Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

You seem clueless about the KSA ballistic missile inventory - most of which is a secret - other than all international reports (CIA and others) confirming that KSA is building the newest versions, including solid fuel ones and domestic ones (copies and derivatives of some of the newest Chinese missiles) courtesy of China. Reports 4-5 years ago in Western/US press already confirmed this openly.

Israeli OSINT accounts, the one that I posted, also confirm constant activity within KSA in this regard (underground ballistic missiles bases scattered across the entire country).

And even the older Chinese missiles that KSA have/have had have to this day far larger ranges and warheads than anything that Iran has. Complete precision is not necessary when using such missiles. If the Mullah regime targets KSA's oil and gas - all bets are off. Those missiles are capable of destroying entire neighborhoods and Iran has nothing to stop such missiles. Not Patriots, no THAAD and the many other systems KSA is using.

Also the strategic depth of KSA is much bigger - we are almost 1.5 times larger than Iran itself.

And that is without saying that KSA has 100 times more allies and far more powerful ones. It would only take a few fatwas and calls from Madinah and Makkah to attract 10.000's of volunteers. I think that KSA could recruit millions of willing people just in Nigeria alone. Not kidding.

Among the 550 million Arabs if just 0.01% joins, that is 55.000 volunteers to put it into perspective.

KSA has allies in Yemen that have standing armies numbering close to 150.000 people. Trained and equipped by KSA. Just across the border.

Anyway I don't hope for any of this (some large scale war) as there are few winners in such wars and many innocent people on both sides will be killed.

However in a perfect world a new sane regime will emerge in Iran so we can have cordial relations like prior to 1979.

Pakistan also had much closer relations with Iran prior to 1979.

Well, the US did a great mistake to neglect the KSA and only care about Israel.

China has recently received hundred of billions maybe even up to trillion of capital inflow from the gulf region.

It seems the KSA now has put all bets on China, especially on China's high tech and military industrial complex.

The KSA still has nearly unlimited amount of fund, especially with the rising gas price.

China can indeed offer its near top military inventory to the KSA like the Type 055, the Type 093B, the 6th gen aircraft as the cooperation will become long term and tremendous capital support from the gulf countries.
 
Many here seem to think that my dislike and criticism of the Iranian regime and their policies in the region since 1979 is some kind of dislike of ordinary non-hostile Iranians (not the case there are millions of Iranian Arabs and Arabia and South Iran in particular next door have had millennia old ties and close people to people ties - GCC hosts the largest Iranian diaspora in the world - 100.000's of Iranian (Iranian Arabs, Sunni Persians, Lurs, Baloch) have migrated to the GCC and have now since ages assimilated and intermarried and vice vers (millions upon millions of Iranians have Arab or partial Arab ancestry all those black turbans that you see claim direct paternal Arab ancestry from father to son etc - Khomeini, Khameini) - the Safavids that converted Iran forcefully from Sunni to Shia Islam in the 15th century imported a large amount of Shia Arab clerics to convert the Iranian masses - mostly from modern-day Eastern KSA, South Iraq and South Lebanon. Most of the Iranian Shia clergy are descendants of those Arabs that settled in Iran. We are talking about only 10-15 generations.

Iranian Wikipedia users are constantly trying to erase/distort this history


but you can read scholarly articles about this topic. Prior to 1979 many of the Iranian Shia clergy (Ayatollah's etc) were based in the Arab world even. Khomeini for instance - big mistake - he should have been expelled/denied access.

That is why the Mullah regime are this obsessed about the Arab world. This was not the case under the Shah prior to 1979. Here relations were mostly cordial and unlike pro-Pahlavi Iranian diaspora in the West - the Shah was a practicing Muslim who performed Hajj and Umrah numerous times and was buried in Cairo no less.

There is a considerable segment of Iranian society that for the past 1400 years has resented the religious, cultural, linguistic (Farsi is heavily influenced by Arabic - they use the Arabic alphabet with just 4 new characters), ethnical (millions of Arabs live in Iran and many more no longer identity as Arab but have Arab ancestry -.confirmed by every DNA tests) - basically Arabs changed Iran forever 1400 years ago and those changes have lasted for more than half of their recorded history (2/3 almost). So they blame Arabs for everything that has failed within Iran even though the Islam that the Mullah's have imposed on Iran have nothing to do with the Islam that is followed elsewhere. This has created a large amount of anti-Muslim Iranians who hate Islam - something that was very uncommon under the Shah ironically.

After 1979 they started to export their Islamic revolution (considered as heretics by vast majority of the world's Muslims - 90% - hence why they failed anywhere where non-Shias are) by force and by propping up proxies, terrorist proxies and interfering opportunistically in war torn Arab countries. This is how the hostilities began. Like any other revolutionary state they needed to expand. In return KSA/GCC/many Arab states started to fund Saddam against Iran during the 1980-1988 war and since then it has largely been problematic despite more friendly ties (during the Khatami era for instance) or in recent years until this mess started by the US and Israel and Iran.

Any way in many ways you can draw parallels to the China (Arabs) - Japanese (Iran) relations historical. The Japanese too have been influenced by the Chinese on almost every front but they continue to deny it.

You will never find any Arab acting this deranged like this example. I challenge anyone to find anything remotely similar:

Arabs were descendants of Mesopotamia, which are more native in the Middle East compared to Persians.

Persians are mixed of Sintashta/Andronovo (Slavic long lost twin brother from East Europe ) and the Elamites.

A lot of Persians in the west claim they are closer to Europeans than they are to Asian people.

Iran also seems to greatly trust Russia over China, maybe that the Aryan brotherhood among them?
 
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Arabs were descendants of Mesopotamia, which are more native in the Middle East compared to Persians.

Persians are mixed of Sintashta/Andronovo (Slavic long lost twin from East Europe ) and the Elamites.

A lot of Persians in the west claim they are closer to Europeans than they are to Asian people.

Iran also seems to greatly trust Russia over China, maybe that the Aryan brotherhood among them?
Most Iranians (95% +) are natives to the Middle East. Mostly descendants of Neolithic farmers native to the Arab World where the first neolithic cultures emerged in the world.


Natufians are the fathers of the later Anatolian and Iranian plateau Neolithics (Natufian off-spring).

The Andronovo (modern-day Russia and Kazakhstan - steppes) were themselves descendants - largely from Anatolian Neolithics. They left a limited DNA in modern-day Iran. It was mostly linguistic as they were steppe nomads who quickly conquered the settled people.

That is why you have no traces of Elamites today - the real ancestors of most Iranians, in particular Southerns and Westerners. They were a language isolate. Some say that they were related to Dravidians in South Asia.

Most natives of the Iranian Plateau were quickly Persianized by the ruling Indo-Aryan (steppe nomads mostly) ruling dynasties (a tiny minority of overall people).

Turkic speaking Turks (Anatolians) and Semitic speaking Arabs are ironically genetically closer to Europeans as well as geographically closer. But don't tell the Iranians that as many of them are still brainwashed by Shah era "Aryan nonsense" and them being some imaginary cousins of Germans and Swedes. There are many very funny memes online about this but I will not post it out of respect for non-hostile Iranians here.
 
Most Iranians (95% +) are natives to the Middle East. Mostly descendants of Neolithic farmers native to the Arab World where the first neolithic cultures emerged in the world.


Natufians are the fathers of the later Anatolian and Iranian plateau Neolithics (Natufian off-spring).

The Andronovo (modern-day Russia and Kazakhstan - steppes) were themselves descendants - largely from Anatolian Neolithics. They left a limited DNA in modern-day Iran. It was mostly linguistic as they were steppe nomads who quickly conquered the settled people.

That is why you have no traces of Elamites today - the real ancestors of most Iranians, in particular Southerns and Westerners. They were a language isolate. Some say that they were related to Dravidians in South Asia.

Most natives of the Iranian Plateau were quickly Persianized by the ruling Indo-Aryan (steppe nomads mostly) ruling dynasties (a tiny minority of overall people).

Turkic speaking Turks (Anatolians) and Semitic speaking Arabs are ironically genetically closer to Europeans as well as geographically closer. But don't tell the Iranians that as many of them are still brainwashed by Shah era "Aryan nonsense" and them being some imaginary cousins of Germans and Swedes. There are many very funny memes online about this but I will not post it out of respect for non-hostile Iranians here.

Arabs got the haplogroup J which is a brother clade to the haplogroup I (Cro-Magnon).

The Chinese haplogroup O is a downstream offspring clade of the haplogroup K, another brother clade to I and J.

The early haplogroup K in China also looked like having strong Middle East ancestry, and also almost identical to the Cro-Magnon from haplogroup I.

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The Aryans and Native Americans also descended from the haplogroup K in China, but the Aryans back migrated to the West Eurasia, and re-become Caucasoid looking.

While the Chinese stayed in East Eurasia, and kept mixing with the local population and stayed with the eastern looking phenotype.
 
Well, the US did a great mistake to neglect the KSA and only care about Israel.

China has recently received hundred of billions maybe even up to trillion of capital inflow from the gulf region.

It seems the KSA now has put all bets on China, especially on China's high tech and military industrial complex.

The KSA still has nearly unlimited amount of fund, especially with the rising gas price.

China can indeed offer its near top military inventory to the KSA like the Type 055, the Type 093B, the 6th gen aircraft as the cooperation will become long term and tremendous capital support from the gulf countries.
I want to inform you that many of the pledges made by the GCC rulers are nothing more than hot air to please Trump and for him to stop making up trouble for us. KSA/GCC is investing and trading far more with China in the past 10-15 years (KSA's largest trade partner remains China) and that continues to be the case.

KSA/Arabs cannot afford to take sides between China and the US because we have an almost 10.000 long border with Europe next door (who for the past 3000 years have constantly engage with us - positively and negatively) so we cannot ignore them and they are an extension of the US or rather the US is an extension of Europe or was until recently - demographics in the US are changing quickly (Latinos, Blacks etc. - Trump and his likes are a symptom of this reality they want to return to the good old days where most of the US was composed of protestant Anglo-Saxons - unlikely to ever return).

And while China has never hurt us, unlike the US and Europe, we have had cordial historical ties with (trade and civilization ties) and is our most important trade partner today, we are sadly limited by geography unfortunately.

China, due to focusing on reaching parity with the US, is also mostly inward looking and not very much engaged actively in the region. Unlike the US/Europe who has been doing this for the past 200 years in the Arab world. It started with France in Algeria in 1830. Or prior to that Napoleon's conquest o Egypt, albeit short-lived. Ever since this has continued.

In return, due to this meddling, there are now 20-30 million Arabs in Europe and we continue to gain more and more influence by each day.

It has to be said that Arabs also conquered and ruled large parts of Europe for centuries (in fact onger than European presence in the region - even if Roman and Byzantine presence included - several Roman and Byzantine emperors were of Arab origin BTW - including entire dynasties - same thing with many early Popes) and millennia ago the Phoenicians who founded many of the oldest cities in Europe. In short the Mediterranean has acted as a high-way of mutual influence and people to people movements.

We cannot escape this reality and geography just like East Arabia cannot escape the reality of Iran next door for instance. Just as we cannot escape the reality of Horn of Africa and Africa as a whole next door etc.

Arabs got the haplogroup J which is a brother clade to the haplogroup I (Cro-Magnon).

The Chinese haplogroup O is a downstream offspring clade of the haplogroup K, another brother clade to I and J.

The early haplogroup K in China also looked like having strong Middle East ancestry, and also almost identical to the Cro-Magnon from haplogroup I.

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The Aryans and Native Americans also descended from the haplogroup K in China, but they back migrated to the West Eurasia, and re-become Caucasoid looking.

While the Chinese stayed in East Eurasia, and kept mixing with the local population and stayed with the eastern looking phenotype.

Apparently we are all originally from Africa (Horn of Africa) so this makes sense. I also read that the earliest Dravidians and Aboriginals also used the Africa/Arabia route to spread. There are some remnants of Dravidian looking people in Yemen. They have unfortunately historically been discriminated against and at times barred from society. They are a minority on the Galapagos of Asia (Socotra Island). It was one of the most isolated islands in our part of the world and likely served as an early bridge/stopping stage when the first humans migrated from Horn of Africa to the rest of the world.

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Anyway there are new theories and maybe future DNA/scientific studies will change the history from Africa to somewhere else but Africa looks like the main candidate so far. Not seen anything else at least.

Whether we look at major religions or actual science and DNA we are one big family which is why our tribalism is stupid in the wider picture. We inhabit the same tiny little planet in a huge universe. We should be doing much more intelligent things than killing each other again and again.
 
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I want to inform you that many of the pledges made by the GCC rulers are nothing more than hot air to please Trump and for him to stop making up trouble for us. KSA/GCC is investing and trading far more with China in the past 10-15 years (KSA's largest trade partner remains China) and that continues to be the case.

KSA/Arabs cannot afford to take sides between China and the US because we have an almost 10.000 long border with Europe next door (who for the past 3000 years have constantly engage with us - positively and negatively) so we cannot ignore them and they are an extension of the US or rather the US is an extension of Europe or was until recently - demographics in the US are changing quickly (Latinos, Blacks etc. - Trump and his likes are a symptom of this reality they want to return to the good old days where most of the US was composed of protestant Anglo-Saxons - unlikely to ever return).

And while China has never hurt us, unlike the US and Europe, we have had cordial historical ties with (trade and civilization ties) and is our most important trade partner today, we are sadly limited by geography unfortunately.

China, due to focusing on reaching parity with the US, is also mostly inward looking and not very much engaged actively in the region. Unlike the US/Europe who has been doing this for the past 200 years in the Arab world. It started with France in Algeria in 1830. Or prior to that Napoleon's conquest o Egypt, albeit short-lived. Ever since this has continued.

In return, due to this meddling, there are now 20-30 million Arabs in Europe and we continue to gain more and more influence by each day.

It has to be said that Arabs also conquered and ruled large parts of Europe for centuries (in fact onger than European presence in the region - even if Roman and Byzantine presence included - several Roman and Byzantine emperors were of Arab origin BTW - including entire dynasties - same thing with many early Popes) and millennia ago the Phoenicians who founded many of the oldest cities in Europe. In short the Mediterranean has acted as a high-way of mutual influence and people to people movements.

We cannot escape this reality and geography just like East Arabia cannot escape the reality of Iran next door for instance. Just as we cannot escape the reality of Horn of Africa and Africa as a whole next door etc.


Apparently we are all originally from Africa (Horn of Africa) so this makes sense. I also read that the earliest Dravidians and Aboriginals also used the Africa/Arabia route to spread. There are some remnants of Dravidian looking people in Yemen. They have unfortunately historically been discriminated against and at times barred from society. They are a minority on the Galapagos of Asia (Socotra Island). It was one of the most isolated islands in our part of the world and likely served as an early bridge/stopping stage when the first humans migrated from Horn of Africa to the rest of the world.

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Anyway there are new theories and maybe future DNA/scientific studies will change the history from Africa to somewhere else but Africa looks like the main candidate so far. Not seen anything else at least.

Whether we look at major religions or actual science and DNA we are one big family which is why our tribalism is stupid in the wider picture. We inhabit the same tiny little planet in a huge universe. We should be doing much more intelligent things than killing each other again and again.

Indeed, the west especially the US is beastly compared to China, what's why you need to be more careful to deal with them.

But the good thing is the US has been bungled its military operation against Iran to show itself as a paper tiger.

While Iran cannot afford to be at war with 500-600 million Arabs, but now the KSA and the gulf countries can be freed from a weakened USA.

You don't have to be forced to pay their overpriced junks, and can focus to buy the real inexpensive goodies from China.

The US gonna fail the moon landing, and their 6th gen aircraft will most likely never become operational.

Yep, the proto-population was from Africa, but the most significant non-African Y-DNA is IJK, which was from the Middle East.

The J was already existing since the out of Africa era, but the modern Arabs still carry the unmutated version.

The K has mutated into Aryans, Native Americans, Chinese.

The I has been dominated/subjugated by the Aryans.
 
Indeed, the west especially the US is beastly compared to China, what's why you need to be more careful to deal with them.

But the good thing is the US has been bungled its military operation against Iran to show itself as a paper tiger.

While Iran cannot afford to be at war with 500-600 million Arabs, but now the KSA and the gulf countries can be freed from a weakened USA.

You don't have to be forced to pay their overpriced junks, and can focus to buy the real inexpensive goodies from China.

You the US gonna fail the moon landing, and their 6th gen aircraft will most likely never become operational.

Yep, the proto-population was from Africa, but the most significant non-African Y-DNA is IJK, which was from the Middle East.

The J was already existing since the out of Africa era, but the modern Arabs still carry the unmutated version.

The K has mutated into Aryans, Native Americans, Chinese.

The I has been dominated/subjugated by the Aryans.
Just to be precise, my dislike of the current Iranian regime is due to their activities in the Arab world since 1979 and at times direct hostility towards KSA. It has nothing to do with them being against Israel (which almost every single Arab is regardless of political or religious outlook - ironically 20% of Israel is made up by Palestinian Arabs and 2/3 of all Israeli Jews are originally Arab Jews or partial Arab Jews). US policy in the region is also problematic - evidence of their blind support for Israel. At the same time it cannot be denied that KSA/GCC and other Arab states have enjoyed material and people gains from this relationship. In other words it is a double-edged sword.

In an ideal world the Iranian regime would have reigned their harmful regional policy in (which ironically only gave local rulers more initiative to invite the US - if you notice the small GCC states have already publicly stated that they will strengthen ties with the US as a consequence of recent events - the exact opposite of what the claimed goal of the Iranian regime is) and none of this would have occurred.

It is strange because prior to 1979 Iran was the main ally of the US and Israel in the region. They were being propped up heavily by the US and Israel because they were a border state with the USSR (modern-day Turkmenistan was a part of the USSR) which is why they were a frontier state against the Communists/Warsaw Pact.

Most Iranains also want close ties with the West/US and like the West in general. More than most ordinary Arabs do in fact. Recent events might change this a bit but you only need to look at the behavior of the Iranian diaspora in the West. You would never see such scenes among Arabs by large. Blind worship of the West and Israel, support for attacks on your own country etc.

Looking at it from the outside, Iranians seem like incredibly divided people. Some of the most pro-West/Israel lot you can ever find in the region.

Even today you have their president saying one thing in public and elements within the IRGC doing something completely different.

It looks like the Chinese never fully trusted the Iranians either.

They also had/have this strange thing with India - allowing direct Indian involvement in Chabahar.

Over 100 Iranain sailors killed in the waters off Sri Lanka after visiting India for an exercise and the Indians did everything to appease the West/Israel/USA. Yet Iran did not utter a word against India. Same India that is an open close ally with Israel (that is bombing Iran 24/7) and hosting US installations.

Yet they are attacking tiny GCC states with drones and ballistic missiles (mostly harmless and most shut down - anyway a clear nuisance obviously) and have attacked the GCC 6 times as much as Israel itself.

Thank you for the additional information. I was once more into this DNA/Haplogroup stuff but I lost interest some 10 years ago and only follow the headlines nowadays and obviously know/recall the old knowledge that seems to not have changed by much. However we might discover more in the future so not everything is set in stone, I guess.
 
Just to be precise, my dislike of the current Iranian regime is due to their activities in the Arab world since 1979 and at times direct hostility towards KSA. It has nothing to do with them being against Israel (which almost every single Arab is regardless of political or religious outlook - ironically 20% of Israel is made up by Palestinian Arabs and 2/3 of all Israeli Jews are originally Arab Jews or partial Arab Jews). US policy in the region is also problematic - evidence of their blind support for Israel. At the same time it cannot be denied that KSA/GCC and other Arab states have enjoyed material and people gains from this relationship. In other words it is a double-edged sword.

In an ideal world the Iranian regime would have reigned their harmful regional policy in (which ironically only gave local rulers more initiative to invite the US - if you notice the small GCC states have already publicly stated that they will strengthen ties with the US as a consequence of recent events - the exact opposite of what the claimed goal of the Iranian regime is) and none of this would have occurred.

It is strange because prior to 1979 Iran was the main ally of the US and Israel in the region. They were being propped up heavily by the US and Israel because they were a border state with the USSR (modern-day Turkmenistan was a part of the USSR) which is why they were a frontier state against the Communists/Warsaw Pact.

Most Iranains also want close ties with the West/US and like the West in general. More than most ordinary Arabs do in fact. Recent events might change this a bit but you only need to look at the behavior of the Iranian diaspora in the West. You would never see such scenes among Arabs by large. Blind worship of the West and Israel, support for attacks on your own country etc.

Looking at it from the outside, Iranians seem like incredibly divided people. Some of the most pro-West/Israel lot you can ever find in the region.

Even today you have their president saying one thing in public and elements within the IRGC doing something completely different.

It looks like the Chinese never fully trusted the Iranians either.

They also had/have this strange thing with India - allowing direct Indian involvement in Chabahar.

Over 100 Iranain sailors killed in the waters off Sri Lanka after visiting India for an exercise and the Indians did everything to appease the West/Israel/USA. Yet Iran did not utter a word against India. Same India that is an open close ally with Israel (that is bombing Iran 24/7) and hosting US installations.

Yet they are attacking tiny GCC states with drones and ballistic missiles (mostly harmless and most shut down - anyway a clear nuisance obviously) and have attacked the GCC 6 times as much as Israel itself.

Thank you for the additional information. I was once more into this DNA/Haplogroup stuff but I lost interest some 10 years ago and only follow the headlines nowadays and obviously know/recall the old knowledge that seems to not have changed by much. However we might discover more in the future so not everything is set in stone, I guess.

Yep, the situation gonna be remained complicated.

In a post-US Middle East, Iran (even with the current regime) will ally with Russia, and probably mend the relationship with Europe as the US global influence has become much weaker than now.

China and Iran only have the common interests to kick the US out of the Middle East, but most Chinese like me have always a feeling that most Iranians (the pro-west and anti-west ones) don't like China.

The capital inflow from the gulf region into China's high tech and military industrial complex sectors have expediting China's absolute dominance over the US, which gonna also insecure its own future security from the west.

Also, the western countries are fully turning into right-wing, and even without a superpower US, they might seek future alliance with Russia as the common white Christian brotherhood.

They are anti-zionism, and might seek Iran to become one of them by using the Aryan brotherhood, since most Iranians will fall for it.
 
ZIOs and US will never strike Saudi Arabia is an ally. So who is the threat Saudis needed a defensive pact with the Pakistans. When there are bases and thousands of US TROOPS and logistics stationed In Saudi Arabia 😊
 
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Yes, indeed. I think that we will likely see a Venezuela like US/Israel installed coup in Iran. US/Israel will accept the new Iranian leadership under certain conditions and with an Iran largely aligned with the US/West again. In return they will get sanctions relief and US/Western firms will "invest" (buy up) many Iranian assets. This way most Iranians will be happy with the new Iranian regime = most ordinary people do not care about geopolitics they just want stability - economic in particular and safety. They will get that in such an arrangement.

US involvement in the region started due to the discovery of oil and gas. Ironically the British found oil first in Iran. Later locals and the West started searching in next door Iraq and Arabia.

Anyway Iran has a far more bloody/unfortunate history with the West than people in Arabia who were never impacted this negatively:

They lost half of their population in 1917 due to British/Western actions.


Once again during the Soviet and British occupation of Iran:


Then you had them installing the Pahlavi regime/dynasty in 1925.

Then the removal of Mossadegh in 1953.


So they have reason to dislike the West.

Compare this with KSA. Not really much to compare with.

Also have in mind that US presence (military) in the region started due to our own Arab foolishness.

Saddam invaded Kuwait and wanted to invade rest of Eastern Arabia to size all the oil and gas. This would never have been allowed by the US/World so they took him out and probably manipulated him into invading Kuwait, thinking that he would not be harmed and that the US would not care about internal Arab affairs.

This cemented their presence. 10 years later 9/11 occurred and then you had the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Later came the Arab spring (started in Tunisia) which spread mostly to Egypt, Yemen, Sudan and Syria. Afterwards you had the rise of Daesh.

In the meantime you had events in Palestine, Hezbollah and Israeli shenanigans.

KSA/GCC had to navigate in this mess being right in the middle of this mess and one of the few safe heavens in the region. All with rapidly growing young populations and oil/economic reforms.

Look at KSA. Within 10 years completely transformed on every sphere - mostly for the better. Was unthinkable until recently.

Now you have this mess with Iran.

Lastly many of the small GCC states invited the US and others into their countries in order to protect themselves from KSA because they feared/fear KSA annexing them. Don't forget that most of those small GCC states were historically always a part of ancient civilizations, cultures, caliphates, empires, kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, imamates, sheikdoms ruled by people from modern-day KSA or based in modern-day KSA. Most of the ruling dynasties of those small GCC states are originally from KSA. Goes for Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, many of the 7 UAE emirates. The only exception is the ruling Ibadi Omani royal dynasty which claims Yemeni origin.
Unlikely regime change will succeed. Iran is holding the line and certainly giving a pummeling to gulf and Israel to increase costs of war.
 
ZIOs and US will never strike Saudis Arabia is an ally. So my question is who exactly was this defence pact meant for


Unlike most Arab and Muslim states KSA has never recognized Israel to date since 1948. We went to war with Israel twice and were behind the Arab oil embargo which was the greatest economic attack on Israel and the West in modern history.

Israeli officials are constantly agitating against KSA. They are allied with UAE (Abu Dhabi regime) and doing their bidding. KSA stopped them and removed them from Yemen earlier this year, stopped their Somaliland project (KSA and Somalia have increased cooperation tenfold and Somalia has allowed for an Saudi Arabian naval base in Somalia) and KSA is also supporting the Sudanese government next door against the Abu Dhabi aligned RSF which Israel also supports.

Even in Libya, KSA is moving closer and closer to Tripoli rather than previously Benghazi because Hafter is becoming more and more of an Israeli asset.

Most of the territory of the imaginary "Greater Israel" is found within KSA. Israelis/Jews (radical Jews in particular) are still angry that Arabia (what is modern-day KSA) kicked out most Jews and defeated them.

They are also angry that numerous of their so-called Jewish dynasties and most famous Jewish kings were nothing else than Arabians (Hejazis) from modern-day KSA - (Nabateans, Edomites) such as Herod the Great.


Herod was born around 72 BCE<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#cite_note-12"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#cite_note-FOOTNOTESteinmann2011219–256-13"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a> in Idumea, south of Judea. He was the second son of Antipater the Idumaean, a high-ranking official under ethnarch Hyrcanus II, and Cypros, a Nabatean Arab princess from Petra, in present-day Jordan. Herod's father was by descent an Edomite; his ancestors had been forcibly converted to Judaism. Herod was raised as a Jew.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod..._origin,_although_he_was_a_practicing_Jew"-14"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#cite_note-15"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#cite_note-16"><span>[</span>15<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#cite_note-FOOTNOTELosch2008155-17"><span>[</span>16<span>]</span></a> Strabo, a contemporary of Herod, held that the Idumaeans, whom he identified as of Nabataean origin, constituted the majority of the population of western Judea, where they commingled with the Judaeans and adopted their customs.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#cite_note-18"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></a> This is a view shared also by some modern scholarly works which consider Idumaeans to be either Arab or Nabataean in origin.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#cite_note-FOOTNOTE''Britannica''-19"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#cite_note-FOOTNOTERetsö2013487-20"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#cite_note-21"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#cite_note-22"><span>[</span>21<span>]</span></a> Thus, Herod's ethnic background was Arab on both sides of his family.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod..._origin,_although_he_was_a_practicing_Jew"-23"><span>[</span>22<span>]</span></a> According to Josephus, Herod was a descendant of Eleazar Maccabeus (Auran) of the Hasmoneans.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great#cite_note-24"><span>[</span>23<span>]</span></a>

The Israelis (Jewish Europeans) needed the Yemeni Jews to teach them real Hebrew and traditional Judaism as they were keeping the old traditions most alive.

You are ignorant as usual and obsessed about Arabs. And I believe that you are in your 50's which is frightening. No offense.

So far KSA has shown great restraint against Iran and not attacked Iran directly despite KSA easily being able to cripple/harm Iran greatly. That is due to the fact that KSA leadership knows very well that Israel would love for Arabs and Iranians to destroy each other. At the same time KSA cannot ignore recent events forever.

Last time I checked when Iran attacked Pakistan with missiles Pakistan replied. By your logic Pakistan was nothing more than an Israeli ally when it did that. The logic of a 5 year old.
 
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Yes, indeed. I think that we will likely see a Venezuela like US/Israel installed coup in Iran. US/Israel will accept the new Iranian leadership under certain conditions and with an Iran largely aligned with the US/West again. In return they will get sanctions relief and US/Western firms will "invest" (buy up) many Iranian assets. This way most Iranians will be happy with the new Iranian regime = most ordinary people do not care about geopolitics they just want stability - economic in particular and safety. They will get that in such an arrangement.

US involvement in the region started due to the discovery of oil and gas. Ironically the British found oil first in Iran. Later locals and the West started searching in next door Iraq and Arabia.

Anyway Iran has a far more bloody/unfortunate history with the West than people in Arabia who were never impacted this negatively:

They lost half of their population in 1917 due to British/Western actions.


Once again during the Soviet and British occupation of Iran:


Then you had them installing the Pahlavi regime/dynasty in 1925.

Then the removal of Mossadegh in 1953.


So they have reason to dislike the West.

Compare this with KSA. Not really much to compare with.

Also have in mind that US presence (military) in the region started due to our own Arab foolishness.

Saddam invaded Kuwait and wanted to invade rest of Eastern Arabia to size all the oil and gas. This would never have been allowed by the US/World so they took him out and probably manipulated him into invading Kuwait, thinking that he would not be harmed and that the US would not care about internal Arab affairs.

This cemented their presence. 10 years later 9/11 occurred and then you had the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Later came the Arab spring (started in Tunisia) which spread mostly to Egypt, Yemen, Sudan and Syria. Afterwards you had the rise of Daesh.

In the meantime you had events in Palestine, Hezbollah and Israeli shenanigans.

KSA/GCC had to navigate in this mess being right in the middle of this mess and one of the few safe heavens in the region. All with rapidly growing young populations and oil/economic reforms.

Look at KSA. Within 10 years completely transformed on every sphere - mostly for the better. Was unthinkable until recently.

Now you have this mess with Iran.

Lastly many of the small GCC states invited the US and others into their countries in order to protect themselves from KSA because they feared/fear KSA annexing them. Don't forget that most of those small GCC states were historically always a part of ancient civilizations, cultures, caliphates, empires, kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, imamates, sheikdoms ruled by people from modern-day KSA or based in modern-day KSA. Most of the ruling dynasties of those small GCC states are originally from KSA. Goes for Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, many of the 7 UAE emirates. The only exception is the ruling Ibadi Omani royal dynasty which claims Yemeni origin.

Yep, Arabs think how to subvert the west, while most Iranians want to be integrated into the west.

However, as I mentioned that the west europe is turning into far right-wing when they are turning into batsh1t crazy by seeing the permanent change of the demography in europe.

The superpower USA means the strong bastion to protect the white people, if the US is no longer existing, they might put all their bet on Russia as the new bastion for the white people, and just see what Tucker Carlson has said.

Those non-Zionist MAGA believes that the Zionists are their internal parasites/enemies for ruining the great western/white civilization, but the biggest external enemy will forever be China.

And they cannot tolerate China to become stronger than any white superpower in the history.

But as the US has been sabotaged by the Zionism, they are poised to lose the competition against China.

A western alliance with Russia to replace the US gonna become so much weaker against China.

The US was great because of so many great Chinese scientists working for them (e.g. Boeing's first leading engineer was Chinese, and many Chinese scientists have involved in the Manhattan project), but white men will always avoid to give the Chinese too much credit.

With Russia on the lead, most US elite Chinese scientists/engineers will return to serve for China, not for the Europe and Russia.
 
Yep, the situation gonna be remained complicated.

In a post-US Middle East, Iran (even with the current regime) will ally with Russia, and probably mend the relationship with Europe as the US global influence has become much weaker than now.

China and Iran only have the common interests to kick the US out of the Middle East, but most Chinese like me have always a feeling that most Iranians (the pro-west and anti-west ones) don't like China.

The capital inflow from the gulf region into China's high tech and military industrial complex sectors have expediting China's absolute dominance over the US, which gonna also insecure its own future security from the west.

Also, the western countries are fully turning into right-wing, and even without a superpower US, they might seek future alliance with Russia as the common white Christian brotherhood.

They are anti-zionism, and might seek Iran to become one of them by using the Aryan brotherhood, since most Iranians will fall for it.

Yes, indeed. I think that we will likely see a Venezuela like US/Israel installed coup in Iran. US/Israel will accept the new Iranian leadership under certain conditions and with an Iran largely aligned with the US/West again. In return they will get sanctions relief and US/Western firms will "invest" (buy up) many Iranian assets. This way most Iranians will be happy with the new Iranian regime = most ordinary people do not care about geopolitics they just want stability - economic in particular and safety. They will get that in such an arrangement.

US involvement in the region started due to the discovery of oil and gas. Ironically the British found oil first in Iran. Later locals and the West started searching in next door Iraq and Arabia.

Anyway Iran has a far more bloody/unfortunate history with the West than people in Arabia who were never impacted this negatively:

They lost half of their population in 1917 due to British/Western actions.


Once again during the Soviet and British occupation of Iran:


Then you had them installing the Pahlavi regime/dynasty in 1925.

Then the removal of Mossadegh in 1953.


So they have reason to dislike the West.

Compare this with KSA. Not really much to compare with.

Also have in mind that US presence (military) in the region started due to our own Arab foolishness.

Saddam invaded Kuwait and wanted to invade rest of Eastern Arabia to size all the oil and gas. This would never have been allowed by the US/World so they took him out and probably manipulated him into invading Kuwait, thinking that he would not be harmed and that the US would not care about internal Arab affairs.

This cemented their presence. 10 years later 9/11 occurred and then you had the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Later came the Arab spring (started in Tunisia) which spread mostly to Egypt, Yemen, Sudan and Syria. Afterwards you had the rise of Daesh.

In the meantime you had events in Palestine, Hezbollah and Israeli shenanigans.

KSA/GCC had to navigate in this mess being right in the middle of this mess and one of the few safe heavens in the region. All with rapidly growing young populations and oil/economic reforms.

Look at KSA. Within 10 years completely transformed on every sphere - mostly for the better. Was unthinkable until recently.

Now you have this mess with Iran.

Lastly many of the small GCC states invited the US and others into their countries in order to protect themselves from KSA because they feared/fear KSA annexing them. Don't forget that most of those small GCC states were historically always a part of ancient civilizations, cultures, caliphates, empires, kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, imamates, sheikdoms ruled by people from modern-day KSA or based in modern-day KSA. Most of the ruling dynasties of those small GCC states are originally from KSA. Goes for Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, many of the 7 UAE emirates. The only exception is the ruling Ibadi Omani royal dynasty which claims Yemeni origin.


Yep, Arabs think how to subvert the west, while most Iranians want to be integrated into the west.

However, as I mentioned that the west europe is turning into far right-wing when they are turning into batsh1t crazy by seeing the permanent change of the demography in europe.

The superpower USA means the strong bastion to protect the white people, if the US is no longer existing, they might put all their bet on Russia as the new bastion for the white people, and just see what Tucker Carlson has said.

Those non-Zionist MAGA believes that the Zionists are their internal parasites/enemies for ruining the great western/white civilization, but the biggest external enemy will forever be China.

And they cannot tolerate China to become stronger than any white superpower in the history.

But as the US has been sabotaged by the Zionism, they are poised to lose the competition against China.

A western alliance with Russia to replace the US gonna become so much weaker against China.

The US was great because of so many great Chinese scientists working for them (e.g. Boeing's first leading engineer was Chinese, and many Chinese scientists have involved in the Manhattan project), but white men will always avoid to give the Chinese too much credit.

With Russia on the lead, most US elite Chinese scientists/engineers will return to serve for China, not for the Europe and Russia.

Since the Sino-USSR split, Russia is not really a genuine ally of China and vice versa. Russia at its core is an European country. 90% of the population is that. Their language, religion, culture, outlook on life etc. The only difference is that they are a transcontinental country with their own unique history that separates them from Europe. However Russian elites, Putin included, views himself as a European. The entire ruling oligarchy, many of them Jewish ironically, are also firmly aligned with the West. Look at where they have stored almost all of their wealth, investments etc.

I think that it will just be a question of time (Putin will not rule forever and you cannot escape history and geography and your own origin) before Russia returns to the West/Europe. The only reason why they were divided where ideological (political) due to the Russian revolution in 1917. From 1991 until early 2000's Russia even wanted to join NATO. The US was not interested in that as were many Eastern European nations who lobbied against it due to historical fears of Russia. Putin did not take this rejection lightly (famous Munich speech in 2008) and rest (mostly Ukraine - Crimea since 2014) is history.

As for China, if I was a Chinese, I would continue the inward looking policy and focus on reaching parity with the US. Also personally I would work towards some kind of East Asian unity with Koreans and Japanese and somehow try to tempt them away from the US sphere/orbit but I know that there is some terrible historical distrust that makes the Arab-Iranian conflict a joke largely. I am here specifically talking about the many horrific war crimes that the Japanese did against China and the Chinese people.

However at one point in time you need to move on and form some kind of East Asian bloc. You are similar people in most ways as you already know. Same can be said about us Middle Easterners/West Asians regardless of ethnicity.
 
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Since the Sino-USSR split, Russia is not really a genuine ally of China and vice versa. Russia at its core is an European country. 90% of the population is that. Their language, religion, culture, outlook on life etc. The only difference is that they are a transcontinental country with their own unique history that separates them from Europe. However Russian elites, Putin included, views himself as a European. The entire ruling oligarchy, many of them Jewish ironically, are also firmly aligned with the West. Look at where they have stored almost all of their wealth, investments etc.

I think that it will just be a question of time before Russia returns to the West/Europe. The only reason why they were divided where ideological (political) due to the Russian revolution in 1917. From 1991 until early 2000's Russia even wanted to join NATO. The US was not interested in that as were many Eastern European nations who lobbied against it due to historical fears of Russia. Putin did not take this rejection lightly (famous Munich speech in 2008) and rest (mostly Ukraine - Crimea since 2014) is history.

Russia always dreams to replace the US to become the only bastion for the white civilization, and the goal remains the same for Tsarist Empire/USSR/Russian federation.

Only the US can be the white bastion because they have the ability to steal so many talents from China to keep China weakened.

Some Zionists also put their bet on Russia because they don't want to put all eggs in one basket.

The US doesn't want Russia join the western alliance, because they don't want to create a competitor inside their camp.

However, if the US no-longer exists, the European right-wing and American MAGA will beg Russia to replace the US as their new bastion for the white race.
 
Russia always dreams to replace the US to become the only bastion for the white civilization, and the goal remains the same for Tsarist Empire/USSR/Russian federation.

Only the US can be the white bastion because they have the ability to steal so many talents from China to keep China weakened.

Some Zionists also put their bet on Russia because they don't want to put all eggs in one basket.

The US doesn't want Russia join the western alliance, because they don't want to create a competitor inside their camp.

However, if the US no-longer exists, the European right-wing and American MAGA will beg Russia to replace the US as their new bastion for the white race.
Correct me if I am wrong but almost all of Russia's Asian territory (vast majority of modern day Russia) was recently annexed, conquered and settled, last 300-400 years, by Russians. The locals of Siberia, Far East Russia, I believe, were cousins to the Chinese/Koreans. I believe that they annexed some historical lands inhabited by Koreans, Manchus, Mongols and lands previously controlled by Chinese imperial dynasties or previous Chinese buffer zones.

Chinese and Koreans even teamed up against them one time:


Similarly the supposed Russian ally of Iran, Russia, has given Iran numerous severe beatings and permanently taken much of the land that they used to control (parts of Caucasus). In fact, as I wrote, the Russians invaded and occupied Iran as lately as WW2. Given rise to the famine between 1942-1943. Now they are supposedly "best buddies".

What we can learn from history is that everyone is looking out for their own interests (few select ones rather than the collective) and that alliances and enmities change.

Ironically I have no doubt that a new Iranian regime and KSA would be great allies/partners. Whenever Saudi Arabians and Iranians interact (people to people) we mostly seem to get along rather well contrary to what media/outsiders would like you to think. We are more similar than we would like (many Iranians in particular for the reasons that I previously stated in this thread) to admit.

Anyway I have to go, nice/good talking to you as always. Take care and I am personally happy that KSA and China have great ties and are evolving them into strategic ties. Some select regions within KSA have even made Mandarin mandatory along with Arabic and English so we will have more future Arab/KSA-Chinese interactions for the benefit of us both, I hope. I hope/wish for peace in our region and East Asia and the world as a whole. Humanity should pursue much more important endeavors than silly tribal wars (which all of those conflicts really are at the end of the day - nothing has changed since 10.000 years ago - only the weaponry and politics/identities).

Saudi Arabian and Chinese cooperation in places like KAUST (scientific cooperation) is a perfect example of this. Who would have thought this just 50 years ago - that Saudi Arabian and Chinese professors would be working side by side on innovative new technologies and trying to make a positive difference? Not something that my father's generation would have ever imagined - I guess.

I would want to see that occurring with fellow Arabs, Muslims, Africans, Westerners and heck even Jews/Israelis once peace emerges. The older I get the less interested I am becoming in those tribal wars by large. Even more so after having several children of my own. Still prone to the occasional tribalism myself, we all are, after all we live largely through our identities, but technology and the new world that is emerging is slowly changing this for all of us. We either adopt or perish.

@ChineseTiger1986.
 
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