperation in places like UAE, Bahrain and even Qatar and potentially Oman. So in other words - the publicly stated goals of the Iranian regime, removal of US and Israeli influence in the region, is now only going to backfire. This is actually a negative for KSA long term but once again wherever the Iranian Mullah regime is present - misery and failure follows.

Most importantly this will further accelerate the integration of the GCC and ultimately give KSA the opportunity to once again swallow up the smaller GCC states all but in name. The Mullah regime have actually given us a helping hand in weakening the Abu Dhabi regime. I predict that this conflict will reduce their ability to conspire against KSA. Attacks on Bahrain have also cemented significant KSA military presence once again. Qatar has been hit hard (their main gas field) further accelerating their dependence on KSA. Kuwait was/is already a KSA colony all but in name as well.

There are also credible reports that KSA and Houthis have reached a comprehensive long-term agreement after the Abu Dhabi regime was removed from Yemen by KSA. This would explain their complete silence. This is good as North Yemenis are our brothers and sisters and we harbor no hatred to the average North Yemenis or vice versa.

Yemen has 50 million people. By 2050 they will have almost 130 million people. KSA and Yemen will merge all but in name as well - reunifying Arabia while being the two motors in this endeavor.

@hydrabadi_arab (are you really of Arab origin, I recall asking you once about this but you never replied):

Some humiliation when most attacks that are carpet bombing the Mullah regime are facilitated and aided from KSA 24/7 . And all the Mullah's can do is fire some useless drones, lol. Some victory. Wait until KSA enters the conflict officially and you will see many Mullah tears. RSAF alone operates around 400 fighter jets (the US 1400) and KSA has 1000's of ballistic missiles with much greater reach and far greater warheads than anything that the Mullah regime has. And unlike KSA, Iranian air space is completely open. Good luck to them trying to shut this down:
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The media in land of these curry munchers has been portraying modi as some big gun, who can end any conflict with one call. They have been televising "modi g ka kara faisla, modi nay iran ko kia phone, ub iran israel yudh khatam honay ko hy" ... "modi g nay thaan li, ub wo apni gandh pani say nai ganga jal say dohay gay". So on and so forth. Now you can understand where this pain stems from.
 
And KSA has 100's of missile bases underground in the enormous mountain ranges and deserts of KSA that are constantly expanding:

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20th February 2025

Riyadh’s silent ballistic-missile surge

While the details surrounding Saudi Arabia’s missile capabilities remain largely elusive, recent satellite imagery indicates the country may be quietly modernising or expanding its ballistic-missile force.

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Saudi Arabia established its long-range surface-to-surface missile capability in the 1980s in response to regional missile proliferation and use, particularly during the Iran–Iraq War, as well as Israel’s demonstrated ability to conduct highly effective long-range aerial strikes. In 1988, Riyadh acquired DF-3 (CH-SS-2) intermediate-range ballistic missiles from China. To support the deployment of these systems, the Royal Saudi Strategic Missile Force (RSSMF) constructed four underground bases at al-Hariq, al-Sulayyil, Raniyah and al-Watah.

While the liquid-propellant DF-3 missiles provided substantial range, their operational limitations were readily apparent even at the time of purchase. The DF-3 required complex and time-consuming launch preparations and its inaccuracy further diminished its operational value. By the 2000s, various sources suggested that Saudi Arabia was seeking to procure more-accurate solid-propellant missiles from China, with later reporting claiming that Saudi Arabia had purchased the DF-21 (CH-SS-5) in 2007. Memorabilia (missile models) associated with the RSSMF also suggest that the country may have acquired missile systems other than the DF-3.

In 2014, Saudia Arabia displayed the DF-3 in public for the first time, sparking speculation that Riyadh might adopt a more open posture regarding its ballistic-missile capabilities. While no such increased openness has followed, geospatial analysis points towards significant development activity related to the RSSMF since the late 2010s.

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A suspected new missile base

Most notably, Saudi Arabia appears to have constructed an underground missile base near the town of al-Nabhaniyah, marking the first new facility built since the 1980s. Construction began in 2019 and appeared to be largely completed by the beginning of 2024, although some tunnel work continued.

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Multiple indicators point to the site’s function as a missile base. The style of the administrative buildings aligns with other known RSSMF facilities, as does the geographical separation between the underground complex and the overground residential and administrative areas. Tunnel entrances follow the same design seen at the RSSMF base at al-Sulayyil, and contractor records confirm the project falls under the purview of the Ministry of Defense. Additionally, RSSMF commander Jarallah Alaluwayt was reported to be in al-Nabhaniyah (engaged in charitable activities) shortly before construction began.

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New facilities at the RSSMF Center and School

New construction is also visible at the RSSMF Center and School in Wadi al-Dawasir. The site includes an approximately 29 metre-tall high-bay building, likely built in the late 1980s to support the DF-3 force, possibly as a training or maintenance facility. In the early 2000s, an approximately 17 metre-tall high-bay building was added, likely linked to the reported acquisition of a newer, more compact missile system. Most recently, between 2019 and 2021, a third large high-bay building was constructed at the site. While its exact function remains unclear, its design and placement suggest it serves an operational or support role within the RSSMF infrastructure.

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Further activities

Similar signs of modernisation or expansion are visible at other RSSMF sites. Two new annexes were constructed at the RSSMF headquarters in Riyadh between 2017 and 2019. In the same time span, the number of covered parking spaces at the headquarters increased from around 511 to 688.

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In the second half of the 2010s, new tunnels were constructed at the RSSMF missile bases in al-Hariq and Raniyah. An additional underground section was also constructed at the al-Sulayyil base between 2019 and 2023.

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Unanswered questions

While the above activities point towards a potential modernisation or expansion of RSSMF capabilities, details about the nature and scope of these developments remain largely elusive. One exception to the general secrecy surrounding the Saudi missile programme was a 2022 report by Intercept. Citing a United States intelligence source, the article claimed that Saudi Arabia was planning new imports of Chinese ballistic missiles under a programme named ‘Crocodile’. While these plans reportedly raised concerns in Washington, their specifics – including whether they were eventually implemented – remain unclear.

Similar uncertainty surrounds Saudi Arabia’s ambitions for the local assembly or manufacturing of ballistic missiles. As part of its broader Vision 2030 agenda, Riyadh has prioritised the development of a domestic defence-industrial base. Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman Al Saud has stressed that at least partial local production will become a binding requirement for all purchases of military hardware. This approach also appears to extend to missile systems. Saudi Arabia is known to have established a solid-propellant motor-production facility at the al-Watah missile base, and US intelligence assessments indicate that it is now producing ballistic missiles with Chinese assistance. Yet details about the specific systems it plans to assemble or manufacture remain unknown.

The secrecy surrounding Saudi Arabia’s ballistic-missile force will likely remain in place unless Riyadh alters its information policy or new information emerges, potentially from the US. The apparent absence of ballistic-missile use in Saudi Arabia’s campaign against Ansarullah (the Houthis) indicates that these systems might serve more as a strategic deterrent than a war-fighting capability. As such, their true role may only come to light in crisis.

AUTHOR​

Fabian Hinz
Research Fellow for Missile Technologies and UAVs

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KSA has shown great restraint and prior to direct attacks on KSA soil - did not allow offensive operations from KSA territory but now that has changed. Next escalation would be direct KSA participation and once that happens many others will follow suit. The Mullah's are desperate and fighting for their survival but they should have thought about all of this instead of spreading their fitnah and cancer in the region since 1979. Now chickens are coming home to roost. And as the pathetic failed, impoverished and sanctioned entity that they are - they have targeted the GCC 6 TIMES more than tiny Israel itself LOL. Yet nothing will change, soon even tiny GCC states might be carpet bombing them as well for a change. Qatar already did their part and reportedly UAE as well.
 
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To the arrogant Saudi.

I wish you were taught about Nawab Sir Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi, Abdullah Alam Rashid and many others and their contributions.

And for the idiot remark "Pakistan military is strong on paper", come and say this when you have faced an enemy 7 times your size and resisted all its malicious designs.

It wasn't Pakistan who went asking for a defense pact. Neither we need your people to come and fight for us.

We remain neutral because, we, unlike you and ayatollahs do not wish infighting and bloodshed of our Muslim brethren, children and sisters.

You needed and continue to need Pakistani trainers.

You were blessed by ALLAH with wealth of oil, not something you achieved out of your own to boast about.

Us ajamis are not safil to have foreign bases for protection on our soil for our protection.

What a disgrace you are to your ancestors.
 
Calm your tits. Iran is humiliating Saudi Arabia who have yet to decide to respond back. Obviously Pakistan doesnt want to get involved so will like Saudi Arabia to be happy as you are now and not activate defence pact.

Smaller GCC states like UAE, Qatar, Bahrain will be ruined if there is no regime change in Iran.

Saudi is showing restrain though. If Saudi joins in it will be really difficult for Iran as well as for Pakistan to not pick sides.

It's not like Saudi has no military. It's capable enough to hurt but they're weighing the cards and options
 
And KSA has 100's of missile bases underground in the enormous mountain ranges and deserts of KSA that are constantly expanding:

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20th February 2025

Riyadh’s silent ballistic-missile surge

While the details surrounding Saudi Arabia’s missile capabilities remain largely elusive, recent satellite imagery indicates the country may be quietly modernising or expanding its ballistic-missile force.

View attachment 154200

Saudi Arabia established its long-range surface-to-surface missile capability in the 1980s in response to regional missile proliferation and use, particularly during the Iran–Iraq War, as well as Israel’s demonstrated ability to conduct highly effective long-range aerial strikes. In 1988, Riyadh acquired DF-3 (CH-SS-2) intermediate-range ballistic missiles from China. To support the deployment of these systems, the Royal Saudi Strategic Missile Force (RSSMF) constructed four underground bases at al-Hariq, al-Sulayyil, Raniyah and al-Watah.

While the liquid-propellant DF-3 missiles provided substantial range, their operational limitations were readily apparent even at the time of purchase. The DF-3 required complex and time-consuming launch preparations and its inaccuracy further diminished its operational value. By the 2000s, various sources suggested that Saudi Arabia was seeking to procure more-accurate solid-propellant missiles from China, with later reporting claiming that Saudi Arabia had purchased the DF-21 (CH-SS-5) in 2007. Memorabilia (missile models) associated with the RSSMF also suggest that the country may have acquired missile systems other than the DF-3.

In 2014, Saudia Arabia displayed the DF-3 in public for the first time, sparking speculation that Riyadh might adopt a more open posture regarding its ballistic-missile capabilities. While no such increased openness has followed, geospatial analysis points towards significant development activity related to the RSSMF since the late 2010s.

map-1_rssmf-facilities_866x770px.png


A suspected new missile base

Most notably, Saudi Arabia appears to have constructed an underground missile base near the town of al-Nabhaniyah, marking the first new facility built since the 1980s. Construction began in 2019 and appeared to be largely completed by the beginning of 2024, although some tunnel work continued.

mb-satellite-image-1_saudi-missile-infrastructure_866x598px.png


Multiple indicators point to the site’s function as a missile base. The style of the administrative buildings aligns with other known RSSMF facilities, as does the geographical separation between the underground complex and the overground residential and administrative areas. Tunnel entrances follow the same design seen at the RSSMF base at al-Sulayyil, and contractor records confirm the project falls under the purview of the Ministry of Defense. Additionally, RSSMF commander Jarallah Alaluwayt was reported to be in al-Nabhaniyah (engaged in charitable activities) shortly before construction began.

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New facilities at the RSSMF Center and School

New construction is also visible at the RSSMF Center and School in Wadi al-Dawasir. The site includes an approximately 29 metre-tall high-bay building, likely built in the late 1980s to support the DF-3 force, possibly as a training or maintenance facility. In the early 2000s, an approximately 17 metre-tall high-bay building was added, likely linked to the reported acquisition of a newer, more compact missile system. Most recently, between 2019 and 2021, a third large high-bay building was constructed at the site. While its exact function remains unclear, its design and placement suggest it serves an operational or support role within the RSSMF infrastructure.

mb-satellite-image-3_saudi-missile-infrastructure_866x630px.png


Further activities

Similar signs of modernisation or expansion are visible at other RSSMF sites. Two new annexes were constructed at the RSSMF headquarters in Riyadh between 2017 and 2019. In the same time span, the number of covered parking spaces at the headquarters increased from around 511 to 688.

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In the second half of the 2010s, new tunnels were constructed at the RSSMF missile bases in al-Hariq and Raniyah. An additional underground section was also constructed at the al-Sulayyil base between 2019 and 2023.

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Unanswered questions

While the above activities point towards a potential modernisation or expansion of RSSMF capabilities, details about the nature and scope of these developments remain largely elusive. One exception to the general secrecy surrounding the Saudi missile programme was a 2022 report by Intercept. Citing a United States intelligence source, the article claimed that Saudi Arabia was planning new imports of Chinese ballistic missiles under a programme named ‘Crocodile’. While these plans reportedly raised concerns in Washington, their specifics – including whether they were eventually implemented – remain unclear.

Similar uncertainty surrounds Saudi Arabia’s ambitions for the local assembly or manufacturing of ballistic missiles. As part of its broader Vision 2030 agenda, Riyadh has prioritised the development of a domestic defence-industrial base. Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman Al Saud has stressed that at least partial local production will become a binding requirement for all purchases of military hardware. This approach also appears to extend to missile systems. Saudi Arabia is known to have established a solid-propellant motor-production facility at the al-Watah missile base, and US intelligence assessments indicate that it is now producing ballistic missiles with Chinese assistance. Yet details about the specific systems it plans to assemble or manufacture remain unknown.

The secrecy surrounding Saudi Arabia’s ballistic-missile force will likely remain in place unless Riyadh alters its information policy or new information emerges, potentially from the US. The apparent absence of ballistic-missile use in Saudi Arabia’s campaign against Ansarullah (the Houthis) indicates that these systems might serve more as a strategic deterrent than a war-fighting capability. As such, their true role may only come to light in crisis.

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Fabian Hinz
Research Fellow for Missile Technologies and UAVs

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KSA has shown great restraint and prior to direct attacks on KSA soil - did not allow offensive operations from KSA territory but now that has changed. Next escalation would be direct KSA participation and once that happens many others will follow suit. The Mullah's are desperate and fighting for their survival but they should have thought about all of this instead of spreading their fitnah and cancer in the region since 1979. Now chickens are coming home to roost. And as the pathetic failed, impoverished and sanctioned entity that they are - they have targeted the GCC 6 TIMES more than tiny Israel itself LOL. Yet nothing will change, soon even tiny GCC states might be carpet bombing them as well for a change. Qatar already did their part and reportedly UAE as well.

A very long read. I have little to add, except that I wouldn't trust DF-3 (CH-SS-2). It's an obsolete system. This first-generation Chinese IRBM definitely has a long range, but also has poor accuracy. It was not designed for conventional strikes, and given its poor accuracy, it cannot perform that task anyway. Could be useful for nuclear strikes, which the Saudis don't have. But given its accuracy problems, I wouldn't trust putting a nuclear warhead on it either. It might just fall somewhere I don't want it to. Also, it might be painstaking to launch this bulky liquid-fuel IRBM. The Chinese appear to have retired or at least placed these missiles in reserves. That said, the solid-fuel DF-21 (CSS-5) could be useful.
 
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This is Riyadh (the most targeted region due to the proximity in KSA terms (140 km) of the Prince Sultan Air Base - during this imaginary non-existing war (in the case of KSA):

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Goes for all of KSA - whether the tiniest mountain, desert or coastal village to all the largest cities across the country whether north, south, central, west or east.

This was Abha (close to the North Yemeni border and a city located 2270 meters above sea level) a few days ago:

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Zero noise from the Houthi cult throughout.

Najran which sits right on the North Yemeni border yesterday:

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Reading this forum, it would appear like KSA is somehow facing an imaginary existential crisis 24/7 :ROFLMAO: due to a few drones of which 99% are dealt with successfully. Drones that can barely damage anything of note to begin with.

Lastly if the Iranian regime goal was to remove the US from those small GCC states - they have failed (like usual) once again because regimes there have just publicly announced that their cooperation with the US will just increase after this. What is worse - expect Israel to get a greater foothold and cooperation in places like UAE, Bahrain and even Qatar and potentially Oman. So in other words - the publicly stated goals of the Iranian regime, removal of US and Israeli influence in the region, is now only going to backfire. This is actually a negative for KSA long term but once again wherever the Iranian Mullah regime is present - misery and failure follows.

Most importantly this will further accelerate the integration of the GCC and ultimately give KSA the opportunity to once again swallow up the smaller GCC states all but in name. The Mullah regime have actually given us a helping hand in weakening the Abu Dhabi regime. I predict that this conflict will reduce their ability to conspire against KSA. Attacks on Bahrain have also cemented significant KSA military presence once again. Qatar has been hit hard (their main gas field) further accelerating their dependence on KSA. Kuwait was/is already a KSA colony all but in name as well.

There are also credible reports that KSA and Houthis have reached a comprehensive long-term agreement after the Abu Dhabi regime was removed from Yemen by KSA. This would explain their complete silence. This is good as North Yemenis are our brothers and sisters and we harbor no hatred to the average North Yemenis or vice versa.

Yemen has 50 million people. By 2050 they will have almost 130 million people. KSA and Yemen will merge all but in name as well - reunifying Arabia while being the two motors in this endeavor.

@hydrabadi_arab (are you really of Arab origin, I recall asking you once about this but you never replied):

Some humiliation when most attacks that are carpet bombing the Mullah regime are facilitated and aided from KSA 24/7 . And all the Mullah's can do is fire some useless drones, lol. Some victory. Wait until KSA enters the conflict officially and you will see many Mullah tears. RSAF alone operates around 400 fighter jets (the US 1400) and KSA has 1000's of ballistic missiles with much greater reach and far greater warheads than anything that the Mullah regime has. And unlike KSA, Iranian air space is completely open. Good luck to them trying to shut this down:
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You know how Saudi Arabia will create detterence and not become a sitting duck in fight between Israel-Iran?

Yep, by hitting Iran back. So far Saudi Arabia is happy with taking hits and being humiliated. The smaller GCC states are even more screwed.

So question you should ask is. Can USA-Israel force regime change and liberate Hormuz? Since its clear you guys are not willing to fight for now.

There is another possibility, USA make a deal and Iranian regime survive. Which will be worse for GCC future.

All else is just noise.

And Iran just need 10% of missile/drone to go through to create havoc on GCC economies. Using 4 interceptor missiles to shotdown 1 shahed drone is unsustainable. AD Economics only work for short conflict that will end up with permanent regime change in Iran. Good luck though.
 
A very long read. I have little to add, except that I wouldn't trust DF-3 (CH-SS-2). It's an obsolete system. This first-generation Chinese IRBM definitely has a long range, but also has poor accuracy. It was not designed for conventional strikes, and given its poor accuracy, it cannot perform that task anyway. Could be useful for nuclear strikes, which the Saudis don't have. But given its accuracy problems, I wouldn't trust putting a nuclear warhead on it either. It might just fall somewhere I don't want it to. Also, it might be painstaking to launch this bulky liquid-fuel IRBM. The Chinese appear to have retired or at least placed these missiles in reserves. That said, the solid-fuel DF-21 (CSS-5) could be useful.
I suggest you read up about the newest ballistic missiles that KSA is producing (since 10-15 years) within KSA itself.

Go visit the section that I linked to on the Arab forum.

You know how Saudi Arabia will create detterence and not become a sitting duck in fight between Israel-Iran?

Yep, by hitting Iran back. So far Saudi Arabia is happy with taking hits and being humiliated. The smaller GCC states are even more screwed.

So question you should ask is. Can USA-Israel force regime change and liberate Hormuz? Since its clear you guys are not willing to fight for now.

There is another possibility, USA make a deal and Iranian regime survive. Which will be worse for GCC future.

All else is just noise.
Troll post. Nothing of value has been hit in KSA by Iran and that is despite KSA facilitating attacks on Iran 24/7. It has been less than 4 weeks. Wait a bit and you will see that KSA will/could easily enter and harm Iran infinitely more than anything that they can do to KSA. The only reason is that KSA has far more to lose because we are not a failed, sanctioned and impoverished entity like Iran.

Iran cannot do anything to KSA other than what they have already done and if the current regime will survive they will be crippled and remain a likely failed, impoverished and sanctioned entity with nothing of worth other than drones (which are a nuisance and nothing else) and a very limited amount of missiles that cannot do much in the greater picture either.
 
You know how Saudi Arabia will create detterence and not become a sitting duck in fight between Israel-Iran?

Yep, by hitting Iran back. So far Saudi Arabia is happy with taking hits and being humiliated. The smaller GCC states are even more screwed.

So question you should ask is. Can USA-Israel force regime change and liberate Hormuz? Since its clear you guys are not willing to fight for now.

There is another possibility, USA make a deal and Iranian regime survive. Which will be worse for GCC future.

All else is just noise.
The moment KSA hits Iran back, Iran would expand its targeting strategy in KSA beyond American military bases and oil production facilities.
 
I suggest you read up about the newest ballistic missiles that KSA is producing (since 10-15 years) within KSA itself.
As someone who has studied ballistic missile proliferation, I find nothing remarkable in KSA's inventory, except for the DF-21, unfortunately.
 
The moment KSA hits Iran back, Iran would expand its targeting strategy in KSA beyond American military bases and oil production facilities.
And? KSA has 100 times the economy, sovereign wealth fund, allies, liquidity, resources to rebuild those facilities which are far greater in numbers, spanning a much larger area and much more modern.

In return KSA can easily destroy all of Iran's outdated oil and gas infrastructure. One tiny island (Kharg) processes 90% of all the oil that Iran exports. Once that happens the Mullah regime will collapse as they will have no money left. Who and how will they rebuild? With what?

KSA has 400 fighter jets (one of the largest and most potent air forces in the world) which can harm Iran more than 100.000 missiles can. The air space of Iran is completely open and is getting degraded by each day. KSA has 10.000's of domestic and foreign drones as well. We are already using and purchasing and copying the cheap Ukrainian drones that have big success with shooting down Russian drones.

KSA has one of the most sophisticated air defenses in the world. What has Iran left? Nothing hence why they are carpet bombed 24/7.

You act like KSA has no cards to play here or any firepower, lol. Even small GCC states can cause tremendous harm to Iran just by using their air power.

As someone who has studied ballistic missile proliferation, I find nothing remarkable in KSA's inventory, except for the DF-21, unfortunately.
You seem clueless about the KSA ballistic missile inventory - most of which is a secret - other than all international reports (CIA and others) confirming that KSA is building the newest versions, including solid fuel ones and domestic ones (copies and derivatives of some of the newest Chinese missiles) courtesy of China. Reports 4-5 years ago in Western/US press already confirmed this openly.

Israeli OSINT accounts, the one that I posted, also confirm constant activity within KSA in this regard (underground ballistic missiles bases scattered across the entire country).

And even the older Chinese missiles that KSA have/have had have to this day far larger ranges and warheads than anything that Iran has. Complete precision is not necessary when using such missiles. If the Mullah regime targets KSA's oil and gas - all bets are off. Those missiles are capable of destroying entire neighborhoods and Iran has nothing to stop such missiles. Not Patriots, no THAAD and the many other systems KSA is using.

Also the strategic depth of KSA is much bigger - we are almost 1.5 times larger than Iran itself.

And that is without saying that KSA has 100 times more allies and far more powerful ones. It would only take a few fatwas and calls from Madinah and Makkah to attract 10.000's of volunteers. I think that KSA could recruit millions of willing people just in Nigeria alone. Not kidding.

Among the 550 million Arabs if just 0.01% joins, that is 55.000 volunteers to put it into perspective.

KSA has allies in Yemen that have standing armies numbering close to 150.000 people. Trained and equipped by KSA. Just across the border.

Anyway I don't hope for any of this (some large scale war) as there are few winners in such wars and many innocent people on both sides will be killed.

However in a perfect world a new sane regime will emerge in Iran so we can have cordial relations like prior to 1979.

Pakistan also had much closer relations with Iran prior to 1979.
 
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